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Paul Pasquolini FIRED!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Section126, Jan 11, 2010.

  1. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I know thats whats odd about the whole thing.....just throwing this out there, but what was Tom Cable before the Raiders HC?? I like him for some reason (not the beating of wives), and given the talent the Raiders werent that bad in defense.
     
  2. padre31

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    Oline coach?

    Al Groh is like 6th on my list to be DC, he may have worked with Tuna before, his defenses were never really that good, we need a more dynamic guy.
     
  3. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    yeah he is career O-Line coach......strike my last entry Pads....

    Who do u have on your list of 6....
     
  4. jupiterfin

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    I'm sure, in certain situations, the "cloud" may be an effective defense, but it seems, IMO, that offenses were able to adjust, fairly quickly, to it and were able to exploit it's weakness. An example was used here, that in the Saint's game, Brees was caught off guard by it. Unfortunaley that only lasted for 1 half of the game, untill the Saint's defense adjusted and threw up an ugly number of points on us.

    Could you give some examples of the exotic looks and blitz packages Pasqualoni was employing? From my untrained eyes, it seemed that most of our pressure situations and QB blitzes were pretty bland, consisting of Taylor, Porter and Wake trying to bull rush themselves around a tackle. Which isn't very intricate or exotic, IMO.
     
  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He was only DC for 1 yr in NY. That unit was top 10. The rest of his DC resume was with Parcells on a rebuilding Patriots team. The Pats went to the Super Bowl with him as the DC in he and Parcells final season there. The year before Parcells/Groh arrived, the Pats D gave up 363 points. In his first season as DC they allowed 286 points, which I'd take any day. That figure is even more impressive when you figure in the Pats were a minus 12 on TO ratio. The next season Groh's defense had 40 takeaways and gave up 312 points. The 1995 unit was his one hiccup in NE as they allowed 377 points and had 29 takeaways. The team overall was a -7 on TO ratio and scored just 294 points. In 1996 he coached the D that went to the SB. They allowed 313 points and had 34 takeaways.

    In his 5 seasons as an NFL DC just the 1995 unit could be considered poor.
     
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  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    A great NT is far from a grunt. In fact, a great NT is the linchpin of the defense. I don't know that Cody will be great, but NT is one of the single most important positions on the field. Granted they aren't a sexy pick.
     
  7. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Word!


    You can pretty well bank that a team with Parcells influence will look to the trenches early most drafts, because that is where games are won and lost. Bill Belichick took that MO to heart as well, when one looks at the number of linemen he drafted early in NE. Just off the top of my head: Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, and Mankins. Last year, Brace in the early 2nd as well.
     
  8. padre31

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    Important in the 3-4, as important as the 2 Olb's we will need? Or the ILB? Or the safety?

    How about a Wr who can be a #1?
     
  9. padre31

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    And they have not won a SB since 2004, meanwhile the Steelers have won 2, their highest draft pick on the dline was Casey Hampton at #19..
     
  10. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    i say we hire chan gailey as our d coord.
     
  11. bluehaze

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    First off, Duh. Second off [mod] stay on topic, post about the thread, not other posters[/mod] most would want him back as our OC. Third off, since it obviously can't happen why start an argument about it?
     
  12. Killerphins

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    well since he led the CFL in sacks for two years we should crown him a sack master in the nfl :no:

    look i like wake and he does have potential as a pass rusher
    we know he has to play with his hand on the ground because he is one dimensional
    all that looks like he would be a prime candidate to play DE
    but that doesn't prove he can do it full time
    the guy played sparingly this season and showed some promise here and there but we saw times when he was completely taken out of plays
    you would want to change the scheme for a guy like that or a guy like Taylor who's better days are behind him
    switching back to a 4-3 may be the flavor of the moment but the transition isnt as sweet as everyone thinks
    we will still have to draft guys that fit that scheme too
    there will be endless *****ing and moaning if it happens and fails
     
  13. DOLFANMIKE

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    LOL. Uh, that wouldn't be a Pasq feature Dolfan. That's a Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, and modern day NFL feature. It's easily the fastest growing scheme in football in coverage schemes and isn't going anywhere anytime soon!:up:
     
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  14. MrPaul13

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    Of course he ranked right behind Starks,Taylor and Porter in sacks despite limited playing time
     
  15. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I posted that because I've seen way too many calls for Cam Cameron's genius to come back to Miami. If you look under my avatar picture you'll see "Reality Check". That being said I'm trying to get people off a subject that isn't going to happen, and get back to what the thread is. Believe me I laugh when I see some of the playful post on here, but you can tell the guys/gals are meaning it as a joke. The people who continuously call for Cam Cameron to come here, are actually serious (which is shocking to me), and would like to actually see him here again (equally shocking to me).

    [mod] Please stay on topic, don't post about other posters please[/mod]
     
  16. DOLFANMIKE

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    If you watched all our games I'm sure you remember us blitzing both Wilson and Bell (Saftey Bitz combo's) and CB's N.Jones and W. Allen both blitzed from Corner spots too. We were actually pretty good at bringing pressure from various areas on the field.
     
  17. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Take Zimmer off the board.....

    NFL.com's Steve Wyche reports that defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer has re-signed with the Bengals.
     
  18. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    sure, and then we draft tim tebow to play next to crowder.
     
  19. LandShark13

    LandShark13 New Member

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    I posted that guy's defensive rankings when he was Def Cord and s I posted not to impressive. If we're going to replace someone lets get a clear upgrade. :knucks:
     
  20. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Agreed brother man.
     
  21. jupiterfin

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    Hmmm, that's interesting, cause I did watch all the games and I do remember some blitzes from the DB's. Not many though.

    Acording to http://www.nfl.com/teams/miamidolphins/statistics?team=MIA ,

    Miami's DB's, Bell, Jones and Wilson combined for a yearly sack total of 3 1/2 sacks. For all 3 of them.

    Miami's LB's, 7 different LB's, combined for 26 1/2 sacks.

    Miami's D-line combined for 13 1/2 sacks for the year.

    I'm not saying Miami didn't run blitzes from the DB's, I'm just saying they sucked, and the numbers back me up.
     
  22. Disgustipate

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    And the adjustment had nothing to do with the defense, and had everything to do with them going largely to I-Form/2-TE sets and taking advantage of the safeties.

    The overwhelming amount of defense among any team is going to be the same old stuff.

    http://profootballfocus.com/cstats.php?tab=by_team&season=2009&teamid=17&stype=a&stats=d

    Looking briefly at that, you can see a fair amount of defensive back blitzes, especially from Nathan Jones.

    You can also note zone blitz stuff(Which is undercounted here).
     
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  23. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    naive to think Parcells would fire a major piece before knowing who was the replacement
    they're not beating the bush trying to shake down an available DC, they already have one
    will be announced when they are ready to part with the information, not a moment before
     
  24. DOLFANMIKE

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    Actually, you did say they didn't run them (exotic blitz packages), and I corrected you and the numbers do back me up. You listed the blitz schemes you had seen and did not mention any DB blitz packages so I corrected you. Thanks for taking the time this time to find some numbers that backed up my correction.
     
  25. jupiterfin

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    3.5 sacks for the defensive backs through 16 games. If those are the numbers produced from the "exotic" blitz packages that you speak of, than I'd rather not run them.

    What I originally said was that the majority of the blitzes I witnessed, were run from the linebackers, and the 26 1/2 sacks produced from that unit prove that they were put in position to sack the QB alot more than any other unit on the field. Now, if you want to research each of those sacks and see which ones were the result of a DB coming up from the back and pressuring the QB into the direction of a LB, than I'll give credit where it's due. Untill then, I will stand by my original assesment that the majority of Pasqualonis defensive pressures and blitzes, came from the linebackers and were predictable to other teams.
     
  26. NJFINSFAN1

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  27. LandShark13

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    Dude I feel you BUT. The fact that we don't have a replacement already named makes this reek of NOT being planned. So it still remains a real possibility that something ensued between Sparano and Pas that led to his dismissal.
     
  28. Killerphins

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    now that Zimmer has been resigned by the Bengals that throws away most hope of seeing any kind of 4-3 even if it would have been a hybrid defense
     
  29. RoninFin4

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  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    If you were a Steelers fan when they drafted Hampton would you have bemoaned the pick as being just a grunt rather than a high profile skill position player? If you would have supported the pick of Hampton at #19, why would you be down about us picking a NT at #12? When was the last time our team took a DL in the top 20? I can't recall us picking a DT or DE that high since Gardener in 1996 who was 20th overall.
     
  31. NJFINSFAN1

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    Gardener in 1996 and Tim Bowens in 1994, and they worked out pretty well.
     
  32. bluehaze

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    I spose anythings possible but I really think the reason they canned him so fast is because they are trying to get Crenell before he signs with KC its just to big of a deal to go and fire your DC on a spur of the moment due to some disagreement.
     
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  33. LandShark13

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    Right but wouldn't you think that they would at the very least have a handshake deal done before they fire a coach? The closest analogy I can think of would be quitting a job because you think you might get a job that you didn't even apply for. Anyway this whole thing seems like its going to play out with us signing Groh. So IMO no real upgrade.
     
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  34. bluehaze

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    Not really I mean how do you go about hiring a DC while you still have one employed that is your friend of many years...that would seem really shady and I don't think they are going to handle things that way. I'm sure they all like and respect the guy they have been with him for several years in Dallas before they came here.

    It's hard to speculate but I think they've talked to Crenell already mainly because it all seemed set for Crenell to sign with KC then all of a sudden PP get's fired and now Crenell is waiting til after the east-west shrine bowl to accept KC's offer something just seems fishy there...but who knows...like I say it's all speculation which really means nothing but it's fun to sleuth every once in awhile.
     
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  35. LandShark13

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    Well bottom line is neither of us knows for sure. But here is my thinking, Why fire Paul P unless you know who your going to replace him with? Granted Paul P only has 2 years as a DC but his first year wasn't that bad really. His second one didn't go so well. One of the Achilles heals of his defense though was his secondary and the amount of long plays they gave up. Well he had 2 rookies at CB to deal with and was forced to play with two Strong safety's. really not his fault.

    I'm not making excuses for him and I am all for an upgrade any ANY position. Why fire him unless you know you have an upgrade lined up?

    Any way bro I appreciate the discussion. I'm just here scratching my head like the rest of ya wondering what the heck is going on lol =)
     
  36. finyank13

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    no he isnt....

    Romeo Crennel has agreed to join the Chiefs, confirms Adam Caplan of Scout.com.
     
  37. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Link??
     
  38. finyank13

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  39. finyank13

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    its official....

    Romeo Crennel has been named the Chiefs' new defensive coordinator, reports Jason LaCanfora of NFL.com.
     
  40. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I'd promote Bowles or hire Jim Mora.
     

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