http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...lphins-mark-duper-critiques-ted-ginn-jr-.html one of the better analysis on Ginn. Neither Pro or Anti. Just states the truth "Ted Ginn Jr.?" Duper began. "Needs a lot of work." OK, where would you start? "First of all, route running," Duper continued. "Catching the football. Concentration drills, that's basically what he needs. He's got the speed. We all know that. He's got to learn how to get open and catch the football." "don't know what they're going to do with him," Duper said. "It would be a waste of talent if they don't do something with him because the kid can play. He just had a tough year. Maybe next year he'll come back and redeem himself." Duper said he was surprised the Dolphins didn't use Ginn's speed to stretch the field more once Chad Henne took over in Week 3. Ginn had just two catches of longer than 19 yards after Henne's promotion: the 53-yard TD in the first Jets game and a 35-yard grab against the Texans. There was also a 62-yard TD against Houston that was wiped out by that tripping penalty on Lousaka Polite.
Ted ginn to me has had his chances to redeem himself as a dolphin and hasnt done it. Maybe he'll be able to do it on another NFL team but i do not think it will be in Miami. We need someone who can produce for us now, not a four year project that may or may not pan out.
"Duper said he was surprised the Dolphins didn't use Ginn's speed to stretch the field more once Chad Henne took over in Week 3." He answered this himself: "He's got to learn how to get open and catch the football."
"If" you have the first down.... Ginn could be 6 inches short and be completely oblivious to it because he's frantically either hitting the dirt or looking for the sideline.
not really. sparano addressed it several times and there were alot of plays were ginn was open but either the pass protection broke down or henne simply didnt see him. but i think your overall point is correct which is he still has to improve. obviously you have to give yourself as many opportunities as possible to make plays and the easiest way to do that is to do your job as good as you possibly can every play. Ginn is still too inconsistent and that costs him opportunities. Even if it costs him just one opportunity that one opportunity could be a 60 yd pass for a touchdown. considering how little he was getting the ball he's gotta make his opportunities go up
stop attacking Duper! He;'s a great fan and his insight is invaluable Ginn definitely needed to get a GPS for Christmas
As for Ginn, he said Monday he had one major goal for his offseason. "I just have to get my hand-eye coordination back ready and I think I should be fine," he said. So I guess he'll be doing a lot of juggling these next seven months. That's the problem with Ginn right there...and that's why he will always be what he currently is...he thinks he's fine.
What do you want him to say? He's already said the Saints game was his worst ever, and this past season was his worst football season. Seriously, I don't think him saying anything other than "I'm retiring" (or whatever he says resulting in him being gone next year) would make most people happy.
The kid thinks he's fine that's the problem. He's not going to get better as long as he thinks he's fine. When players get drafted into the league they either get better every year and continue to say they need to work on this and that. Or they get worse and say they will be fine and become busts. His refusal to admit he has vastly more problems than just hand eye coordination, His refusal to Mark Duper reaching out wanting to help him and his continuos decline in performance every year make it pretty obvious which direction he's headed. We really need to stop being so apathetic toward players like this it sends the wrong message to the team, it tells the rest of the players "it's ok to be mediocre". With all the talk Sparano has been doing about changing the culture around here and not accepting mediocrity...essentially keeping Ginn and some of the others around would not be a good move as it goes totally against what he's been preaching and once that starts happening he's gonna start losing respect real fast and we're gonna go back to the old days of players just showing up to collect paychecks. I want the team to continue getting better and in order for that to happen we need to keep moving forward all the time, leaving the mediocrity behind. It's not about Ted Ginn and what's best for him, it's about the team and what's best for them.
Great post bro. It's one reason why I wonder exactly why some people seem to latch onto a player so much as a favorite that they seem to ignore how they actually are playing. I supported Ginn all the way up to this year citing that he was young and it takes time to develop. This was year 3 though and some things we saw this year are more than a player not realizing his potential. I saw a player that seems isn't aggressive, plays scared in certain places on the field, runs poor routes and clearly has a concentration problem with all his drops. I'm not sure those are repairable issues and they are much bigger issues than a WR trying to learn the nuances of the NFL game.
So you don't want him to have confidence? Like I said, what do you want him to say? You're essentially knocking him (in this particular instance) for not going into a long diatribe about each thing he can work on, and that which he will likely work on. Not to mention we have no idea what else Ginn said, as it only has like two sentences from him. Ginn is not Jamarcus Russell. He isn't a person who doesn't keep working at getting better. He's never been that guy in any part of his life based on most things that've been published or spoken about him. And where does this continual decline in performance each year come from? Is it only in bizzarro world where he improved from year 1 to year 2, then by all accounts regressed from year 2 to year 3. Unless there are some pro seasons that no one in the world knows about, he can't possibly have a continual decline in performance each year yet.
Question: Where did he say he's fine? He admits he need some work and then he thinks he should be fine. Big difference between what he said and what you're saying he said. When has Ginn had issues with his hands before this year? Last year, he had very good hands. He has been working on his route running and getting open and he has improved. Anyone that says he hasn't hasn't been watching very carefully or just doesn't want to see the improvement. We, as fans, have to do no such thing. That's on the coaches. If they believe Ginn has absolutely no upside and that he's as miserable a failure as so many here seem to believe, he won't be with the team next year. However, there are plenty of Dolphins fans, not Ted Ginn fans, that want to see this kid succeed. Not because we feel he deserves it, but because if he succeeds, the team succeeds. On the other hand, it's not about the fanbase, it's about the team, and if the coaching staff believes Ginn's shortcomings are fixable, like all us "supporters" believe, he will be kept. In closing, lets leave with what a certain Mr. Duper had to say: Maybe indeed.
Most people would've gladly traded Ginn for Royal straight up last year, but look at Royal's #'s this year (hint: it's an immense regression). It is quite possible (not saying it's likely) that Ginn just had a bad year (for him) and that he should indeed be fine if he corrects one of the things he needs to work on most (which he says is hand eye coordination). And seeing as how so many people have tried pointing out that the #1 job of a WR is to catch the ball (not that I necessarily agree), then it should seem that if he improves at doing the #1 job of a WR that he should improve as a whole.
Not gonna beat it to death...just gonna say we have been here before...with Chambers. For 6 or 7 years everyone said next year will be his breakout year...They blamed it on QB's, Coordinators, you name it every excuse in the book came out every year and where is he now? What has he done? Eventually you gotta learn from your mistakes and quit clinging to that belief that next year this is gonna happen and that's gonna happen. Three years is enough time for anyone in this league to show what they've got and if they haven't shown it yet, they aren't going to show it, not this year, not next year and no not the year after that either.
in general i agree with you but you have receivers like tony martin, tim brown, etc. bottom line we're not getting a receiver this year who can replace ginn's speed so he'll probably stay one more year, we'll bring in one or two new receivers and we'll probably dump camarillo and maybe turner. if ginn doesnt catch one pass he still helps the offense by simply drawing the safety to his side. bottom line is next year will be the last for ginn to break out. 2011 is loaded with receiving prospects. if ginn and our new additions dont work out we'll have no problem fixing the unit in 2011 and replacing ginn's sub 4.3 speed.
I agree with Doopz. If we get rid of Ginn it would be ridiculously stupid. What are we going to get, a 4th or 5th round pick? Not worth it. Keep him as a #3 or #4 receiver, maybe he even steps into the #2 role if we have a big time go-to #1 receiver on the opposite side of him. He's perfect in that role. I stand by Ted Ginn. I still think he can be a solid receiver. I thought he was really coming along in 2008 before taking a major step back in 2009, but he ended the season playing some pretty good football.
I honestly believe the thing that frustrates me the most about Ginn is that he has the talent to be a great WR. However, he has not taken the steps mentally required to get him there.
i think thats the frustrating thing with him. Ive never got the sense that he dogs it. I do get the sense that he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. but when you see those flashes of talent you just think of what could be if he puts it all together. maybe thats why i'm willing to give him extra time where others arent
yeah i even thought the improvement continued into this preseason and then the colts game started a four game meltdown that seemed to define his season
I try to avoid the Ted Ginn Topics most of the time, but I have to put my 2 cents in here. I truely believe that Ted Ginn more than any other player on the Dolphins roster does not fit the Parcells model. I know, I know this isn't Parcell's team yada yada yada, but this team looks a lot like how most of his teams looked before as far as players attitudes and their determination, their passion,etc, etc. Ted Ginn to put it simply is almost the exact opposite of a Parcells guy and I think our Coaches, Jeff Ireland and Parcells have seen enough of him. I believe Ginn will be traded for either a 2nd or 3rd round pick. I doubt we will be able to get a 2nd, but I am going to keep my hopes up because Parcells has gotten more for players than he should have many a times. The reason I think we will get rid of him also boils down to a numbers game with Greg Carmillo, Brian Hartline, Devone Bess, and Patrick Turner also on the roster. I know Turner didn't play much this season, but we will keep him around for another season to see if he developes anymore (much like we did with Murphy before cutting him). With those 4 WR's on the roster already and with WR as one of our biggest needs I expect us to acquire a top WR via trade, FA or the draft; which would bring us up to 5 WRs to fill up our roster. If we don't trade Ginn it will result in Carmillo, Hartline, Bess or Turner being cut lose. The thing that upsets me most about this whole ordeal is that I could see Ginn going to a team that uses his strengths to stretch the field as a very good number 2 WR and he could dominate. Just think how explosive and good Ginn could be in the Colt's system next to Reggie Wayne and having Manning launch him bombs... It's scary. Bottom-Line: We are going to trade him and we could easily regret it in 2 more years if he gets in the right system.
Excellent Point. Royal has dissappeared. Ginn's salary is pretty small all things considered. That quick strike we saw that got called back is worth trying to work on. Rooting for the guy as much as I do, I watch when he's on the field that often times he truly is a decoy because as soon as the ball is snapped Henne is often already locked on to another WR not surveying the field but ready for the short route. I know I'm not the only one that saw this. is it a call from upstairs or Henne I have no idea.
I think you're generalizing every player in the NFL a tad bit too much to say that. While I don't know if Ginn will become what people want him to be (considering most want him to be an elite #1 receiver, I would bet a large sum of money he won't reach those expectations); I believe given his talent... he should get one more year. If he has another year like this past year, then that is the time to let him go. I think his fifth year is an opt-out too so that will aid in the decision. Considering the three year rule for rookies is simply a theory we should not cling to that belief system as if it were from the Bible; Tim Brown, for example, proved that it the three year rule is certainly not a law.
He only missed two games, and he managed to play STs in like every game he played in. Regardless, health should be used in evaluation of a player (though not solely). And his stats are indeed similar to Ginn, but each of his receiving stats (except for probably drops and YAC) are worse. The point is that this past year could wind up being the exception (as I'm sure most people probably aren't calling for Royal's head all the time), and honestly there's nothing Ginn could say that would appease most everyone.
Well, I don't see why this is really a topic... As someone said, Ginn's contract doesn't even give us an opt out until after next year. So unless we want to eat the salary cap by cutting him completely, he'll likely at least have training camp to prove himself. Because after last year, we're very likely not going to find a trade. So like Ginn or hate him, I'd be very surprised if he's going anywhere. And as far as the over analysis of his comment, I think some people are taking that a bit too far. He didn't deny he had issues, and has come out and said this was his worst season. Do you really think he'd feel he's fine, if he feels this was his worst season? It's pretty obvious though that his job will be on the line this year, maybe that will be motivation, maybe it won't. One thing's for sure, it's put up or shut up time for Teddy.
God these threads are starting to make me sick. No matter who has anything negative to say about Ginn, instead of discussing the article the apologists come in and try to discredit the person making the statement or what was said. Get over it, please. Come into a thread and take the topic for what its worth and please leave your Ginn flavored lip gloss at the door.
It's not Royal's fault. It's the QB, no it's the gardener(grass cut to long), no it's they widened the field, no its his shoes are wore out, no it's..............
Funniest part is Duper talking about route running. What was Duper's favorite route? The fly. He would give a step to the inside, cut it back to the sideline, and then dart down the field. All Dan had to do was put it out there. Duper was not a great route runner, but he got a couple of yards between himself and the defender and didn't drop the ball. Duper was explosive coming off the snap. I don't think Ginn has that explosion. He has the speed, but he often needs to build up to it. At times it looks as if he is lazy coming of the snap because of that lack of explosion. Also, it makes him easy to jam up and frustrate...which is one thing Sam Mad mentioned about him. Just sayin...
Boy, if that's the case, there is zero doubt Ginn should never have been drafted in the first round. As far as the rest, its beyond rediculous. I am feeling more and more confident that we will pick up a pretty good WR, part ways with Ginn and never look back. Ginn's issues are many. He is not going to be able to make it on speed alone. He has too many issues to overcome. If it was just a concentration issue, that might be fixable, and maybe not. IF the FO decides to keep him around, I feel pretty confident it will be for KR and a much diminished role as WR. For the last 3 years its been "He just needs to fix this" and "he just needs to fix that". Well, I see many of the same lingering issues he started with, plus an entirely new list of things. - And yes, he either isn't working hard enough, or isn't getting results, either way, he is NOT improving.
People are silly about Ginn. He hasn't lived up to, or shown signs of living up to a #9 pick. No one is arguing that. But, some of you really seem to miss the point. Not everyone is going to be a pro bowler at every position on the roster. That doesn't mean they get cut. All Ginn has to do to make the team and be a effective contributor is play like he did the last half of the season. We need someone to do what he did. And if he can improve? That's just gravy at this point. The mistake has been made, we should have gone another direction, we didn't. We've missed before and will again, the draft is like that. He is a player that gives us something we need now. He isn't a number one. Get over it. Letting him go just opens another hole to be filled. We need to worry about the holes we have now, not make new ones.
it works both ways. I think everyone should start checking themselves and their own opinions rather then trying to call out the haters or the apologists, because frankly I've seen lunacy from both sides.
We still need to give him time. You cannot teach speed. He is not a #1 WR, but he has value to our team. If we can land a #1 and make someone else the focus of the passing game Ginn will also produce. As a #2 or #3 receiver he may flourish. We are not going to find a #1 and replace Ginn this off season. I love Hartline, Bess, Camarillo....but none of them would be #2's on any of the current playoff teams. Lets land a #1 and see how Ginn improves. I would love to see him continue as a KR as well.
Comparing Royal to Ginn isn't a good comparison. Royal played hurt, he was banged up, missed two games, and plays ST on both sides of the ball, the guy played when most wouldn't. He is a tough kid. And yes, I would trade Ginn straight up for Royal.
