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Decision to throw on 3rd and 1 twice.

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  1. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    Anyone else wonder why in the hell we were throwing on 3rd and 1??!!! It happened not once but twice yesterday. Both times, incomplete. Punt.

    Just another reason why Henning is not a good play caller. He sucks. :pity:
     
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  2. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Not sure about the other 3rd and 1, but on the one where Cushing read it and got pressure on Henne (it was a rollout IINM) they had two receviers WIDE open.

    They took a shot, and we needed some big plays to get back in the game. Can't really fault them too much.
     
  3. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    Just makes no sense why we would throw in that situation. Just get the first down. We have one of if not the best fullbacks in the NFL in short yardage situations. It was during the first half. I think our opening drive was the first instance.
     
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  4. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Considering how bad our WRs are, those are the only type of plays where we have the best chance of getting a big play.
     
  5. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Also, 3rd and short type of plays are usually installed during the week, so I'm not sure you can pin it on Henning necessarily.
     
  6. SICK

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    not only that....but most nfl teams have the first 30 or so plays scripted in the beginning of the game
     
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  7. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    Who should take the blame then?
     
  8. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Third and short is generally a good time to throw deep, but got to nail the protection.
     
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  9. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    It's called risk/reward. The risk is WAY higher on 3rd and 1 to throw the ball. You risk an incomplete or interception. I can't believe people are defending this crap.
     
  10. keypusher

    keypusher Well-Known Member

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    I can believe that people pick one or two calls by Henning every week and obsess about them. But that doesn't mean I think it's a good idea. :lol:

    I didn't like the calls either, to be honest. But we're very good at converting third and fourth downs generally. So Henning must be doing something right. When I remember all the terrible things in the Texans game, those particular calls rank pretty far down the list.
     
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  11. Stringer Bell

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    Whomever ( I believe Carey) didn't execute their block. Some blame to Henne as well for not making that throw, granted it was a tough throw.
     
  12. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    If the call was a run, we most likely get the first down and don't have to punt, maybe we end up scoring on one or both of those drives instead of punting and giving Houston the ball (which they immediately took into the end zone). Could have been the difference in the game. One or two plays end up being the difference in a lot of NFL games.
     
  13. High Definition

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    The first one would have been a huge play if Vernon Carey came to play yesterday, but he didn't. He cost us how many potential big plays?
     
  14. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Yeah well, if our defense decided to show up we wouldn't be talking about it right now.
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Houston was selling out against the run the entire game. I was surprised by how well the linebacker picked up the roll out play. That was a great heads up play by him.
     
  16. keypusher

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    If I had to pick plays that made the difference against the Texans, I'd start with the tripping call on Polite (I'd lost the broadcast by then, so I can't comment on whether it was good or bad) and the incomplete instead of the catch and fumble (which looked completely wrong to me). Both of those had a much more direct impact on the game than the 3rd and 1 calls, especially since we don't know what would have happened if we had run it. Given the way Carey got blown up on the rollout, I wouldn't bet my life on him making the block on a running play.

    As far as calls are concerned, punting on 4th and 5 late in the game seems worse to me than either of the passing calls.
     
  17. NJFINSFAN1

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    And if we complete both passes we could have went on the score TD's and won the game.

    It's all what if's
     
  18. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    Yeah....just like "If Ricky had completed that pass on first and goal from the 2 against Buffalo on the opening drive.....we could have won the game."

    Bottom line is......we shouldn't have been passing to begin with. Can't believe nobody else agrees with me on this. Whatever.
     
  19. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    parcells will fix it
     
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  20. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    I hope you're right.
     
  21. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    i totally agree with you on this
    i was very pissed about it
    you go ahead and move the chains in those situations
    polite has been great in those situations all season long
    keep those drives alive and run the ball up the middle with the fb
    henning never ceases to amaze me with his cuteness
     
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  22. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    I really don't understand why people have a problem with not doing the obvious. Especially when your run game is getting totally shut down. FYI I think it was last week where on a 3 and 1 or something like that they faked polite in the backfield and instead threw the ball for a good gain.
     
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  23. Merauder

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    Because the obvious works. The defense knows we're going to hand it to Polite. Has anyone stopped him this season? Thank you very much.

    Bottom line: Henning SUCKS. Seems like all people want to do on here is defend the guy and his piss poor play calling ability. You all want to pick on one player but don't want to direct ANY blame whatsoever on the person calling the plays. You all want to shred Ginn when he drops the ball, but how about when Henning drops the ball every other week and ruins drives and leaves points out on the field? Not to mention momentum.
     
  24. unluckyluciano

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    well no one stopped the throw last week sooooooooooooooooo............ using your logic the un obvious worked as well. Oh lets touch on the unobvious wildcat as well.
     
  25. Merauder

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    I don't understand how anyone could think this guy is a good play caller. Can you give me ANY examples of how he is a good play caller? Because I can give you 100 reasons why he isn't.

    Don't even mention the wildcat, because that wasn't even his idea.
     
  26. unluckyluciano

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    well he still called the wildcat plays unless you're suggesting he was overruled.
    Im not saying the guy is perfect. I am saying the running of the obvious has probably been just as successful as the running of the nonobvious.
    and your one example is above 3 and 2 or whatever he lines up polite in the backfield and does a throw instead for more then the 2 yards.
     
  27. Merauder

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    It was 3rd and 1 yesterday, and in both situations he called a pass and it wasn't the right call both times.
     
  28. unluckyluciano

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    im referring to the play call last week bro.
     
  29. NJFINSFAN1

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    Let's use your argument you like to use, Henning is a Miami Dolphin, much like Ted Ginn is, shouldn't we support all Miami Dolphins like you always say?


    Is Henning perfect? No. Is our offense better than it has been since before Saban? Yes

    Does Henning get credit for that? Yes.
     
  30. Merauder

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    Don't talk to me about supporting Ginn. You are one of his biggest critics. The difference is.....Ginn hasn't been in the NFL for 30+ years. Ginn has changed QB's 3 times in his 3 years of being in the league, and one of them is named Cleo Lemon. Henning doesn't have an excuse.
     
  31. NJFINSFAN1

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    See first you off base, I don't hate Ginn, I'm pretty even keel with him, if he does bad, I say so, if he does good I say so. I have been very disappointed in Ginn, and I say so, but I pull for him.

    Second, you didn't say anything about our offense being better than it has been in years.

    Your the one that is always saying we should back all the Dolphins.

    Without Henning we don't win the Division last year.

    I'll go with the 30 years experience on this one .

    And I'm not sure he will come back anyway, he came out of retirement to help Parcells (who wants him which is good enough for me).

    I personally think Lee will be the OC next year.
     
  32. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    I missed the entire first half.. Why wouldnt they run Polite.. He is basically guaranteed to get it



    BTW.. Devin Aroushmadu just made an incredible catch.. Horrible throw by Cutler
     
  33. Merauder

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    Saying the offense has been better than it has "in years" doesn't say a whole lot to me. I do say we should back all Dolphins but I've completely had it with Henning. Like I said, Ginn hasn't been in the NFL that long and has had a QB carousel. Henning continues to make mistakes that cost us games. Ok, without Henning MAYBE we don't win the division last year. Maybe you're right about that. But remember the play calling against the Ravens in the playoffs? It was HORRID. The bottom line is, when it comes down to crunch time.....Henning sucks. He might make good calls 75% of the time, but the other 25% he chokes in the worst possible situations.
     

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