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This is NOT Camerons fault !!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by so-long-Ricky, Dec 9, 2007.

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  1. so-long-Ricky

    so-long-Ricky New Member

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    Granted, the Fins are having a God awful season but to place the blame on Cameron is rediculous. He took over a team that didn't have a chance because of past coaches Saban and Wanny and GM Mueller.

    All anyone has to do is look over the Fins past drafts going back to 2000. That simply explains it all.

    2000
    Todd Wade - no longer with team
    Ben Kelly - no longer with team
    Deon Dyer - no longer with team
    Arturo Freeman - no longer with team
    Ernest Grant - no longer with team
    Jim Drunkonmiller (trade for a draft pick) - no longer with team
    Jeff Harris - no longer with team
    Note: no 1st round pick due to a JJ trade up the year before (to get Surtain, who is no longer with the team)

    2001
    Jamar Fletcher - no longer with team
    Chris Chambers - no longer with the team
    Travis Minor - no longer with team
    Morlon Greenwood - no longer with team
    Shawn Draper - no longer with team
    Brandon Whiney - no longer with team
    Josh Heupel - no longer with team
    Otis Levrette - no longer with team
    Rick Crowell - no longer with team
    Alonzo Mayes (trade for a draft pick) - no longer with team
    Matt Turk (trade for a draft pick) - no longer with team

    2002
    Seth McKinney - no longer with team
    Randy McMichael - no longer with team
    Omare Lowe - no longer with team
    Sam Simmons - no longer with team
    Cade McNown (trade for a draft pick) - no longer with team
    Jeff Ogden (trade for a draft pick) - no longer with team
    Leonard Henry - no longer with team
    Note: no 1st round pick due to the Ricky Williams trade
    Note: no 2nd round pick due to a trade up in 2001

    2003
    Eddie Moore - no longer with team
    Wade Smith - no longer with team
    Taylor Whitley - no longer with team
    Donald Lee - no longer with team
    JR Tolver - no longer with team
    Corey Jenkins - no longer with team
    Tim Provost - no longer with team
    Yeremiah Bell - on injured reserve
    Sage Rosenfels (trade for draft pick) no longer with team
    Davern Williams - no longer with team
    Note: no 1st round pick due to the Ricky Williams trade

    2004
    vernon Carey - starting left tackle
    Will Poole - no longer with team
    Tony Bua - no longer with team
    Rex Hadnot - starting guard
    Tony Pape - no longer with team
    Derrick Pope - decent reserve

    2005
    Ronnie Brown - solid starter
    AJ Feeley (trade) - no longer with team
    Matt Roth - solid starter
    Lamar Gordon (trade) - no longer with team
    Channing Crowder - solid starter
    Travis Daniels - decent reserve
    Anthony Alabi - decent reserve
    David Boston (trade)- no longer with team
    Kevin Vickerson - no longer with team

    2006
    Jason Allen - might just as well not be here for as invisible as he is
    Daunte Culpepper (trade) - no longer with team
    Derek Hagan - decent reserve
    Joe Toledo - on injured reserve
    Manny Wright - no longer with team
    Fred Evans - no longer with team
    Rodrique Wright - solid reserve
    Devin Aromoshodu - no longer with team

    ** There are no players from drafts 2000-2003 any longer on the team!
    *Keep in mind they also gave away a draft pick to get rid of AJ Feeley!

    Good Teams build through the draft but Miami has lived on Free Agents for the past number of years. No matter who the coach is, a year like this should have been eventually expected. Also, unless they move down in the next draft and gain a number of extra picks I don't see a light @ the end of the tunnel anytime soon.

    Good luck Fins - - You're going to need it!
     
  2. Dtronic

    Dtronic Season Tickets Sec. 150

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    Old news.
     
  3. lbmclean_sj

    lbmclean_sj New Member

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    there is a difference between whose fault it is and doing a job worthy of being the coach of the future

    you need to separate the two

    don't we want a coach to evince abilities to rise above troubles and have his team overperform?

    look at Jauron, he is in a 3 or 4 win situation and he has 7(almost 8!!)

    its not Jauron's fault that they aren't 9-4, but they have outperformed
     
  4. joker2thief

    joker2thief New Member

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    I'll agree with your logic
    something that just does not go well with fans
    but Roth a solid starter? serviceable is more like it.
    Hagan decent reserve? ugh
    but yeah the drafts have been horrendous
     
  5. SarahAnn

    SarahAnn New Member

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    Wrong.

    This isnt ENTIRELY Camerons Fault. He is AT Fault though. Those other coaches arent COACHING THIS TEAM. He is, its HIS job to get them motivated to play, which he isnt doing.
     
  6. Waldop

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    Exactly!!
     
  7. so-long-Ricky

    so-long-Ricky New Member

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    The only thing you can point the blame to Cameron is him not solidifing the QB position. He should have planned better knowing his primary starter could have been easily injured (which obviously was) with a good veteran backup.
     
  8. #1dolphinsfan

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    i agree that none of this is Cams fault its not like he the one running the defense and hes not playing for the offense
     
  9. zodiak

    zodiak New Member

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    The Fact is Cam CAmeron is the head coach of the Miami Dolphins,so yes its his fault the NFL record book says so.

    Now is this completly his team built player by player no, however these are his coaching decissions= trade for Trent Green, try ronnine brown out as a KO returner, waite 12 games into the season to use Lorenzo Booker as the player they drafted him to be a 3rd down back,all of his game calls are his
    and so on, this all ads up to 0 wins, so he must take some if not all the blame.

    One thought in all honesty just the team fielded to day forget drafts and how players got here simply the team as is now. how many wins would this team have if it was coached by a Cowher,Dungy or Belichick?
    my guess atleast 3-4 wins and thats ok considering the talent.
     
  10. dolfan87

    dolfan87 Super Moderator Luxury Box

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    This team seems to have no direction right now. Who's fault is that?
     
  11. mmikel30

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    I Wouldn't Mind Jeff Fisher At All
     
  12. Coral Reefer

    Coral Reefer Premium Member

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    Nice post.
    What many simply choose to ignore in these posts is that many have posted over and over and over that they are basing their concern about Cameron by decisions and choices he has made in personell and game management.

    Yes, this roster is devoid of top talent because of past drafts.
    No argument there.
    What the coaching staff is doing or is failing to do with what we have now is a completely different discussion.
     
  13. Kudda

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    But you gotta love the Cameron apologists for their effort. lol.
     
  14. Pariah

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    yes it is
     
  15. Pariah

    Pariah Revolutionary

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    Id take the porn star right now in a heartbeat
     
  16. Mr.Majestik

    Mr.Majestik New Member

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    Cameron gets a lot of the blame.

    Cameron is not to blame for the horrid personnel decisions that have proceeded his tenure. Randy Mueller isn't either. But Cameron has had enough talent on this roster at some point in the season to win 2, or 3 games. They lost 6 games by 3 points, or less. A good coach is going to win a few of those, Cameron has not. He's made inexplicable game decisions that cannot be defended--play calls, timeouts, clock management, player substitution. The team is getting worse, not better. A team making progress improves over the course of a season, it doesn't regress. The Dolphins went from playing tight games against good teams, to getting embarrassed by awful teams. Now we hear that Cameron has lost the players. How can you bring a coach back that has no credibility with his players? How can you bring back a coach that goes 0-16? That would be an all-time record for NFL futility. Every expansion team since the Bucs has been more successful. Don't underestimate the historic nature of this debacle.

    The irony is that in the free agency era, when parity is supposed to be the natural order of things, teams are not supposed to go winless, or undefeated, and both are likely to happen this season.
     
  17. NaboCane

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    bravo! well-said.

    i've been one who's been calling for patience with cameron...NO MORE.

    enough is enough.

    a litany of personnel mistakes; dammit, just look at lo booker and tell me he was held out of games, inactive on gamedays, with justification. bullcrap. just think how far along the kid would be now if he'd had more work with the first team all season - more work on the field.

    keeping ginn on st exclusively and not allowing him to start becoming accustomed to game speed from day one was another colossal blunder. a top-ten pick PLAYS, no if's and's or but's about it.

    carey at left tackle...yeah, what a stroke of genius that was! the kid was felling it at rt for the first time when these idiot coaches moved him, and now he has to take a road map with him to the bathroom.

    believing that lj shelton could play effectively ANYWHERE along this ol...self-explanatory. shelton is a black hole of football talent - not only does he suck, but he sucks so hard not even the talent of those around him can escape his gravity.

    releasing gado...what, 2, 3 times? when the kid can play like he did for us tonight? what, was he hiding some prodigy we don't know about somewhere?

    idiot.

    oh, and the play-calling...do you think that maybe if he called a pass on first down once in a while while beck WAS in the game, that the kid might connect? instead of having 9 in the box every first down, since even unborn children know that cameron will run on first down - then pass on third?

    yeah, some freaking offensive "genius" we got here. he's dave wannstedt - with worse players than wannstedt had.

    cameron needs to go.

    even mueller has to endure a long, hard look at this point.
     
  18. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    I was ok with Carey at LT since he was ok. But Cameron's made one blunder after another and has shown why he should be an offensive coordinator and not head coach.
     
  19. kadiddlehopper

    kadiddlehopper Senior Member

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    Cam is in charge. He picked 60 players. The Phins suck. Who else can be blamed except the guy in charge?
     
  20. AggieFin21

    AggieFin21 New Member

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    Yes, it is Cam Cameron's fault:
    (and it's already been pointed out by everyone in this thread)

    - You want to blame the lack of talent on the team: Who picked the players for this team?

    - You want to blame play calling: Who's been calling the plays for this team? (until recently it seems. funny how other people seem to have been calling the plays when things REALLY started to go down hill)

    - You wanna blame bad clock management: Hell, that's been Cam's undoing all season.


    Anyway you slice it, the HC is responsible for the ENTIRE team. Not just the offense, or the quarterbacks, or the special teams. Everything, from top to bottom.

    Cam needs to go, like now. Let Dom take over for the rest of the team then start from scratch. And for those of you worried about starting all over, tell me. What do we have to build on here? There's nothing to save or to build on for next season. Either way, we're still going to be starting all over again next season anyway.

    How bout we get someone in here who actually knows what they are doing. Do we really want a rookie HC rebuilding our franchise?
     
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2007

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