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It's crazy you want to argue this.

They don't honor them in the respect that they do dump players under contract all the time.

Exactly. Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES can you give him more money. Then why shouldn't every player on your team do that? They should, if they see you...

I do think that owners should honor contracts. If there was a story about that in regarding the Dolphins, I'll comment in that also.

I don't give a **** what teams are gonna do, and I addressed that, it's not like Jonnu is locked into an unfair, 5 year contract. He has one year...

Also important is that our second round pick is holding out for a guaranteed contract or something.

So sick of these guys signing a contract, then turning around after a year and wanting more. I know I know, the owners are trash too. But...

Yeah this is insanity.

The team will have the mentality of the coach. He needs to be better.

Well, at least it seems like they're taking backup seriously now.

Was this the interview where Grier was talking about team leaders and he never ever mentioned Tua?

Doesn’t seem desperate at all hahaha

I never watch them. Usually I don’t even click the thread haha

Right, too often people are saying something that is correct in general, but when pressed on who they specifically should target, they can't...

Absolutely

If Grier isn't there, then there can't really be questions about things that Grier is/was in charge of, right? So like, you know, the things that...

So ridiculous. He's skipping the media sessions, leaving McDaniel out there to talk to the media. Are you disputing that? Do you not think that...

Right. It was confusing. It ends up saying he's skipping the combine. Exactly why I asked the question in the initial post. It's unfortunate...

What does "Grier is skipping the combine??" mean? Like, in English, words and punctuation marks create meaning.

What mistake? I saw an article that said he was skipping. I made a post, questioning him skipping. He's absolutely a pos for skipping media...

I guess people don't understand what question marks are. It indicates a question, not a statement. He's still a PoS for hanging McDaniel out to...

See, I knew you would try to do this. I was simply trying to point out a positive. If he works on increasing speed, that is a good thing. There...

I mean, if it gets him training hard it could be a good thing.

Tua put up his best numbers beating up bad teams. Then generally disappears in big games. If it was all as rosy as you guys make it out to be,...

No, no one said they hoped that we lose so that we "get rid of Tua and Grier.". It was just Tua. And, it's because they don't believe the we can...

But so, I don't really get it. If the Dolphins lose, and Tua plays poorly and we point it out, everyone complains at us, and calls us trolls...

Even if you're the biggest believer in Tua, I don't see how you couldn't be concerned, given all the accumulating injuries, and he's 5 years in....

Yes you're right. Well then take the injury argument off the table lol. No I'm talking about Tua. I never argued for Burrow. I've only argued...

When have I ever advocated for a specific QB over Tua? I haven't. I'm not trying to prove who is better or worse.

You could have just not said anything instead of trying to rile things up.

I was always concerned about two things: 1. INJURIES 2. Could he play at high/elite levels without being surrounded by superstars

Dude, it isn't moving goalposts when injuries have been the concern SINCE HE WAS DRAFTED. Concerns can arise at anytime. Doesn't make it moving...

Yeah I think what really happened will never be "officially" true.. but everyone knows what happened. Freaking dude is a PoS.

Also I didn't specify any particular pundits, just that I believe the consensus would overall be, Miami won in a big way. But maybe I'm wrong,...

I don't think that's an accurate assessment of positions. Availability is your best trait, and unfortunately, Tua has significant problems there....

I've said all along that this line of conversation is my own opinion.

No, I'm not really invested in arguing my point of view with you. It's fine if you want to dismiss pundits, I don't care. I'm just saying, I...

I'm just saying what people would say. Sometimes they are correct

Agreed

And Tua is viewed as a massive liability due to injury concerns, and I hold that if a straight up trade occurred tomorrow, the national pundits...

Interesting comments from Ray "the Murderer" Lewis about Miami, and their problems: [MEDIA]

Wasn't speaking about message boards, but national pundits and sports shows.

If tomorrow the Chargers traded Herbert to Miami straight up for Tua, no one would be saying that Los Angeles (still feels weird to write that)...

Given the thread title, saw this on my Google feed: .https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news/where-tua-landed-in-qb-rankings-01jjszk2fh5j

In the context of, winning like 10 games and making the playoffs and getting trounced. In the context of, the argument that Grier shouldn't be...

Not for me it wasn't. I said I wanted competitive in the playoffs. 100% a troll post

I hate paywalls

The more things change...

So...is the argument the Lamar disappeared in a big game? I mean, his TE dropped the 2 point conversion that would have tied the game. Plenty...

While I agree, that is kinda immaterial to the argument they were having. Haha

Yeah they can cycle all off season, and come off the roids just long enough to pass their drug test before the season.

Aaaaand the dude still has a job:death::death:

Sure. I didn't know that AT THE TIME. When I was watching the game I didn't know anything about him, and when I made the original post, I didn't...

My entire comment was talking about Echols getting to him. I was surprised he got close enough to trip him up on the dive. Achane is fast, I...

What about Mayfield?

Imagine if all of a sudden he turned into a good QB? I think I'd give up watching football. Hahahaha

Dude it was just an article that in my Google feed and I shared it.

Yeah I suppose it's unimportant what commentators and former players are saying.

Cam Newton says Tua's arm strength is part of the problem....

What I'm more contending is that catastrophic injuries, like the hip dislocation, weaken that body part immensely, which can lead to being more...

Is it the same hip he had the college injury on? I mean, if the thing you suggested is super rare, one would have to wonder if all that trauma to...

For sure. Was just an anecdote so you understand what forms my opinions. I still think it's extremely of that we don't know what the injury is,...

My sister had to have hip replacement at like 35 years old. She has some degenerative hip thing, where the hip degenerates to bone on bone....

So I just found this article from 6 days ago and it says this: So is it the same hip that he injured in college? I read that somewhere. Now...

That isn't my wish. I don't wish for the Dolphins to be trash. But am I supposed to lie to myself about what Tua is?

Didn't say related to the injury. Just that it is the same hip.

Some serious cope there, brother

But they've said it's related to the previous injured hip, haven't they?

That's what I'm saying though, Dan. Like how can you try to separate the injury from the inability to move around, when it's the injury causing...

Yeah it seems that someone somewhere is being dishonest. Clearly Tua's hip injury was more than they're letting on, as he missed two must win...

You guys don't find it odd that we haven't been told what the injury actually is?

I'm not saying he is or isn't lying. All I'm saying is, when Grier says there's nothing to worry about, his track record tells me to worry. Lol...

They have not specified an injury, correct? Initially it was nothing, then it was something that required missing the last two games. Now it's...

Well, no one is really saying anything. So he can't be accused of lying. But if there were something actually wrong, this is exactly the kind of...

I mean, Namath and Jurgenson. Old school, when I already said, I think it was different for older era QBs than today.

Yes, there are generally multiple reasons why HoF QBs have wins. Liked at it's core, the QB needs another player to do his job, so that the QB...

Probably not, but I also believe that almost HoF QBs have teams built around them allowed for long term success. Like I don't believe that wins...

Yeah I mean, someone isn't being honest. I certainly don't trust Grier. If there is a massive problem, I don't think Grier would tell us, after...

Yes. You have to hit them where it hurts most, their ego. Benching is the best way. The problem is, I can't imagine owners tolerating it.

Again, though, those stats almost exclusively when against non winning teams

But dude, again, passer rating is relatively meaningless without context. I don't remember if it was those games, but if you look at QBR, flawed...

The guy who tripped him up, not the guy who tackled him. I'm not making any comments on Hill, just to be clear.

Yes, I obviously believe that winning is a team stat, and in and of itself should not generally be used as a metric by which to judge a QB. Tua...

Yeah I was just surprised that the safety was able to catch up enough to do that.

We watched Achane get caught from behind last game, which really surprised me.

I mean, this season didn't demonstrate that. Maybe jettisoning Hill will make the offense better, maybe, but I don't think that will be the case....

Yes I agree. Yet you still had to cover him.

Lol Ok. Even if I were to grant your premise, it wouldn't mean that I was saying we should have Burrow. I wouldn't be happy having a guy with...

Say what? I think you are severely underestimating the effect of Tyreek Hill.

Yeah I agree with that. But it's also just another example of why they would want us to lose. With Tua, we win enough to be almost relevant,...

Right. Even the people who said they didn't want to win, because that was a surefire way to keep Grier, were very upfront that losing wasn't a...

EXACTLY bro

A coach has got to be able to find things other than money to incentive players. But yeah, in general, I agree, it's hard to hold these guys...

But McDaniel needs to at some point discipline the ones who aren't doing what he wants them to do. Like, great, I agree, veterans and especially...

Actually, many thought he would ultimately survive, but that the only hope for getting rid of Grier was a bad season. Unfortunately, even 8-9 was...

Not sure where this best belongs, so I'll just drop it in this thread....

Yeah I agree Seiler could.

Hahahahaha

Absolutely. But there has got to be some sort of enforcer then on the coaching staff though, someone who can hold them accountable. In general,...

Shocked, I tell ya!!

Yeah it would never happen. Soft team.

BTW, completely agree on getting dressed down by another player is far more effective

They didn't exactly finish the season strong last year, Dan.

Campbell isn't afraid to get in their asses though. I agree, I think there is plenty of blame to go around, but I don't think the coach should...

It starts with a head coach that is BFFs with his players. McDaniel has got to change that relationship. It works when the team is winning, but...

Did we trade some picks that would have allowed us to grab him again? I feel like we missed on him actually 3 times, too. But maybe that's just...

The reasoning for passing is what is ridiculous. Look, I loved Fielder,. He went to school at Dartmouth, like 40 minutes from where I live. But...

Yeah I agree with this. My concern with Grier is that he seems incapable of trading down and then picking good oline. Basically, he has to spend...

I mean, come on man. This seems like an argument just to argue. I don't think there is any defense of the position that says TE is a bigger...

I can never tell around here. Since Zac Taylor is a successful head coach right now, as is Campbell, seemed to me he was indicating that the...

Spielman??? You mean the guy who said this: We have had idiots at GM forever.

Except that Grier is drafting, and the lower the pick, the worse the result for Grier.

1. Sure if you want to talk about rankings etc, fine. But then you get pissy when we start talking about vs winning teams, etc. 2. I've never...

Sure thing. I think it's incredibly disingenuous to say both have 2 appearances, when one was clearly better than the other. Also, I'm not sure...

Also I think depending on having a receiver come close to 2k yards in a season, to drive the offense, is not a great plan. Like 22/23 Hill was...

I think I'd argue that acting like Tua and Burrow are the same with respect to the playoffs is the must disingenuous argument yet. Tua hasn't...

Lmfao All I can do is laugh about this season.

The simple fact is that the Dolphins make Ross a **** ton of money, so there really is no reason to change anything from a business perspective.

Yeah I'm not saying that he can get his wish. Just that he said those words. When have we ever seen a scenario like this go well by keeping the...

He said "I'm out."

Right. Players are not going to waste their careers on a team with a QB who can't stay healthy and screws the team, and makes you look bad...

Nice D!!

He came back in and finished the game.

I agree...and I disagree. Yes, injuries can be avoided if he plays smarter and doesn't allow himself to get hit. However, imo, I know there is...

Also, guys, let's be real here. Tua's most horrific injury occurred when he was playing on the most stacked team a player could dream of, with...

Right. I agree, we are stuck with him, barring him retiring or having a career ending injury.

Regardless of who the GM, it is a difficult proposition to move on from Tua. I don't believe a trade is possible

This is why it's going to be extremely difficult to move on from Tua, barring him retiring or having a (God forbid) career ending injury.

Yes dude, it is. All of these arguments boil down to you guys claiming Tua is worth it because he's elite, and us pointing out that not only is...

Dude he says right in the post that Burrow is better than Tua. Thank you. That's all we've been saying.

Frozen tilapia Lmfaooooo This Describes Tua. To a T. It's ok To laugh. .

Oh so now mods are openly stating that they violate ToS, but I'm the troll and the one being ridiculous and petty? This site is not what it once was.

So is this where you try to get me banned by constantly instigating? You keep talking about posters, so I added in exactly what you are doing,...

The attacking is when instead of discussing the games, instead just dismiss my point of view by claiming I don't watch the games. Yes, it's...

My phone does love to autocorrect to Don, so I just figure it knows better.

If you want, I can respond to you on the same pretty, instigatory, trolling, insulting way you respond to others. You continue to claim that...

You make every excuse for Mr Glass. I watched both games. I've watched I think every game. How about you stop attacking posters? All you do is...

Untrue, Don. I have Highly Exhausting blocked, and I can @ him in a post

Yes, I'm not impressed if we get in and get stomped. We will probably get stomped by Buffalo next week, so we won't have to get destroyed in the...

No. It's that Huntley doesn't have to be afraid to scramble cause he's not made of glass.

Yeah this win impresses me, more about McDaniel not having lost the team, I thought they overcame adversity. It's a feel good win.

I deleted the post, I thought you were referring to the Browns, defending the claim they were a bad team. Now I see your were referencing our win...

Show me where I said he's better than Tua? You've lost your mind.

Dude you're pumping this as more than it is, to try to portray us as bad fans. It's a good, gritty win. Says some really good things, actually....

Yes. Yes, he is. And you are a bad fan if you aren't.

This was a good win. Huntley had to create on his own a bunch, doing things Tua cannot do. But, also, at the end of the day, this was a 3 win...

Lmao you can wait all you want. I've already said what will change my tune. They make the playoffs and are competitive.

Nice to have a QB out there who can create on his own isn't it

Yep that's me, just a little old troll. Yes, I KNOW it's ridiculous to say that I was actually wondering that, but it's just as ridiculous to be...

Thanks, Don, for the brilliant exposition. No, I do understand football, which is why I understand that rating is a result, is relatively...

It's meaningless without context. Like it's a numerical representation of a result. I know we agree, far too much importance is put on rating....

Truly, it's the perfect example of what we've been saying. Passer rating is kind of meaningless.

I've been thinking all game, I wonder where Huntley's completion% ranks all time right now.

And so humble too:001_rolleyes::bless:

DonMarino knows best what you meant

McDaniel kinda talks like and resembles Johnny Depp's character in Fear and Loathing

Yeah I wasn't saying you did man

Can someone explain how he didn't get the first there? Haha. The replay looked liked he got it?? So weird

Dude, Dansby... that seems so long ago

Yeah but backup QBs not being successful aren't evidence that the starting QB is the only one who can run the offense. My issue with backup is...

McDaniel walking around on the sideline with a winter hat pulled low looks ridiculous when you see teenage girls in the crowd behind him with like...

I wasn't trying to be critical of you, just to be clear.

Don, keep on topic. What did he post that was wrong?

Right dude. I don't see people telling Dark to talk about something new, even though he always brings up the oline. These problems have existed...

Yeah, your job as coach is to be able to adapt your gameplan. If your offense is so complex that it can't be simplified, then yeah, it's an...

What are you actually arguing, dude? Pump isn't wrong here. The very fact that Tua is listed as doubtful is freaking ridiculous. There have...

This. A million times this.

Yeah, he needs to play. If we seriously sit him for fear of losing him, then we need to just move on. I grew up with coaches saying you can't...

Considered by who? The same people telling me that Tua is elite. Haha But seriously, no one should have expected either of those guys to be...

It's so bad that we have to talk about sitting our QB cause we don't want to lose him for next season. This is asinine.

It's unbelievable that he is doubtful. This is exactly why he was a risk to sign as "the guy."

What are you going on about? He said Deion was a more complete player that Hill. In other words, he had more ways to make an impact on the game....

So who are the guys I've said are busts?

I didn't say "no injury history" did I?

I didn't compile it, it was on Twitter. You guys are quibbling over some pretty small things

Tua vs Winning Teams 7-14 record 410/683 = 60% 4,727 yards = 225 a game 28 TD = 1.33 a game 18 INT= 0.86 a game 84.3 passer rating

It's not his ENTIRE career, cause in his entire career, the Dolphins with Tua as QB are 7-14 against teams with a winning record.

The team is soft. This has been a contention for a couple seasons, and imo, softness starts at the top.

That was the number that was given in the broadcast last week...and we beat a team with a losing record, so the 1-10 wouldn't have changed.

Yeah, for me personally, "injury prone" doesn't mean that they are injuring the same thing, or even similar things. To me, it just means that...

Again, as has been said before, having those injuries doesn't mean he would have leg injuries, just that he seems to get injured more than other...

Again, who has said that we have to "win the Super Bowl" to be happy? Competitive in the playoffs has been said. But winning enough to get a...

So we just shouldn't talk about problems we see? I mean, what I see is that when we bring up some of these issues, we generally get told that...

Imo, they are not capable of "beating anyone," given their 1-10 record against winning teams. Until that changes, I just can't agree.

Yes, I know. But with no playoff success in like 2 decades, my goal is no longer just make the playoffs. They need to be competitive. I still...

Yeah man. Honestly, I'd give anything to believe in this team like I did in the 90s, with Marino. I truly believed we always had a shot, just had...

Yeah man, I get it. I also used to be the same way. Just gotta make the playoffs, there's always a chance. But this team has disappointed and...

Am I? Who have I called busts, other than guys like Dion Jordan or Pat White, or guys like that?

Also, picks like Tunsil or Minkah, a bunch of those pics, weren't hard. Grier seems to almost always go with safe picks, which is fine, but if...

"when healthy..." That's the problem with Grier teams, in a nutshell. Everything has to go perfect, no injuries, nothing, or Grier's teams go to...

I agree generally, but disagree wholeheartedly about that ball from agaist Houston. Tyreek had to bring that ball back to his body, and the...

Again, it's really twisting what he wants. Ideally the Dolphins win. But with Grier around, wins keep him, and we have yet to see any playoff...

we need to beat winning teams.

Nice drive nice td

So then the first post makes no sense if you weren't referencing the much discussed int to Hill last week

Love Achane boys

That ball was nothing like the underthrown pass you're sarcastically referencing

Thanks Reek

This is the first I've seen the full quote, but when I saw the tweet I just assumed he wanted to coach at some point

In every potential scenario, the only constant is STILL FIRE GRIER!!

Who says it's all Tua's fault, and no one else shares responsibility? I think McDaniel bears responsibility also, I suppose we could debate how much.

Don't try stating facts, Don doesn't need facts.

How many times do I have to state my position on Tua? You are completely wrong on my stance regarding Tua. This all comes down to I don't think...

My position on Tua has always been that he was good, would have a decent career, but that he's never been the best option. You've constantly...

Sure, but that just means that Tua helped push those salaries higher...I mean that is what happens, right? Lol it's why they have to keep raising...

If Tua would quit trying to dive headfirst splitting defenders when he needs to scramble, then #3 wouldn't be an issue.

Was third highest when signed.

I mean, I'm not gonna speak going back to when Shula retired, as I honestly don't remember, but just in the last 10-15 years, I don't think you...

Who is "opposed to Tua"? I was opposed to the price tag for Tua, not necessarily Tua himself. I don't care if a QB is flawed, if he isn't...

No, there's just no reason to have a discussion on it, when you can't understand that arm strength has **** all to do with the length of passes...

No, but you know what his point is, Don, but you choose to ignore it.

Agree completely if he lost the locker room he's got to go

I don't think there is any fair comparison of Tua to Peyton. At least Manning was going deep into the playoffs.

It's about points scored, not stats amassed. Maybe you're fine with some great stats, I prefer points and wins. I couldn't care less about Tua's...

YES

I just think you have to let the new GM decide the coach. I'm not against keeping McDaniel, but that needs to be the new GMs decision (if we get...

What are you not factoring in that the ball was behind him, and to bring that ball back to his body, it allowed the defender the ability to get a...

I guess I'm not THAT fatalistic haha. Seriously though, if the rebuild is done right, I think it's exciting and gives hope.

Well I don't agree that it's ridiculous. Grier needs to go, and McDaniel then also needs to go. Hell, maybe after the dust settles the new GM...

That ball was so far behind Tyreek. All of Tyreeks momentum is going away from the ball, Tua needed that ball more out in front of him. There is...

Why do you assume the next coach will fail? I personally believe that some people thought this team and players were better than they were, and...

Is it? Seems that something is fairly consistent....

Defense isn't quitting

So you're saying there's a chance

That td was way too easy

What if it's all rigged and scripted like boxing, or WWE?

Fake punt converted but did he fumble?? Also that looked like an illegal tackle

Ramsey is so lucky that ball was dropped

That was a crazy throw right there by Stroud

That was decided presnap. Absolutely

Great read and throw right there

More strawman arguments. I never said he sucked.

Nice D!!

This is why I don't usually post in game threads. I wasn't joking. I was making a point. I didn't see you guys telling DJ that it was ludicrous...

Are you actually implying that throwing short passes aren't easier to complete than long? Are you implying that he doesn't lead the league in...

He was walking on his own power when I posted that.

This team, regardless of what good things it has going for it, is fundamentally flawed because they are soft and completely undisciplined. Far...

I'm not joking. We were told that. Now we can see if that was accurate or off or was ridiculous homer logic. If people want to call people out,...

25% of his passes are BEHIND THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE this season, most in the league. Maybe that has something to do with his "historic season" and...

It's all good, we were told earlier this week that Tua is good enough now that we could let Waddle or Hill go to free up money for use elsewhere,...

Didn't the Texans lose someone for a couple games from an illegal tackle this year?

So I actually didn't see the helmet to helmet, but the announcers said that there wasn't really any force, and that while technically it's a foul,...

Why you say that? I don't really ever watch them, so it's an honest question

That was pathetic

Just throw it away.

WHY IS HE DIVING HEADFIRST TRYING TO SPLIT TWO DEFENDERS WHEN THERE WAS ALREADY A FLAG THROWN???

At least we're moving the ball this drive, but I'm concerned that it's mostly through a couple screens

This fascination with screens, because we can't run, is Gase-like. Thanks Grier, we can all see there was no reason to be worried about the online

2.9 yards per play These slow starts are the norm, it's ok when the defense plays well, but like, the potential to be down multiple scores...

Herbert/Stroud/Allen have nothing to do with the discussion, not sure why you want to bring him up and strawman. Tua threw it 37 times against...

yeah I agree. I'm just not getting all excited because of 2 games. Offense is trash through two series today.

Also, in those 2 losses, Tua barely broke 200 yards. Then we lost in the playoffs. So of the last 5 games Miami played last year, they went 2-3.

We lost 2 games in December, going from having the division crown to playing in a Wildcard game, right? I love how you act like my position is SO...

No, I don't have to subscribe to YOUR version or meaning of consistency. We have college and like 5 years of NFL. If you are continuing to argue...

We lost three of the last 4, right, which lost us the division, right? Then we got absolutely smoked in the playoff game, right? You act like...

Two wins in one season doesn'change anything. It's a nice sign, but he'll need to do that consistently moving forward if you want to knock that...

Actually, you're right, that's my bad. I really shouldn't have made that post in here. If you'd like, I'll delete it.

It's confusing because stats are relatively meaningless.

Nope, not at all what I'm saying

I'm confused...we got smoked against Green Bay. Are we back to it's about stats, not wins and losses? Does completion percentage win games?...

Yeah I agree with this completely. Like all mistakes are not equal, and he seems to make them at the very worst times.

Not sure your point? First sentence: Glad we won.

Yes, I was happy with that. Was nice to see that.

I do know that. I mentioned that to my son before the game. Honestly, I expected to lose because of that. I hate the Stej.

Glad we won. That being said, it was a trash game against a trash team, and we had to go into OT. Certainly gives me no thoughts that a playoff...

Picking can't miss players isn't drafting well. He doesn't draft online well at all. It's been a decade at least since we've had a decent tight end.

Well, my issues with McDaniel are: 1. Too soft on players, proof for me is how undisciplined they seem to be, and they play soft. This is...

Maybe...but I feel like the team is degrading since Year 1, not improving. I know many feel like McDaniel has kinda been figured out, which is a...

Do you think that translates similarly for other passes? Does a good run game make regular passes better? I've would assume it does have a...

Bingo hahaha

Yuuuuuuuup

Yeah he's only good with surefire can't miss prospects. Then they usually move to another team.

Saying Tua is responsible, does not absolve others of their responsibility. He's just saying, Tua is not blameless. Now, Tua can't control a...

Yes exactly, I mean, this is what we've been talking about for a couple years. You draft a guy high, you have 3-5 years to win. You can buy lots...

I'd be interested to see more on that. Cbrad and I have our disagreements, but he's shown unequivocally that running isn't important to the play...

Tua is an issue himself, when he's injured. Are you legitimately trying to have a conversation or are you just trying to play Gotcha and troll?...

Dark, I was not implying that no winning team had ever moved on from the GM. Rather, that Ross will see wins as justification to keep Grier....

The issue is GRIER. Winning keeps Grier around, keeping Grier around equals more of the last 20 years. So when people say meaningless wins,...

"To be clear, this year could have just as easily gone a different way had Tua slid instead of diving at Damar Hamlin early in the season. Maybe...

Yeah, I was more responding to where you said "It looks more to me like Tua makes McDaniel look good and not the other way around." I think there...

It's not like McDaniel had a qualified QB to play instead of Tua. I think it's unfair you say he can't win without Tua, even though I think...

EXACTLY

Sure. Except I've seen nothing from this team that indicates that they can be competitive in a playoff game. I've already stated that if they...

Some people on here can't keep my name out their mouth. It's pretty disturbing.

How does Grier go if the team is winning meaningless games?

If someone thinks Grier is a problem (he is), then winning only keeps him around. If we could keep everyone and just get rid of Grier, maybe, by...

Yes, at this point, in a season that is clearly over, winning does not help the team. There is a difference between wanting a team to lose...

Then next season will be no different. You draft a QB, you have like 5 years to be a contender. If you aren't making real noise in years 3-4,...

Right. 11-1 with a QB who is top 10, in a down year for him, in multiple passing categories. Yeah he's downright terrible. Would never want...

If the QB is largely throwing short passes and screens, and having success, wouldn't that indicate his teammates doing their jobs? But you...

Here's another thing, why is it that for Mahomes, when someone says he could "be successful" they say that means "elite stats." And like, what...

I completely agree. I hated Brady. Once he left the Pats to do it without Bill, I had no problem with him. I like him now. Like, you gotta...

It's like we have been saying that Tua can't create on his own, and is more dependent on his surrounding players. Like this has been the crux of...

I agree. Everything you describe starts at the top. Owner, GM, HC. We currently have leadership that doesn't hold people accountable, and we...

Right, I just don't get the fascination, other than, because we can't win a playoff game, people are desperate to have something to point to so...

30-17, against a playoff team, in a game we need to win, is horrible. That's the point.

That's pathetic. Third and fourth down, game on the line, you don't have your #1 receiver on the field???

This has been a really good drive

How is that NOT roughing???

Nice score. Great catch on the conversion

Opening second half drive was terrible. Tua was awful.

That literally has nothing to do with what I said about his accuracy.

It's honestly not even that cold. What is it, 28°? I guess if you're from Florida that is apocalyptic cold hahaha

I've always said I didn't think he was as accurate as people think he is

Followed up by a terrible throw overthrowing and behind Achane

Tua just got that guy killed

YoU gUyS jUsT wAnT tHeM tO lOsE

No no no dude You're just too stupid. This team is a playoff team.

I'm not seeing a team that is gonna be competitive in a playoff game.

All that to get a field goal

Wow can't believe we finally were able to convert that

Delay of game? Come on

And now it's sputtering

Offense looks decent right now

This is shaping up to be a long game

These offensive penalties are absolutely atrocious

That was a great ball on that screen

Unbelievable

Dude again, if you're talking to me then talk to me. Don't quote my post, where I give MY PERSONAL OPINION, and then want to argue about other...

Yes, good win. But yeah, of course we need to see performance in the playoffs against good teams, not against yet another team with only 3 wins....

Yeah and Etrius24 was banned? Are we seriously just banning people cause some Club members don't like someone's point of view or something? Dude...

It's not hard to understand, imo. I don't root for the Dolphins to lose, I was excited when they won last week. At the same time, I don't...

I'm not sure that your viewpoint is correct, though. If you have a decent team that consistently is picking below spot 15, and you don't have...

Which post specifically? Someone saying wins may be meaningless as far as what they mean for the team moving forward, that does not mean they are...

The dismissive part that I was referring to, was you saying that I must miss posts because we aren't in agreement. Like it can't be that I...

Where have I ever said they should tank, first of all? Second, just because they picked the wrong guy doesn't mean the strategy was wrong. If...

Whether or not Luck worked out or not is unimportant to whether or not they tanked. They thought Luck was the guy, and they tanked and grabbed him.

Yeah ok bud This post actually exemplifies most of my issues with you guys. It's that you minimize anyone's experience/opinion that differs from...

It's selfish and unfair towards the players, too. Guys like Hill are gonna squander their remaining good years on a team that isn't really...

Exactly the same bro. My teen years were spent crowing about Marino while I watched Buffalo dominate, and Patriots fans were awful haha I loved...

That was the tail end of the good times. They still broke our hearts in the playoffs.

I don't think anyone is "rooting for" losses. I certainly am not I'm just saying that the wins are hollow, because of we make the playoffs and...

I agree 100% Deej

Yes I'm not saying that there aren't reasons for optimism. I'm saying that those things don't indicate to me that we are anywhere close to...

There are things about the team that excite me...Smith is exciting that we might finally have a TE?? Like I said, for me personally, I can...

You don't think the Colts tanked when they got Luck?

The absolute blown coverage play? Lol. I mean, yeah I liked it. But it doesn't mean anything man.

I dunno man. I grew up in NE surrounded by Patriots fans. Regular seasons wibs never mattered back then in arguments with my friends, and they...

Interesting that that is what you want to dispute over.

IF we make the playoffs, and are competitive, then the wins will have been worth it. If we make the playoffs and get destroyed in the first game...

With 3 minutes to go, against the worst team in the league, we had what, a four point lead? That is a playoff contender in your mind? I'm...

I mean, words have meanings. Are we supposed to guess at what you mean? Lol

Why? Did this game show you something? Good win, but what does it mean? With 3 minutes to go they were only what, 5 points ahead? Against the...

Exactly correct. Civil suits are meaningless, imo

Right...but when you are 3-6, no game should be a trap game. You aren't good enough to be overlooking anyone. That would speak volumes about the...

I am only rude to people who are also rude. Seemed kinda like a juvenile grade school response. "Nuh UHHH! YOU did!" Etrius hasn't been rude....

I'm not sure what that means? I was responding to someone who said that because we pointed out in past seasons that the offense was only elite...

Well, couldn't I just the same, argue that that the Vegas odds are telling you something, it's just that you don't want to hear it? It would seem...

So because something was true last year or the year before, means it must be true this year? I think we have already seen the team play down,...

How would it not? If we are truly a playoff caliber team, then we *should* destroy them. Now, if they play up to our level and they score points,...

I mean, it matches exactly what we all see.

This is such an offensive post, on so many levels.

We'll see. It would be nice if you are right.

It's truly never ending

Scintillating conversation and insight from some right?

Not at all what anyone is arguing.

So now you're saying that they did figure us out, but that is just normal? That's much different than what you were saying awhile back, where it...

That's a play I expect a QB to make. I noticed they aren't talking about the times he's didn't make that play last night

Haha I know I know

Seiler is the man

That screen wasn't typical or predictable

That was a great throw to Washington

Yes with that I do agree. My apologies for misunderstanding. Although none had 3 years in the offense

Tua is so so stupid sometimes. Like rookie mistake stupid.

This time out /time management garbage is getting really freaking out of hand. It's ridiculous

Achane with that helmet all I can think of is Space Balls, Darth Helmet hahaha

How come he could ride the receiver like a horse

Bill Walsh McDaniel is not. It's inappropriate to even be having this specific convo... Tua is nowhere near Montana. Montana was dominant,...

Nice TD

Look at those drafted receivers.

That's pretty unacceptable

Why is Tua wearing that hood thing at an indoor game?

Now Tua with the fumble

Why would you try to make that tackle with your head??

WTF TUA

No no I agree. I'm saying FOR THIS season, if they make the playoff and are competitive, I would say that I was wrong about this team, and that...

Defense looks great right now

I do love Achane

Lol Ok man

I will say this...if we go on a winning streak and make the playoffs and after competitive, then I will shut my mouth and just enjoy the ride....

Nice D

Ok, but the 49ers were winning championships, and Montana and the offense didn't freaking disappear in big games. You guys act like we don't wish...

Tua is better on some things absolutely. But Tannehill was a freaking piece of granite here, he took so much physical abuse on the field. I wish...

Actually, I was trying to extend the olive branch. Explain my position, my reasons for posting frequency, hooping that you would realize that...

Yeah that's what you do. What else do you call them going 1-3 into the playoffs? See, this is what I don't understand. You mock my position,...

And since apparently I have to be precise, it was late Fall of '21, my posting frequency started dropping off at that point, just in general....

Actually I didn't say it was last season when I got my new job.

How many did they lose again in the last third? They should have had First. Backing in, meaning they went in on a losing streak/record they're...

And not for nothing, I was here the whole time, interacting while you all acted like we didn't back into the playoffs.

When were they winning?

It's clear to see who the troll is. The one who just mocks and demeans and holds to their narrative regardless of the truth.

Dude then just put me in ignore man. I don't have time to make up life stories or argue with people who have shown for years to be unreasonable....

No it's not dude. I just don't care to post all that often because it's just this. So it's relatively pointless. I don't post during GameDay...

Every other post? Really? Ok. And generally it's when someone has said something equally offensive to me. DJ loves to say it too. Obviously...

Let's be clear, at the end of the day, the Dolphins have 2 freaking wins. You guys are acting like we're making up crazy ridiculous stuff to...

Hehehe I'm sure people won't see the humor

Hey Finatik, isn't this violating ToS? It these posts seem "dripping with anger," you gonna delete DJs posts and gives him a warning to? Give me...

More ToS violations that Finatik will ignore. Put me in ignore DJ, I'm not changing what I say just because you don't like it. I'm not abusing...