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Nt or lbs in 2010 draft?

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  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I really do not want to hear we need a receiver early in this draft.
    I really like the 2 nts coming out, williams from tennese and cody from bama because good nts are hard to find.The problem is after watching the middle of the field part like the red sea game after game on passing downs is lbs the more important need?Not to mention olbs is also a great need but i think we can get away with 1 more year of taylor and porter.
    Do we draft the nose tackle because they are harder to find or draft the line backer to help in coverage over the middle our biggest weakness?
     
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  2. NJFINSFAN1

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    Well, we really do need a WR early in the draft.

    But my money is on a LBer in round one.

    But its to early to tell what happens, it depends on FA's, the collective bargaining agreement etc...
     
  3. Fin-Omenal

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    We need Linebackers bad! If a Dez Bryant is there we gotta take him but LB is a huge need for this team.

    My opinion.

    LB, DT, S, WR, RB, TE

    Ofcourse the ole BPA can be a hit too.
     
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  4. dolfan7171

    dolfan7171 Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion, we need both LB and NT in the draft. We need to get stronger in those areas.
     
  5. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I think we go ILB and OLB in Round 1 and 2 in the draft while getting a High profiled Receiver in FA.
     
  6. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    I know we need to add 7-8 quality players to this team, as my good friend Peter discussed on my way home tonight. It will depend what we can do in free agency, who declares, and what the depth of talent is at NT, LB, WR, TE, and RB. This team management must get a #1 WR in here. I don't want to hear Bill say he is not going to make any deals for a number #1 WR. I just want to hear from Jeff, and Bill we will do what ever it takes to accomplish a number #1 coming to Miami.
     
  7. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Soliai has made a good case for keeping his starting job. He's still got some room to grow from a technical skill standpoint, but he's shown some serious upside. He dominated Nick Mangold, who is arguably the best Center in the league week 8, and he's been the guy in the middle when they held the #1 and #2 rushers to under 3.5 a pop apiece.
     
  8. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    Good point. We will need to bring someone in especially if for some reason Ferg doesn't come back.
     
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  9. RoninFin4

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    If it were up to me, I'd have to start my priority list like this:

    1a. Inside LB
    1b. Outside LB
    2. #1 WR
    3. Which ever of the two between 1a and 1b you don't get first.
    4. A true FS
     
  10. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I hope soliai is the answer but our run defence went from #3 to #14 after fergie got hurt so i am not so sure he is a legit nose.
    Williams and cody look they could be dominat nose tackles and probally will not be available in the second round.
    I hate to burst everybodys bubble but no elite receivers are going to be available to us during the free agent period and parcells is not going to draft one early with all the lbs problems we have.
     
  11. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    What do you base that on? All reports are that Boldin will be available in a trade and that his price will be lower than what they asked for last year. If the CBA is agreed upon then Marshall is a FA and Denver will have no say unless they let Dumerville go or they sign him early.

    As for what Parcells will do, I don't buy that any of us know. The first two seasons everybody knew that Parcells would never take a LT and CB early, not with our needs at LB. Of course it turned out that the team passed on LBs both of those years.
     
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  12. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I hate to burst your bubble but Jeff Ireland is the GM, parcells is an advisor. And we very easily could go WR in round 1 if we are picking in a spot where Dez Bryant is available.
     
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  13. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Boldin will cost them a 1 and a third thanks to jerry jones trade for roy williams.No way the fins are going to give up two draft picks to get him.
    I would be happy as hell to get marshall but i just don't see this team breaking the bank for one of the best receivers in the nfl.Parcells does not like diva receivers as he was totaly against signing owens in dallas.
    This team will draft defence in the first round lb,nt,or fs,in the first round.You can think whatever you want but this team has parcells fingerprints on every move.
    I think that is the right move anyway after watching our sorry *** pass defence give up big play after big play.
     
  14. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    How is a NT or ILB going to help pass defense much? And while there are plenty of Parcells blueprints, there is enough to say we could go in any direction. Counting out WR simply because of Parcells history is just silly.

    Not saying in the least we WONT go defense - we very well may. But its going to come down to 2 things - FA and draft availability.

    If we sign an ILB during free agency and have Dez Bryant on the board when we pick? We pick Dez Bryant.

    If we get Antonio Bryant in FA and Eric Berry somehow drops to us along with Dez? Eric Berry is the easy pick.

    You cant just say that "history says" without taking everything else into effect. :up:
     
  15. F.O

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    Who's the one here that kept telling us that it would best serve the Dolphins to draft a Guard in the 1st round..

    :lol:
     
  16. Vinny Fins

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    If Dez is available, take him. If not, grab Mt. Cody and hopefully snag Tate in Round 2.
     
  17. Anonymous

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    Based on when he said it, he probably thought we were going to pick late in round one. Drafting Mike Iupati late in the first round wouldn't have been the worst pick. Let's face it. We can't deal with Smiley any more. He's to injury prone. Iupati could fill in for Smiley, and help us have the most dominant line in football.
     
  18. Disgustipate

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    ILB would be very helpful to pass defense, a lot of the problem this year has been covering the TE. Which has a domino effect- Less of a need for man coverage from the safeties. It also would hopefully mean better run defense from a base 3-4 and less need for the Jumbo 4-3/6-1 defense that has been used against quality running teams.
     
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    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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  20. Boomer

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    I will be surprised if Miami take a NT in round 1 unless they think Tyson Aluala has the oak to play like Jay Ratliff but can start at endM even then I have trouble seeing it. I think there's only two ILB's worthy of the first round. I suspect if Bryant isn't there, if it's too high for Gresham, not the right spot for McClain or Spikes, then it will be an OLB. Someone like Corey Wootton would make a great deal of sense. It's a solid group of middle range FA NT's and with Ferguson likely back as well, at this stage I don't see ther necessity.
     
  21. azfinfanmang

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    Yep, EXACTLY.
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    While WR is a true need, unless Dez Bryant is there for us, it won't be our first pick.
    IF Bryant is gone, don't be surprised if we pick Gresham instead. Just like a top notch WR, a Te with his skills would really open up our passing game.
    All that said, with the emergence of Soliai, and yes he was very very much improved this year, MLB and OLB are top priorities.
    MLB due to lack of talent and OLB due to age of JT and Porter and of course the Roth situation.
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    Something to keep in mind prior to the draft is, there will be a TON of linebackers available that would be considerable upgrades/depth/age aquisitions, and I am not just talking about the high priced high profile names.
    At WR there is really only one realistic name for us and that's Antonio Bryant.....amd I REALLY REALLY hope we don't go there.
    As for NT, I don't see any chance of us going first day.
    As I mentioned, Soliai really improved and has dominatewd at times. The problem I have seen with him is he mentally takes plays off. This will get better with experience. We also have two nice players that can spell him in Randy Starks (Better at DE, but very good at NT as well) and McDaniel.
    Of course one position I haven't talked about is FS....and believe it or not, I don't think we make any moves there what-so-ever unless the deal/pick of the century falls in our lap.
     
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  22. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I would love to get hampton or even pickett in fa but the cost of nose tackles is going up with more teams moving too the 3-4.
     
  23. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I think if we do nothing at safety we better start playing cover 2.
     
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  24. azfinfanmang

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    Well, here's the thing, going into the season we had Will Allen and 2 Strong Safeties....and somebody elkse at the 4th corner. That is just screaming Quarters type defensive looks.
    The staff now has two bona-fide youngsters to start developing defensive schemes around. Some people want to bag on Smith, but I think he's gonna be a star. Davis already is showing he's gonna be a star IMO.
    So yes, I think our defensive sets will change dramatically with the instant emergence of Davis and Smith :up:
     
  25. Boomer

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    Except that we don't need a starting NT. And the very last player you'd want is Casey Hampton who's had a dog of a season.
     
  26. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    If i am mistaken the steelers are 3rd in the league against the run and we are 14th.I would think the nt postion is a little better than ours this year.
     
  27. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The group of linebackers out there is fantastic in FA if a CBA is signed. Most of them don't qualify otherwise.
     
  28. Boomer

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    If only it were that simple. Their LB play is stronger than ours and they have good run playing safeties. They have strong run playing 3-4 ends and a excellent rotation. Being a good run defense doesn't just fall on the shoulders of the NT. Hampton turned up overweight, stayed overweight and has struggled all year long.
     
  29. Killerphins

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    I'm really intrigued by Jerry Hughes from TCU. I know he played running back in high school and was moved to DE immediately in college. He bulked up and is now back down in the 250's. They say the guy has remarkable speed and could be projected as a 3-4 outside linebacker. He will go early. I know we have Wake who can't really pick his hand up and play in coverage so we don't want to invest in another guy who potentially is one dimensional. I read somewhere that Hughes had an int for a TD this season.
    With Taylor and Porter fading away and no real solid depth to develop there I think the outside linebacker position is a huge need.
    Can someone tell me a little more about this guy?
     
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    http://forums.thephins.com/showthread.php?t=34743&highlight=jerry+hughes
     
  31. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I would say our ends are strong against the run and our safeties our also strong against the run.Crowder is also a good run stuffer.I am not sure soliai is the answer as a starting nose as we dropped way down in the ranking once fergie got hurt.
    The steelers lost troy and smith for the year and they still managed to stay in the top 3.Stopping the run in a 3-4 starts with the nose protecting the linebackers.If he was as bad as you say they would be ranked much lower than us.
    That being said i hope you are right about soliai making one less hole we have to fill.Ilbs is to me the most important need on this team.
     
  32. Killerphins

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    Excellent write up.
    You talked about some of the things I worry about mainly getting pushed around by big physical offensive lineman. Obviously your write up was before the season. Did he correct that at all?

    Like I said before I think outside linebacker is a big need and depending on how this guy does in his workouts and how the draft flows he could be a guy the Dolphins might gun for.
     
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  33. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Quite a bit of the run defenses drop had nothing to do with the NT. Most of the big rushing plays have either come against nickel and dime defense, where Soliai hasn't been on the field, or on plays outside of the tackles which a Nose Tackle isn't going to do much besides hopefully block cutback avenues.
     
  34. rafael

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    The rumors are that AZ will trade Boldin and that their asking price dropped considerably from the 1st and 3rd last year. The expected asking price is a 2nd.I think you're way off on it requiring that much to get Boldin.

    And I don't think anybody knows what Parcells' finger prints are. I think there are many misconceptions about what he wants. All the same people who are saying we go defense now were saying we wouldn't go LT or CB over a LB the first two years b/c that's what they knew about Parcells. How many times do people have to get it wrong before they stop saying the same thing every year.

    And I think that people fail to realize how often ILBs get beat. A top 10 ILB gets beat in coverage 70% of the time. Crowder gets beat 75% of the time. I know that's not all they do but reality is that it won't change that much no matter who we bring in. I expect that the coaching staff thinks more highly of our ILBs than the fans do. I know people were surprised when they re-signed Crowder so quickly last year.

    The one defensive position that would have a huge impact is FS. And if Berry drops to our pick he's the obvious selection. But outside of that, there's not much available at FS that will bring much improvement. The biggest improvement in our coverage will come from the growth of what we already have.
     
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  35. #1dolphinsfan

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    the RB all depends on if we re-sign Ronnie
     
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    Thanks. I honestly haven't watched him yet this year. Only get a few couple TCU games here and I've got them on tape but haven't gotten around to watching them. I'll watch them pretty soon though and I'll PM you if you want.
     
  37. ckparrothead

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    Speaking of TCU a guy that doesn't get much airplay but who has pro ability is the cornerback, Raphael Priest. He seems to have natural speed and quickness to react to receiver breaks, and I think his technique and awareness will just get better and better. Sort of like how Bruce Johnson from The U has gotten better and actually done something as a rookie NFL player even though you never would have picked him out in college as one of the most standout performers.
     
  38. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Thats great but i would really like to see the yac numbers for our ilbs i bet they are at the bottom of the league.
    Not to mention between the two of our ilbs they have a combined two turnovers.That is not getting it done.
     
  39. Killerphins

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    that would be awesome
    thanks for taking the time
    :hi5:
     
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