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Howard had a case for DPOTY... TJ Watt was almost a lock

TJ Watt needs to start giving people upper deckers.

Allen was **** his rookie year... Does anyone think he suck* now? LOL Why is it that Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Allen all got a pass as rookies but...

What? LMAO Lack of skills? There is a twitter video of Tua hitting Gator in stride and the football is thrown perfectly almost 60 yards in the...

Nah... I do not think Tua is given enough credit for the fact that he was a rookie with no off-season or pre-season to prepare. He was throwing...

Brad, I agree Tua was better in year one... The point was that when you abandon the QB you just drafted by getting someone else you weaken your...

Okay Here is the flaw in your logic... I am not trying to tear you apart I promise. But if we trade for Watson and still have Tua What that...

If anyone wins the 700 million dollar jackpot I expect them to share with the rest of us... LOL... I would.

Galant Just good football talk man

What matters is making the playoffs. We all love the improvement and we won 10 games... but not making the playoffs stings. Next year we will...

Agreed.. Ross has money... and zero football IQ

Except that Henry increased his effectiveness by something like 50% because of tannehill over Mariotta Your statements ignore this for your own...

I do not want to criticise or diminish Watson in any way... I think the kid is great... But yes there is a lot to the statement that a lot of...

Galant Howard was our MVP last year... Jones played like warmed up dog food out there. Until Iggy shows that he can be a primary corner instead...

Iggy was the youngest player in the NFL last year... I am willing to be patient with him. Trust Flores and his coaching and development ability....

Greg I was simply looking at the splits of Henry's numbers last year with Mariota as the starter and then with Tannehill... I would have to go...

More than that For decades we over spent to get known players to come here and they seldom panned out. Wallace, Suh... Flores is a scheme and...

Greg As stated last year... Henry's numbers were lackluster before Tannehill became the starter... They exploded once he took over... So Henry...

So let me get this straight. We are drafting better Coaching players up developing more talent we bring in We just won the most football games...

Anything can happen in one game... The point is that Tannehill played out of his mind to get them to the playoffs... So yeah in the AFC...

Is Henry the clear cut best RB in the NFL? Also tannehill beat mahomes last year late in the season and gave them a good game in the playoffs....

Brad I am making an assumption here I will clearly state that. based on the fact that I strongly feel that if a team was offered when the...

Brad It is not the first time a team has made a huge trade... but the game changes all of the time the cap the finances the CBA the draft... 5...

A huge part of the Rams trade was that the Lions took the bad contract of Goff. So in that sense they did not overpay by much. Goff was...

I like this move.... Why? Because I trust Flores completely. I suspect strongly that both of these coaches have a strong repore with Flores and...

My point is that the whole league thought it was insanity what Washington did... And it did not work out for them. No team has overpaid that...

Galant We do not have the resources to have Tua sit on the bench and be able to pay a king's ransom for Watson. That is why I clearly stated...

We have a first round QB.... If the Texans do not like Tua then there is little chance we can make a deal... We cannot give up say three first...

If the Texans are not willing to give us the equivalent of a first round pick for Tua then there is no way to make the trade work... IMHO

/////////////// Flounder there is a scale... Like when you are a baseball prospect and they rate your fastball on a scale from 1-8.. If you...

No If the trade is between Miami and Houston they will get Tua and that will be the QB of their future.

I think the lions are at #7 and the Panthers are at #8? I could have them mixed up though?

Panthers are likely at 8....

I am not going to make excuses for him either next year if we get Humphrey and bring in a RB and a wideout to help the offense out... If he does...

Dude, I did not say he had a cannon like Tannehill or Rodgers. Just because I did not say that... Does not mean his arm has to be weak. Most...

Good players learn from mistakes... If Tua uses the Buffalo game as a lesson and it motivates him to work harder... I do not see a limit to what...

Clearly, they should not exist... Because his arm is, as you know, weak... (O;

Also Tua's arm is as strong as Burrows... and nobody is doubting that he will become a clear franchise QB

Except that Brees was a top 3 QB most of his life... Had he not been hurt this year he had numbers per game to be considered in the top 6 or 7 as...

I will be the first to admit that while I liked Herbert... I did not think he would this good.... Especially right out of the gate. It helped he...

The thing is that Tannehill is now very close to Elite. Top 5 QB's in the NFL right now 1. Rodgers 2. Mahomes 3. Watson 4. Wilson 5. Allen...

Oh I agree... It was very easy to see the biggest difference when Fitz came in was he trusted Gesicki and Parker to go get the ball to win...

I mentioned it before in this thread with Tua... but I love the term that you used... "NFL OPEN" Well done.

Like Brad, I would love to see more yards per pass... Obviously... So many variables on that though.... What routes are our receivers running......

Greg I think it important to look at Tua before he got benched in his first 8 starts he has 10 touchdowns and 2 picks... He was very good with...

We do not need to see massive improvement. Tua had more than 2 touchdowns for every pick on a bad offensive football team as a rookie. He...

Trust me... LMAO... I remember the massive Tannehill meltdowns on here... and the fact that Guy changed his argument like 17 times... each time...

Except... You fail to take into consideration The Dolphins did not have decent receivers for much of the year... Parker was out or playing hurt...

Compared to Tannehill, Rodgers, Allen, Herbert etc... Drew Brees arm looks below average.... Nobody ever says a damned thing about his arm......

For me one of the things I liked the most about Tua is how excited the team was to have him start. The work he puts in through the week and at...

Arm strength is nice and all. But Tannehill has a cannon ... and when he was a Dolphin the usual suspects said he was not worthy of building...

I hate that idea...LOL Do not want bellicheat to have a top 3 NFL qb

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/texans-reportedly-have-hefty-price-in-mind-to-start-deshaun-watson-trade-talks-014418649.html Reports are that the...

Watson is special and he makes Gesicki and Parker better just stepping on the field. They could sign a slot guy like Samuel and draft Humphrey...

No In those games Fitz like I said trusted Gesicki and Parker to go get the football. There were a couple of times he found Gesicki downfield......

I am all for keeping Tua... And building the sh*t out of this team.... This is just a bunch of guys sitting around the watercooler... While our...

I still like fields... Just prefer Lance... Since the time the kid picked up a football he has made plays. He had this uncanny knack of not...

I see the lions going after someone like Trey Lance who could use a year of development... Athletically he is as talented as any Qb in this...

We need a lot of things.... That does not have anything to do with the trade value of Watson. The Texans would be brain dead to accept just a...

3 first and 3 seconds .... I think that is a little insane. I mean I would love to see the Dolphins fleece them that badly... I do not see it...

More than the injury.... We did not have receivers that were open.... One of the differences with Fitz was that he was trusting Parker and Gesicki...

Watt is great against the run... I want him out there to stop the runs as much as pass rush on all downs.

Henry has always been a monster... It is worth noting that he was a lot more effective once the Titans had a QB playing well for them though. I...

I cannot watch the games for you... There were times Tua struggled I am not arguing that. There were also times when he was seeing things on the...

It is not a strong deal for the texans... No way I see the texans doing that unless. We send the #3, and the #18... plus a first next year......

The second someone wants to give up 4 first round picks... Watson gets traded.... simple as that

Tua has shown plenty... He looked a little rattled late... But we saw him make great reads.... We saw him throw to his second and third option...

bbq It will likely cost 4 first round picks or 3 Plus tua to land Watson

Texan Yes you have a point... but Elite players every year come from the draft outside of a top 5 pick If we trust Flores and his coaches to...

I agree completely.

MLB You bring up a great point.... Neither of those teams got over the hump.... As special as both of those players are... They are not a...

thank you

LOL Buffalo does have amazing fans.

by the way? I noticed the typo in the thread title... I did not decipher as to how to correct the spelling mistake Help?

Brad If you can squeeze a couple of extra picks out Washington like a third this year and a second next year.... So be it. As to your other...

you may well be correct.... His loss... (O;

Brad When you have the best QB in the NFL.... The fastest wideout in the NFL... a top 3 Tight end and a solid running game... ( not to mention a...

... Well that is still worth the gamble... get to the dance and tell the DJ to throw on some music.

Hey Guy Long time.. Not sure but your post is blank on my screen? LOL

I am not sure the Lions move up now... Maybe they like Goff? I was all in for trading back with the Lions... talked about it a bunch on another...

CBrad I think they had to do something. The relationship and confidence with Goff was fractured. They will have a top 5 defense next year......

Yeah the picks had to be spread out until 2023 I think... That devalues the return some. But for the lions who are clearly in rebuild mode I do...

I say this because look what Stafford just brought... Goff and a pair of first round picks plus a throw in pick. Watson is worth double this.

And I have stated since the first whisper of a trade rumour for Watson that the asking price and value would be 4 first round picks. I feel you...

Cbrad Long time man... Cheers. I agree in part... Watson is so special that he elevates average receivers. If we had to deal Tua and say 3...

If we are going to promote from within I could see the pick being Studes...

Yes This is exactly what I am talking about. Stafford is a quality QB... But Watson is clearly better and 7 years younger. If this is...

Watson is worth 4 first-round picks. Simple as that Seahawks and Bears both gave up 2 first-round picks to get defensive players. ( Mack and...

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-washington-open-trading-more-020110722.html This makes me laugh... I would hope to God that the Texans get...

I could see it being a case of waiting to after the superbowl

I am still open to taking a wide receiver in the first.... And I would still ink a wide receiver as a free agent. ( Davis and Robinson are the two...

What part of Canada?

Did not know that the person that built fin heaven built this site.... Interesting.

Yes I want them to continue to draft well... That being said We cannot fill all of our needs all at once and some draft picks do not pan out......

Lost my train of thought...... nevermind... LOL

I vote Canada.

We have the money.... It is short term and does not create dead cap Watt would instantly fix the gaping hole against the run and he would be our...

We have the cap... No reason not to send the Texans a third round pick This draft we are going after a RB ( Harris or Etienne) and a Wideout (...

At 18... yeah... I personally do not think he lasts past the steelers. I think they draft 16th?

If the money was not insane... **** yes.... He can ball.. Let him ball for us and Tua

For a third round pick JJ Watt would be our best linebacker Van Ginkel Lawson and Ogbah would have an easier time out there.... It makes...

I appreciate that you just meant to debunk his comments with actual talk about the game and the situations. The fact that it blew him out of the...

Thank you from everyone not named Guy on this board. Again he proves he does not watch the games and does not know what happened... He is looking...

ask Buffalofinfan LMAO

Rosen may or may not be garbage.... With Tannehill he got consistent playing time over a few year period where we could see improvement Rosen has...

Here is a great exercise Guy admit you were wrong Stop moving goal posts And let's move on

Where do you want to plant the goal posts Guy? Pick a spot Stick with it Otherwise you are just trolling.

We paid almost nothing for Rosen and the Cardinals are paying almost all of his salary. It is a no lose low risk move. That said the team was a...

Guy You do not seem to get it that you have been called out for changing your argument. First you said that he was garbage or some version of...

Yeah the 31 is a one year deal... When they offered him 34 over a year ago it was a long term contract. He turned it down and stated it was...

Resnor I am starting to think that Guy is just playing games on here at this point.

Dak turned down 34 million over a year ago... He wants 40

We just do not know yet. Rosen was put in a terrible position and took a beating... Not the kind of thing you want a young inexperienced QB to go...

Thank you for your admission... It helps! I will say that there was a three year period where Tannehill pre knee injury was on the cusp of being...

Surely they are sharpening up their ice Skates in Hell and getting ready for a game of Hockey because if you are calling someone Contrarian it...

Ding Ding Ding Ding

Cherry pick that.

Pucker up sweetheart..... and kiss the center of my a*shole Seems like you are fixated on it.

I like Fitzmagic just fine... More than his stat sheet he was the MVP of the team last year because of his leadership... He took a beating...

I did look at the age of the QB... The season in which they both turned 26. Thanks for playing.

I think one of the things we need to look at and take away from Mahomes and the situation in KC.. Is that They had a veteran QB in Smith who was...

CBrad You have no idea what my reasons and motivations are for determining to pick the season in which they both turned 26 years of age. You are...

Great article.

I read those reports also... But in fairness... Jackson refused to run at the combine... Hurts ran but he was slow... much slower than he ran at...

Hurts was one of my favourite players in the draft... .In no universe can he read defenses like Tua can.. In no universe can he go to his second...

Great teams and great coaches like the Ravens identify the talents of their players and put them in the best possible scenarios to be successful....

Point is Hurts was very restricted running a true RPO at Bama... He goes to Oklahoma and they expect him to step in and do what Mayfield and...

Hurts went to Oklahoma and Ran the Air Raid which is a type of west coast offense... Used in the NFL.... Hurts proved he can handle an NFL offense.

I would take that bet also.... Higher than 17th... Hell yes

Please read the parameters again... I will state it for the third time. The season in which they both turned 26! Whether you like it or not.......

Brad Dude, I did a simple age apples to apples... The season in which they turned 26 Deal with it or not. Not a ton of variables... Just looking...

No... I do not want to use the age before the season. Do not put words in my mouth thank you very much. If someone was born in August and...

Dude Because I explained this if you took the time to read... I looked at the seasons in which Rodgers and Tannehill turned 26. Not their age...

CBrad I think one difference is that you are attempting to take one apples to apples comparison and change it into another. I tried to look at...

CBrad I am all for adjustments for Eras... But The season I quoted from Tannehill was before 2016... As resnor stated if this was a pre 2007 and...

The main point was to show that at the same age without an ideal situation around him Tannehill matched Rodgers. I mention this because you have...

Another thing to remember with Rodgers... He sat on the bench 3 seasons after being drafted and was mentored by a hall of fame QB He had a Hall of...

Brady is now old ... He is surrounded by a ton of talent... But no way the coaching can compare.

Brady won a lot of games due to being led by the greatest head coach to ever live. I have always thought Brady was overrated because of this.

OkAY I am the biggest Hurts fan on the planet... I love him more than his mother. That being said Tua is a pure pocket passer with great field...

I cannot imagine what gase did to help Tannehill other than be so horrible as a coach that he appreciates every day of his life not having to be...

No you have made argument after argument that Tannehill got lucky, or he merely beneffited from Henry. Then when that got disproven you switched...

Obviously I have been following along... I am not however going to lower myself to argue the same proven points on here with you 137 times over...

Guy is like a three year old at this point refusing to stop stomping his feet.

This is what I was talking about... Yes, there are a lot of plays where Tua just threw it to the first read. But we are talking about...

I am also excited about the free agents... all of them were outstanding signings. I did not see us going out and getting a corner... But we got a...

Where in South Carolina are you?

For years we have seen our top draft picks leave Miami and suddenly have much better success. I believe that Flores showed us something special...

He has all around skills and is very athletic. He was not on my radar, but he is a great player and will be a great fit for this defense.

Holy Guacamole. Are you going to pretend getting out of Miami and away from Adam Gase and one of the worst O lines in football do not matter?...

I always thought that Charles Clay would have been dynamite as a Fullback.. Where there were plays designed for him... and he got his number...

I have seen Tua in games look off a defender and I have seen games where he does not throw to the primary target... So he definitely has the...

Well back in the day... Guys like Emmit Smith became stars because they had a hall of fame blocking fullback in front of them. There is a place...

When you look and see ruggs has two steps on the defender you throw them the football..

I am not going to blame the QB for not making multiple reads when their first read a star is wide open.

You are not wrong. One thing I did notice is that Tua did not make a second read on most of these highlights... He looked and the receiver was...

Henry's numbers increased by 50% when Tannehill became the starter... But Guy only talks about how Tannehill benefitted from Henry

And everyone here has given Henry credit for that. You have not given Tannehill credit for taking control of the game and allowing the Titans to...

Ask everyone else if I am following along well enough to understand? Go on I can wait. LOL

Again you move the goal posts. Tannehill kills it in the regular season Guy: what about numbers in playoffs. A conversation breaks out about...

Stop just lying The post you replied was honest... The previous poster is not saying that Henry did not carry the ball 30 times or whatever the...

That was why I brought this point up.... He was playing fantastic at the end of the season It is not like he only had 10 great games in him

Cbrad this was awesome. I wonder if you took the ten games Tannehill started and calculated the exact number of yards touchdowns passer rating...

Pauly There are a few paths to the hall.... A full season where he has a rating of 117 with 35 touchdowns 10 picks 4300 yards.... 8 rushing...

Yeah because Pat White turned out to be absolutely golden..... *Facepalms*

We also call it the cuzzif Cuzz if it wasn't there, her guts would fall out.

We call that the taint in Canada.... Taint *******, Taint *****

Vrabel is pretty clever.... Like when he beat Bellicheck taking those penalties for delay of the game to chew up all of the clock and there was...

Pump the brakes on the hall of fame talk. I think Tannehill has 6 or 7 good to great years left... Even on a team that runs the ball and protects...

Someone refusing to admit they were wrong? Nah you must be mistaken... LOL

You have no idea....*drama*

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Hoping we get some new blood in here... LOL

The dolphins brought in a couple of lesser signings over the offseason guys that are absolute special teams monsters... The special teams play is...

Merrit athletically is elite. No questions at all about what a stud he is in that regard... Growing up getting his **** together and turning that...

Alex The problem with the last 6 or 7 games is that Fitz was the absolute leader of the team... There was no way Rosen was going to start no...

As long as I get my Tua Jersey before the start of the season I will be happy. LOL

Well it is easy for Fitzmagic for a few reasons. 17 years experience. Fitz is smart... He did not go to college at a party school He went to an...

I am torn on Hunt... It would be amazing if he can be a tackle... But if it comes down to the difference and the decision... Of being an average...

This is a fair point. However not all game experience is equal... On a great team late in a game when you have a lead giving a QB snaps is...

I am not pissed.... Perplexed.... I mean WTF dude.... Give it up while you are behind.... LOL

This!!!!! Thank you Thank you Thank you. I have tried several times to tell Guy that Tannehill's low passing games came from extreme efficiency...

I know... I admire your tenacity... I only have so much energy and attention I can throw at someone who is never going to listen or admit what...

I will admit I was not talking about him before the draft. I had a list of players I thought that fit our needs. I would have drafted...

You cannot interpret information with Bias. I have told Guy several times... He keeps looking for information to support his Bias... He is not...

The problem is that even though this post and stat line destroys every point Guy is trying to make... He will not admit he is wrong. He is...

Guy Dude There were games Tannehill won last year because he threw and he ran and it was not because of Henry.

For the record I would like to see Rosen out there to see if there is any improvement. I do not want the coaches to just play him. Play him...

Guy You can flip the same coin to the other side... If the Qb play is below average... The defense will just key in on the running game to win....

Great points, great post.... 100% agree. To make those plays consistently... To read defenses at the line and call his own plays... To be that...

He is a year older... a year wiser... Time has passed and trust has been established with coaches. There is a healthy working relationship......

I think the time Flores and coaches have had to work with Rosen last year when he was not starting will help him tremendously. Fitz has played...

The problem with this Resnor is that Guy keeps citing Russell Wilson who has not had 3 head coaches and 5 OC's in his first 7 years in the NFL....

I think if anything Rosen benefitted from failing last season. He got to work on his game and to learn the system. The Miami coaches praised...

Rafael It is an interesting argument that Fitz being a veteran was able to make adjustments to his game easier than Rosen to get the football out...

Tons of stats and information have been presented to you... You just keep ignoring it. ( Because it disproves your personal opinion. )

I do not see Fitz playing more than 2 years max. This is his last season with Miami. And honestly... If Rosen looks good in Camp/Preseason... I...

Russell Wilson has played on great teams almost his entire NFL career. He came into the league with an elite dominating Running back. Seattle has...

It is interesting that a talented highly touted first round pick like Rosen was thrown to the Wolves last year on the worst O line in football.....

Guy I am not sure why you are going back to the Russell Wilson well over and over... Tannehill is a mobile QB that did an excellent job of using...

The great thing about igbinoghene is that he can play man or press. He is fast and physical. For the people that criticise this pick saying it...

And speaking of an excellent point made by Resnor I think When comparing Wilson and Tannehill. Not all throws are equal... Tannehill led the...

I have been trying to get Guy to admit to this for months. The play action does not work if the passing game is not legit. Defenses have to...

Guy will move the goal posts and say this does not matter...

Fitzmagic's best season in the NFL arguably was under Gailey.... 30 touchdowns. I think the spread is fine for the players and the skillsets we...

And as to the post about the slot cornerback More and more we are seeing hybrid defenses... Flores is a master of this. More and more we are...

Dude It has been long established in this thread... over and over and over... Ryan Tannehill today is a better QB than Ryan Tannehill was in...

Having track speed helps... Game speed is what matters how fast do you play in gear with the football? The guy can run and play.... Being a guy...

Guy What were Tannehill's numbers this past season in games where he had 31-40 attempts.... Hmmm? Over 72% completion and a passer rating over...

Flores had his hands in this draft... It is a very different draft than we have seen from Grier in the past.

I would think the offer would be more than a 7th You do not even waste someone's time calling them to take a 7th for a player that makes nothing...

This kid is a great player... I think everyone is going to be surprised how good he really is... And to think on this team he will be fighting to...

No brainer on Warford. This gives our O line a chance to turn into something special. There will be some growing pains... But this locks in...

I would love for Rosen playing this year and shining.... He deserves that chance... Miami would have plenty of trade offers if Rosen plays well......

Agreed... No excitement until pick three Do the Chargers trade up to #3.... and grab Tua

All the trade up to #3 was bull**** anyways. You never tell anyone what you intend to do. For example you do not warn someone you are going to...

Why trade for Watson when we can Draft Tua... Or Love or Herbert or Hurts??? and keep that draft pick. Watson is expensive. and he has already...

Okay ...Nah I just tried to think of something.... Pass... LOL

Watching CBS online.... I loathe ESPN

I certainly care. I am not a big fan of the most important draft of my Dolphins fan life... Being dependent on someone's ability to get off of...

Gotta get it started sometime.... Good thread... Good instincts

I mean If the Texans offered something stupid like a second round this year... a second round next year... and a lower throw in Sure Otherwise...

Marino was strung out on Coke when he took the Wonderlic What is Tua's excuse?

Treat everything as a lie.... Everything

NO If they want an O lineman that bad.... Offer up a second and move up from 18 to 13 and Grab Becton

Okay name some better please

Lawrence is the best QB prospect in over 20 years... No way there will be a trade up for Lawrence....

Luck retired for other reasons 1. He is rich, and smart enough to be a brain surgeon. Because he is good with his money he knows that at the...

And as for garbage time arguments... Oklahoma only scored 7 points in the 4th quarter so it is not like they scored a bunch late to make it...

Rick Hurts at times did struggle... No question... But he made a couple of great throws that were dropped for touchdowns also... When you look at...

To be fair.. LSU beat Tua LSU beat Lawrence And in the game against Oklahoma a couple of easy touchdowns were dropped So yeah Hurts did not...

Holy crap... No offense... Mims is going to be drafted in the first round. Wirfs in the top 10 I love all of these players... But there is no...

He lives and breathes by the strawman

I have Mims ranked 3rd on the WR list.

Guy When Foles is healthy he has been very good. The problem is that he only has 48 starts for his career. It is not that he cannot play Post...

Love Nick Foles. Foles battled through injuries and then went to another team... But he came back elevated his level of play won a superbowl......

I like Gibson and I would use him as a hybrid... Slot receiver.. part time running back... sometimes he lines up outside.. Move him all over the...

So Dobbins is 250 pounds and can power through for tough yards? One of the reasons I like Dillon is that for a man of his size his acceleration...

Guy Even if you want to put an asterisk next to it Go ahead... 4th highest QB rating of all time. Higher than Brady when he had Welker and...

I would far rather have the guy that lacks the elite track star top speed to have the agility and the acceleration where we need it in the trenches.

Dillon's speed is just fine.... Where he shines is the first 2-3 steps...He can out accelerate defenders and run away from linebackers... No he is...

Alex I appreciate his tenacity in some ways... But you lose a lot of credibility if you have to make so many different arguments... and one by...

Sidenote If you have to change the basis of your argument and cling to statistical data only to abandon it once disproven... after 137...

You are assuming it HAS to be one of those things... And you speak of Bias? You WANT it to be one of those things because that is what you are...

Except that Tannehill is now one of the most accurate QB's in all of the NFL... and last season he thrived under pressure... 4th highest QB rating...

Of course if we miss out on one of the top 4 or 5 QB's in the class at a value when we pick them I am all for taking Hurts, Gordon, or Flacco...

If a reasonable situation exists for us to take a QB.... Sure. Three first round picks + for Burrow... No Moving up for Tua... No Herbert or Love...

I want the back we land to be Dillon.... I am a broken record at this point... Do not care. 250 pound back runs like he is 225... Great cut...

Guy Last year the Miami Dolphins had the worst point total differential in the league.... They were dead last. It is arguable that they were the...

yeah because Tannehill just chocked under the pressure in Tennessee... (Face Palm)

Not a big fan of Kiper either.... I am not sure why he has a job on Television.

Foles is pretty athletic and does run pretty well for a QB... Big arm... Like I said I see a lot of Foles in Herbert. That is praise actually....

Guy The Dolphins suck... They have sucked for a long time... This is a team that makes the playoffs once a decade as a wild card... and on those...

Thank you

No I saw that.... It is just the pictures or files that do not show up at the end.... Just icons with big red X through them... Weird.

I am not sure why you singled Buffalo out... Everyone has been participating in this thread... It has been by far the most active. Honestly, it...

Buffalo Who was the poster you reconnected with from the other message board?

I see a lot of Nick Foles in Herbert Big tall kid with the undeniable arm. Also in College Foles was the best player on his team and he won...

Tannehill is better than Carson Wentz

Moose This was taken from an article on ESPN... So it may have been worked ambiguously... Perhaps they looked at total points scored and did not...

No I think when the team sucks... They are in bad shape with the cap.... You need to pull the plug.. and start over... No matter what players are...

From the moment Tannehill took over as the starter the Titans were the #2 scoring offense in football behind the Ravens. This has been discussed...

Two Cents... I am not seeing your responses man.... I see you quoted me... and then it looks like a picture I cannot view?

Surfs Watching the games explains a lot of things on this chart... Such as... Hurts is such an elite offensive weapon running the football......

Sacks here are like strikeouts in baseball used to be for some people.... It used to be regarded that strikeouts were the worst thing ever... They...

And the 2 broken wrists and the failed Physicals in college.... Yeah that Sh*t is important and it p*sses me off that it was swept under the rug...

I am going to disagree with you slightly. Tannehill was tough in Miami.. He took a beating and never came out of the lineup until he needed a...

No.... What his doctors said in exact words is that he would be able to take part in football activities... They did not mention anything about...

What are we talking about here... half a dozen sacks? Because if he had 6 less You would be arguing he only played due to being obducted and...

This All day This Send that message to guy...

I agree that it is not a great comparison Herbert to Tannehill.... I have stated this previously. Herbert is bigger and stronger... Tannehill...

If they think they can work with Hurts or Gordon.... I am fine with them trading down and building the Shiit out of this team... Rolling with...

And he blocked me again for reminding him of his obsession getting him banned.

I am not sold on Herbert... But the kid is big, strong, he has a plus arm and he runs pretty well. In those areas he is a little like a young...

It is worth noting that with Reid Smith turned in the best year of his career in that KC offense. Qb rating of 104! 4000+ yards Five touchdowns...

If Miami passes on Tua I could see him fall to the Jaguars or the Raiders.

With the Virus and Tua unable to have a pro day and then go work out for individual teams... I totally believe that several teams are not...

Mooseguts What about the games where Tannehill played out of his mind and was the difference maker? The guy is money in the regular season and...

Mims is a perimeter receiver mostly... Like I said perimeter guys almost always can come back to the slot if needed. It is nice to have the...

Pauly At worst Hull was a special teams monster and a decent depth player at linebacker who could come in and stuff the run

What about the fact that as soon as Tannehill got to Tennessee he was completing screen plays... Showing patience... Letting the pass rush commit...

Keyfin I moved here almost 17 years ago. No Dolphin fans I ever saw in Greenville SC... I then moved to the low state ... Florence... No fin...

OMFG Give it the F*** up... Tannehill kills it all year... He takes a team that was 2-4 and among the worst in points scored to the #2 scoring...

Brad Not sure where it is .... But there used to be a website that broke down arm strength for Quarterbacks and the scale was 1 through 8......

The Roundabouts are still there but they have made major improvements... To go from Highway 74 to the interstate you no longer have to get off the...

Deal I have a funny story to tell you... So a few years back I was out with friends we were having a few beers and there was this guy with a...

Cannot see the pictures you posted... Guess it is that old timey gas station next door to me?

Peyton's arm was light years better than Tua ( Before his injuries ) Montana played 40 years ago... Brees has a better arm than Tua Also. Yes...

The Ted Ginn pick was terrible. Mike Hull was a free player. ( Undrafted free agent...) A hard hitting linebacker that was solid against the...

I do an on the clock mock every year... Sometimes I do more than one.... I have yet to sit down and do one this year.... maybe my first will...

I live next door to the vintage gas station on the state line (It's an Esso station. ) Two story Farmhouse.

Alex Burrow is the only QB potentially ready to start day one after the draft... Tua is hurt and Herbert could use some coaching up... Love is a...

I literally live on the NC/SC state line off asheville Hwy... Landrum/Tryon

I would not say Ryan Tannehill was a bad draft pick at all. He was on a **** team, with **** coaches. By the time he was 25 in his third NFL...

Surfs up Burrow concerns me in that we have to give up three first round picks to get him... ugh

My problem with RGIII and the comparison... So the kid hurt his knee and it took a couple years for him to recover.... Why is it that now he...

I am not the biggest Herbert fan.... But if you think you could trade down and gain an extra first round pick and still get Herbert 9th overall?...

Fromm could not make the throws at the combine... He looked terrible... Jalen Hurts went there and was matching Herbert throw for throw.... Fromm...

HAHAHAHAHAHA Made me laugh...Well done

This time of year with no sports of any kind discussion is always welcomed.

And I did not think he played slow off the line or showed only straight-line speed. The film showed him running precise routes changing speeds...

Two Cents, Where in the North Carolina Mountains are you? I am in Tryon NC

I see Becton as a once in a Generation Guard.... He is massive and his impact would be undeniable inside... Absolute Mauler that can push the pile...

Surfs up... I really think that Miami could easily land Mims, Duvarney, and Dillon if they want to... I am all for drafting both Mims and...

If Tua is gone at 5 and Wirfs is there.... ( Providing they believe Rosen has potential ) I would look at Wirfs with the 5th pick... Athletically...

Wirfs is a monster... Once a decade a lineman like that comes along.

No... Mahomes did not win the game by himself... The niners crapped the bed late. Mahomes did play well at the end of the game make no...

Love the trade down idea... Hell no on Jameis. I would rather roll with Fitzmagic and Rosen... and draft Hurts, Gordon, or even someone like Tom...

Well Gailey likes the spread if I remember... Gailey likes to run the ball half of the time... I would have to look that up... But if we draft a...

Nah.... See you have it backwards... Because Tannehill had his three best games of the year, it made it easier for Henry to run the football.

Fromm had serious problems throwing the football at the Combine... No velocity.. no accuracy.. He was unable to make throws..He looked bad.... No...

The Air Raid offense is not a Gimmick...It is a variation of the west coast offense. Furthermore, the last 2 quarterbacks that ran the air raid...

Still waiting for the analysis as to why Mariotta was not thriving due to the situational advantage.

Well done... Great point about the Accuracy and the distance of the throws.

Dude, The free version of Grammarly is crap. I can dissect sentence after sentence and find flaws if I want to take the time. ( Flaws that...

No offense Dan I am not going to spend time checking my post for spelling and or grammar if the topic is only religion... That is a waste of time.

Except look at Mariotta on the same team with the same situation... One of the lowest scoring offensesin football transforms into the #2 scoring...

And yes There are times when Hurts just runs the ball...And there are times when he decides to abandon the pass and run... when he should not....

If you look at the weaknesses... And you have been watching Hurts you will know he has made tremendous strides when it comes to finding receivers....

Lots of good enough QB's to win never do.... There is no formula for winning the Superbowl. Sure it seems easy... Draft Mahomes hire one of the...

How can you say that Tannehill's yards are not meaningful when the titans went from one of the worst offenses in the NFL in terms of scoring to...

Tannehill was a fantastic athlete... Herbert could not start at wide receiver

Tannehill just posted the 4th highest QB in the history of the NFL.... I am not expecting him to do that **** again...

So many mike dropping moments in this thread .... Mind blowing.

If Tua is there at 5 and we take Tua... 5. Tua 18. Kinlaw 26. Mims 39. Delpit 56. Wanogho 70. Cushenberry ??? Duvarney 141. Dillon I am still...

Surfs If it was me.... Yeah Refuse to trade up for Tua... If he is there at 5.... Take him. If he is gone... Draft Simmons Then Kinlaw or...

Alex It is not extraordinary that a QB transfers... absolutely correct. What is extraordinary is asking that QB to change systems completely...

Guy Stop lying. 2020 will only adjudicate this issue for you if he fails... As has been pointed out by all of the other posters here. You have...

Drizzy Any concerns about being hurt and losing speed were addressed at the combine when he killed it and dazzled with his speed.

Alex I am not saying Herbert is Lazy, or Stupid, or incapable of leading. I am just pointing out that no Qb in this draft works harder, has...

Ugh Of course the EPA was low for Tannehill in 2018... Gase was running the offense... This has been discussed... Gase went to the Jets and...

One thing that really amazed me... Not exactly a knock on Herbert... But everyone raved about his arm talent... Okay Well at the combine...

Guy Man up and admit that if 365 days ago we were having this discussion about Tannehill and a bet... You would be homeless asking members here...

I too have been in this same boat. When Tannehill threw for 4000 yards a season and averaged 24 touchdowns a year for that two year stretch on a...

Guy Thank you for at least admitting that you do not give a damn about the analysis unless it in some way diminishes Tannehill and then you can...

I really do not for a second believe we are trading up for Burrow... If they wanted to do this... Not a single word would be spoken about it to...

Alex If Mims is a player that can play at a level that is on par with Thomas, Adams, Hopkins... He will be one of the very best players in the...

No way I am on board for trading three first round picks and one second for Burrow. Hell no

Lamar Jackson is not a QB that could have great success anywhere in any system. I love Jackson and he is a great player... But for him to succeed...

I agree When you lead the league in yards per pass and qb rating and you complete over 70% of your passes you are doing a lot of things right......

Okay guys I will say this... In the past Tannehill got sacked a lot... But the O line was **** and we lacked more than one receiver worth...