Is it time for Bill Parcells to move on?

I love this front office and in no way shape or form would even think about getting rid of them, but, they've GOT to do better in free agency, or should I say, non rookie free agency. Maybe someone else can help jog my memory, but I'm on my cell phone and can't look up a list of them
Pennington - great signing, fell into their laps though

Polite - great signing, but let's be honest, luck with this one, he was a nobody

Wilford - terrible

Grove - to big of contract for a half a season player

V.Carey - to big of contract for a above average RT

Crowder - decent price and years, not a fan of Channing, but decent signing

Ayodele - I know trade, but I'm counting. He's simply not good, Torbor was suppose to be the starter, but he's simply not good either

Fasano - overrated on this board imo. David Martin out played him in every aspect of the game last year imom.

Will Allen - good cover corner, but at that age with that contract?? Don't know about that at all

G.Wilson - terrible. They let a decent cover FS and captain of our secondary to get another Bell, cept not as good

Torbor - good at going down hill towards the ball carrier, bad at everything else

Just not good enough on free agent signings and trades.

 

What, exactly, is the standard you think you are comparing them to here?

 

That is a great question!!!!!!

 

Parcells left the Jets with a 8-8 record...Do you think he thought the job was done in NY?

not much difference between 7-9 and 8-8 plus he could walk away with the rest of his contract$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I wouldn't be so sure

 

there is no disagreement, only a BluePrint & that won't go away
Kudos to the BigTuna & Co.!
Bill Parcells

 

Wiki does a good job of tracking what has occured since BP came on board following 2007. The list of transactions and changes to both FO and Roster is long......!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Miami_Dolphins_season

and this past offseason, and reg season moves

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Miami_Dolphins_season

 

He hasn't won anything here but look at his past

How many superbowls did Parcells win in
New England...0
Dallas............0
Jets...............0

His playoff record is 3-6 in the past 20 years

Vonte Davis was 1 year old the last time Parcells won a super bowl 20 years ago

 

you don't change horses in the middle of the stream

Parcells is second only to Don Shula in Dolfandom
Miami will be the crown jewel in his illustrious career
the re-building is not over until we have SuperBowl rings

 

If you mean standard as in a model team to go by.....why would I need one in particular?

I have 4 decades of watching this team and this league, common sense and a pair of good eyes.

I'm not expecting perfection out of them or anyone, that would be unrealistic. However, there were key needs on this team that have been poorly addressed.

Signing both Wilson and Bell and then in the draft we address the need for offensive play maker, by drafting an undersized spread QB, early in the second. Those moves alone had a negative impact on our record this year, our ability to defend the division title and are reasons why we find ourselves watching other teams in the playoffs...

They've made mistakes and they need to improve this next off season. That's my take on it.....I'm happier than I was with our past few regimes, but not yet satisfied. And if they themselves are truly satisfied and don't see see where they can improve, then we're in trouble.

 

rediculous, the best we've had since Shula & the very best is yet to come

by the way you forgot to mention JT & Ricky Williams...
I give the FrontOffice a ten in their Miami rebuilding project.
any word from the Padre?

 

I thought this was well known.

 

exactly! got a gut feeling Parcells is preparing a deal w/ Al Davis to trade GinnJr. for McFadden.
after that goes down , they won't be friends for long...

 

I don't think Parcells and Davis would be a good fit. Al Davis is a control freak and that has been one of the Raiders problems for years.

IMHO any team that is rebuilding will have growing pains and the Dolphins are no different. Two years ago the Dolphins were 1-15, the worst record and arguably the worst team in franchise history, the expansion Dolphins finished 3-11 in their first season. When Parcells took control he stated this was a team with no talent and everyone knew he had a big job on his hands. We were fortunate to finish 11-5 in his first full season but it may have given us inflated expectations. I wonder if any other team in the NFL were to lose as many starting players in key positions as the Dolphins have, would they do much better. We have one of the younger rosters in the NFL that still has several holes to fill.
Have Parcells, Ireland and Sparano been perfect?, No. Have they made improvements?, Yes. Would anyone like to go back to Cameron, Saban or Wannstedt making our personnel decisions and could it be any worse than what we've had for two years?

 

they've made a lot more than some improvements,
they've revamped the entire infrastructure from scouting, coaching & front office to players.
Miami has a new character & philosophy of football. this is a new, completely rejuvenated franchise.
thank you Bill Parcells & Co.

 

No, it's not time for Parcells to move on, but it is time for them to go out and make the moves needed to get us playmakers. Spend money,make trades.Get us a dominate team for 2010.

 

I totally get what you are saying FFIC. Parcells was brought in to put a system in place. And, Ireland was just one of the pieces of that system. Hired to be the Dolphins GM, we assume all player personnel decisions are Ireland's to make. BUT...I think we all know Parcells propensity to buying the groceries. Besides, Bill still needs to feed his ego. So, he wants this team, and the assumed success that will follow, to be a reflection of him. To be his legacy.

So, who is making the player personnel decisions? Parcells? Ireland? Or, are they being made by committee? If so, does Sparano have any say? Man, I would love to know. I assume they discuss players as a group, but Bill has final say so. And, if that is true, than I think your question is valid. That is to say...when does he back off entirely (or leave) so Ireland can sink or swim on his own? If it's true BP insisted on White, and Ireland wanted to go in a different direction, you have to wonder how different this last draft might have been had Parcells not had such a heavy hand in it. On the other hand, if Turner was Ireland's boy, and he couldn't even make the field on game day in his first full season, well that doesn't necessarily fill me with a lot of confidence either. Having said that, there are going to be misses in every draft...no matter who's making the decisions.

Utimately, I'm sure the time will come when Bill decides it's time to move on. And, when he does we'll all finally get a chance to see what Ireland can do on his own. Until then, I can only assume Bill may feel Ireland still needs grooming before he can turn the reigns over to him entirely.

JMHO...

 

Al Davis doesn't want anyone running that franchise for him, that was and will continue to be his problem for as long as he remains the owner of that team.

They asked Sparano in his PC today if he thought Bill was sticking around and he got a big smile on his face sort of chuckled and said Parcells was in the office awful early working this morning and that "that sure doesn't seem like something anyone that's planning on leaving would be doing"

If Parcells is leaving Sparano sure doesn't know about it yet.

 

Parcells has two weaknesses
1) picking WR's has never been his forte
2) slow to see & admit to personal short-comings
having admitted to that
1) I think he has delegated a tremendous amount of personal decision making
2) He remains the finest mind in the NFL today & will be remembered w/ the best in years to come. nobody knows football like Bill Parcells.
3) He is the Architect & Chief Administrator, the Czar of Operations.

the TriFecta will collectively act in the best interest of the franchise
the blueprint will be respected & adhered to w/o compromise
We will Contend in 2010! Not to worry... first the ILB then the PlayMaker

 

I don't honestly think at his age Parcells is all that concerned with the financial part of things. I mean everyone is looking for more money, but when you have a good thing sometimes its more valuable than money.

He's almost 70, probably very well off financially, gets to work with an entirely hand picked crew, has final say on all things football related with his team, and doesn't have to worry about the financial side of it at all.

I mean realistically after last years turnaround, the guy has the freaking keys to the city of Miami. Yes, he could go somewhere else and try to get another team on track, but I just don't see him getting a setup anywhere else like he has here now. At a certain point in your adult life you begin to value your career versus the pure financial side of things I think.

But if he does go, he's set us up with a more than capable FO that has proven it can get the job done.

 

What I want to know, in relation to this, is who pulled the trigger on Pat White at 44.

Then, when I know that - THAT's the person I want to move on. If it's Parcells, so be it; if it's Ireland, ditto.

But that was an inexcusable gaffe for a team that simply could not afford a bad pick that high, in the second rebuilding year removed from a 1-15 record.

Following that up with Patrick Turner wasn't brilliant either.

 

I bet Sparano & Henning had input into a decision
that had WildCat written all over it.

(Somebody obviously was of the opinion that the passing element was needed in the SingleWing )
& that White could threaten in a SpreadOffense,
not much of a stretch considering how well he played
@ the university level, White was a legitimate star
the guy was/is a serious athlete & all around football talent.

that being said

Pat White may still pan-out as a WR/Slot, @ Returns
& as a SituationalQB, on TrickPlays & reversals, etc.
in the end, he may prove his worth in spades

what I do know:
1) is he was not picked to compete in the pro-set against Henne
2) the guy cannot be considered a bust in his first year sporting the quality & diversity of talent he possesses
3) he is fearless & wants to play in the NFL. there will be a place for him in Miami in 2010

Pat White remains (in my eyes)
a legitimate #2 in development, regardless "who pulled the trigger."
however, that acquisition does not bear the signature of BillParcells.
@ best it w/ a collective decision & we had reason to make the call.

 

From what I've heard (which admittedly is second hand or hearsay), it was Pareclls that wanted White...a lot. In fact, someone posted to that effect earlier in this thread. But, going back to the combine, I heard things to the effect that Parcells and Billicheck both fell in love with him (or his skill set). I have stated before, and will do so again...I truly believe Parcells was trying to get the jump on Billicheck. And, I think Billicheck played Parcells in the process (i.e., Billicheck had no real intention of drafting White. At least...not as early as the second round). Now, if I'm right, the question is...was Parcells really enamored with White? Or, was he simply trying to keep him from landing in NE?

As for Turner, that same person that posted earlier in this thread about White being Parcells boy, said Turner was all on Ireland. So, there you go. If true, they both get graded down in my book, because both were wasted picks as far as I am concerned. But, who really knows?

Hey, maybe Parcells will decide to write a book when he finally decides to retire, and we'll all find out just what went on behind those doors.

EDIT: Here's that other poster I referred to. Don't know the credibility. But, just thought I'd back up my statements with his comments.

 

I can understand why we're dumping on White as a bad pick, due to the fact that he really hasn't found a place on this offense yet.

But seriously why are we dumping on Turner again? He's been a Dolphin for under a year now. It was stated throughout the year that Hartline saw the field over Turner because he was able to pick up all of the WR positions very quickly. Turner in all likelihood needed a year to study and understand the game. I think he had to show leaps and bounds improvement over Camarillo, Bess, Ginn, or Hartline at their respective positions they play to get time.

If after this year he doesn't get activated, then yeah, bust city.

 

Pat White really didnt look like a bad pick coming out of college,Top Combine Performer,Senior Bowl MVP,won 4 straight bowl games

 

I think Parcells and Ireland have been kickin the other in the shorts, every time the other one picks a bust reciever. I'm not concerned over it. GIven a choice, I'd prefer them having trouble determining which player they need to improve the position, rather than trouble determining which position they need to improve the player.

 

My only real response to this is that while I can certainly appreciate what you are saying, I have a really hard time accepting it for a third round pick. Had he been a 6th or 7th rounder, hey...no problem. But, a third round pick that made zero impact in his first season (when the fourth round pick did) is really, really hard for me to accept.

JMHO...

 

turner & white will play out over the course of next season
they will have an opportunity @ some point in time to make a fit
I'm sure white will find his place & less sure of turner
having said that
just too early to make the call anything can happen

I remember a little noblody we picked from SanDiego that no one believed in or wanted. we even failed to see his ultimate value when we acquired him from the chargers, then let him go to the patriots.

what would the patriots & brady have done w/o him? what was his name? think about it.

 

I think there might be more dynamics at play here.

Parcells might defer to Tony and Jeff for all we know, but we also know that Tony & Jeff are both disciples of Bill, and both were hired by him. As such, it's not out of this world to suspect that some of these guys might acquiesce to Bill on some issues given his role in their lives.

Have you ever wavered on an opinion or just acquiesced to a superior or mentor because you respected them, or owed them? I'm not saying this is the case, just that it is entirely possible.

 

This.

The reality is we have one of the worst WR corps in the league. Turner, a 3rd round pick and our first WR taken in the draft couldn't even get suited up for games or break into our WR rotation. When you have two UDFA's starring in your corps (Bess & Cam), the fact that a 3rd round pick can't even get in rotation, even in the last game of the year, tells me a lot.

I'm not saying the kid will never play in the NFL. I just think it was a wasted pick for us. You don't pick a "project WR" in the 3rd round. At the least you get a guy who can dress and make some appearances on the field.

 

They always disagree, Parcells doesn't want "Yes" men around him. He wants people who will challenge his thoughts on players and other issues. You don't get better with "Yes" men.

 

Yeah, we've had two HORRIBLE drafts with Tuna, Ireland, and Sparano together. MUCH BETTER to go back to the way it was before they came.

 

You would think 2 minds are better then 1, but i see what your saying.

Wonder if Sparano has any say?

 

jeff ireland and bill parcells buy the groceries
sparano puts together the game day menu

seriously we would all love to know how the scales tip in the fo but they arent going to tell us

we just have to remain patient, sit back and hope they continue to build this team