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God ****ing dammit, why?

Boras is just representing his player here. Be mad at Harvey, not Boras.

Which is why Wins/Losses for a pitcher is a useless start.

The Marlins trade is dumb. The franchise is a mess. I'm usually very optimistic about the Marlins and what they're doing but frankly, they've...

Jesus I'm tired. Thought you meant Andrew Miller.

He's already legit. His last 3 years have been dominant.

The Marlins were yelling at him as he stared at his homerun so he told them to shut it. I really don't have a problem with that and don't care for...

Nah, he's been pretty damn bad. Bour is fine though.

I'm down and know someone else who would be too.

This is on the money.

It wasn't disingenuous. Anyway, if they shot the more than 26 other teams, I'm not sure what you're arguing. Context is everything in sports and...

Speaking of condescending.

I'm not cherry picking anything, friend. What I said is factual. They shot more three's than 26 other teams over the course of the 82 game season....

What happens if Golden State wins? That series isn't over yet. You mentioned the Clippers bringing back old school basketball but they were the...

Oh yeah, duh. Forgot about that

I don't get it.

Having a lot of trouble with the 4th, but I think I go Bonds, Mays, Clemens, and Randy Johnson. Unless someone can talk me out of Randy.

Fat Latos.

Heathcott looks like a fringe prospect to me.

Definitely was. I'm a big fan.

Round is a shape.

Oh wow, he actually ****ing did it again. Riley is a god of gods.

But do you think we can get that much for him?

40 points, 12 rebs, 9 assists, 3 steals, 1 block Clinic.

I'll also be going to that. Last year the average ticket price for the ASG was ~$1000. I imagine by 2017 it'll be a little bit higher than that.

The website doesn't work for me

He's interesting. Never really considered a top prospect in our crappy system but has good stuff apparently and has good numbers. Pretty old for...

Good deal for both teams I think. Yanks get a young, cheap #4 or #5 starter and an interesting pitching prospect. Marlins get $8 million cash, $5...

morse horse

I hope he does retire. He's not good. I'd rather not have the $10 million tied to him.

If he's healthy, he's much much better than solid.That's a pretty good deal.

It's hilarious

I'm going to vomit

This FO is pretty god damn bad. Good lord.

We can scratch LaRoche off the list. I'd like to see us get on the Morse Horse next.

What's this I hear about an expansion?

For anything. If you release him, you still have to pay his salary

Not always. It's been abysmal over the last 6-7 years

Today's Miami Herald

Really need to upgrade all of the infield spots.

Garrett Jones should have been platooned with Jeff Baker but this FO is incompetent.

I'm not sure Adam LaRoche would be a big upgrade. He'll be 35 next season and I'm not sure he can repeat last year. Wonder what the money looks like.

That's fair. I still believe the return should have been better but we'll just keep going in circles and neither of us can prove anything.

Hech is a far below average player with very little upside. Not sure why everyone is turning him into something he's not.

I said all of that about Reyes, Buerhle, and JJ above, so. Alvarez is definitely good. Marisnick is whatever, boom-or-bust type but a fine...

It should have but the FO were demanding Marisnick, Hech, and Nicolino instead. All garbage.

Also: King Lou knows all.

They extracted short term value from for relatively cheap and then received a number of (in my minority opinion, crappy) prospects; one of them...

Just Alvarez. The rest of them are trash.

Pretty much agree. Also need to hope that Yelich and Ozuna take steps forward, and that Salty rebounds a little bit. The infield is a big mess...

Supposedly, it's done. 13 years, $325 million. Player opt-out to after out 6 years. Also there's a rumor that the fences are coming in, which if...

I feel very good about the crazy money we're giving to Stanton when Russell Martin is getting that

KC spent almost $50 million more on payroll than we did. There's no reason we can't get to that level.

Correct

No, I'm with you. The questions are fair. I only objected to this: There are a few exit ramps on the highway between "certain aspects of this...

Muschamp sunk his own ship years ago when he decided Driskel would start over Brissett, despite overwhelming evidence at the time that Brissett...

Buerhle had an ERA+ of 109 with us, his second lowest ever at the time. Buerhle's ERA+ since he's been in Toronto has been 106. That's fine, but...

He won't even be the highest paid player annually.

And we have a lot of room to operate payroll wise. If we took the 2014 team and paid Stanton $30 million, we'd still be 29th in payroll. If Loria...

Yeah, fair market value. If anything it might be slightly under market value. Miguel Cabrera is signed through age 41. Cano through age 41....

This is all that should matter.

Which was the right move, seeing how all of those guys aren't really good anymore.

He's locked in for a while yet. That extension he signed was terrible

It's not because they won't have money left. It's because Boras. Reports are that they're trying to extend Yelich and Hech (gag) as well.

Let's hear what levels you think this is dumb on and why. I honestly think this is fair market value for him.

His time should be right now. A good will extension while he's injured could save the team a lot of money and provide him with financial security...

I don't think anyone walks away from $300 million, so if that report is true, he's signed. You really can't pay a single player half your payroll...

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/marlins-giancarlo-stanton-discussing-record-breaking-300-million-deal-111314 This is fairly unexpected. I...

"Damage."

He looks fat.

I think it's important to point out that Brees' first 36 games came over 10 years ago. The average passer rating then was much lower and not...

What modes do you play? Unfortunately things like this are all too common online: http://www.gfycat.com/HighIdealGadwall Check out the near CB....

Defending in this game is absolutely broken.

Yup. FIFA Ultimate Team is my favorite thing ever

I thought the Seahawks hired him?

Section's explanation doesn't make sense either. If there's no play than there's no penalty either. But clearly a penalty happened. In...

Wrists.

Then why does it look like the official is spotting Gibson either right at, or before the first down marker if forward progression doesn't apply...

Oh yeah, I missed that one. Good call.

I don't agree about the pass to Miller. That hit him right in the chest. That's all on him. Also semantics but it's not a screen, just a little...

I'm kind of shocked the forward progression thing is even a discussion. Catches like that are marked first downs like this pretty regularly in...

Gibson was airborne when he caught the ball. By your definition a player is never airborne because they all have to land eventually.

That's fine. The ref could absolutely have erroneously spotted the ball short of the first down. I admit that's completely possible, and would...

It's my video. I can't see anything clearly besides what the video clearly shows. Nothing about it has been proven wrong, despite your claim. It's...

I find it interesting that you made this about Philbin Detractor vs Supporters when you'll find no where in the original post or my post history...

Right but he did not give up ground by his own choosing. His momentum from falling after the catch brings him back. There's a difference. It's...

Forward progression is a thing and it matters. [IMG] This is where the ball should be spotted. Where he rolls after he lands is irrelevant.

It was a gain of 15-16 yards.

It is #107 [IMG]

I'm pretty sure the game book is just a clerical error. CK made a good point about that in another thread: I feel like that makes sense and is...

10-11 yards. In other words, enough yardage to put you safely in field goal range instead of right on the edge to the point that sack would take...

What do you think happened then? It's not like I'm pulling this out of thin air. The video is there for all to see.

Regardless if the refs marked it short of the first, it's clear as day on video that he's past the sticks. The correct play is to then challenge...

Forward progression applies here.

The catch is also for first down yardage.

Nope. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

He has crappy peripherals like Koehler and Eovaldi had early in the year. He's a nice arm with some upside to have but he's been pitching over his...

The idea is that if Tannehill goes down for 6-7 games, Moore can come in and keep us alive. If we had Matt Moore's equivalent in 2002 instead of...

Fangraphs has us just below 3%. I think the number of teams we have to jump also has a lot to do with it.

Yeah, but who the hell is that guy and why should I care what he has to say? Watch the video. You can clearly see his car accelerate and the...

That depends on what you mean by analytics.

You don't know a thing about me or what I do for a living. I can promise that, at worst, I am as equally qualified as you are. Of course you can...

lol

I don't like it but I seem to be in the minority.

It really doesn't. Again, try xFIP.

It was strong hyperbole. We'll see where they end up. I'm not sure what your point is about WHIP but regardless, it has very little predictive...

WHIP isn't really a stat you want to be using for predictive value, by the way. Try xFIP.

It only took a 9-1 stretch in their last 10 to get to .500 and the highest BABIP in baseball. We can ignore the fact that they've been a bottom 10...

If it was last year, I'd agree. But that ship has probably sailed. Unfortunately, I think Stanton being traded is inevitable. The extension ship...

No.

No.

Buying would be hilariously short sighted and just like the Marlins to think we're still in this. We're on the right track but we need 3-4 more...

I think the distinction "clearly" is important.

Ginobili and Pierce have a 3 point shot. They wouldn't be nearly as effective if they didn't have that in their arsenal. Generally older players...

I'm not discrediting him for a bad 5 games. I wonder if he's still able to be as super efficient as he was last year without the best player on...

Isn't Bosh in Ghana?

If the Dwyane Wade from before the Big 3 still exists then I agree. If that's the Wade we're getting then this team is the best in the East....

No. The Cavaliers as currently constructed are better than we are. This is going to be unpopular but I think we're a 4-6 seed right now and...

Wow. That's pretty crazy

What's your battletag? The only control mage deck I'm familiar with is Freeze Mage. I'd have to see your list to make real suggestions

$20m to fit them under.

So what's the hold up on Wade?

Bull ****

It's pretty good against Miracle if you can draw out the Saps before the Earth Elemental combos.

Ended up making it to the 3rd round in yesterdays Soulfire tournament. I took the first two games mostly on the back of this Crusher Shaman that...

Honestly, youtube is a good start. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI7ipUHNm7c

Do you want to test the Mid Hunter vs Combo match up with me? I don't have much experience with it. It'd be good practice

He's hot garbage

What kind of tournament were you in? Control Warrior is an interesting choice for sure. Do you have the full list? I've been meaning to enter into...

I haven't but I probably will at some point. Druids are just so consistent against everything so I'm trying to explore that further. It sucks a...

Yeah I'd definitely craft a neutral Legendary with that Golden Cho.

Also, always keep your saps against Druid as a Rogue. If they innervate something big out early, a sap wrecks them. You'll be so far ahead.

This is my Ramp list: [IMG] I've actually found Combo/Midrange Druid to be more consistent. The double Force of Nature + Savage Roar combo...

Having tons of fun playing Ramp Druid lately. There's nothing like playing a turn one Cairne, or turn 3 Rag.

What list are you playing?

Don't hate that one.

I watched a little of the Dreamhack too. I think watching Hearthstone streams and tournaments is a little different viewing experience from other...

Yuck. That sounds awful.

If he hits 100 regularly, it's not when I've seen him

Well for one, I find it very hard to believe that he hit 102. These guns are usually juiced when you hear stories like that. When you watch him...

That was the issue for both me and another friend. Made hitting impossible

Oh I quoted the wrong post. Make sure your TV is on Game Mode if it has it.

Make sure your TV is on Game Mode if it has it.

He supposedly hit 102 but every time I've seen him throw, he's sat between 93-97. I don't think he's the hardest throwing high schooler ever....

Wanted Rodon but the whatever

I hope Cole is better this time around then last year. Parker ate him alive last year.

3 days to make Legend. I need some serious luck.

Finally broke into the top 5

Probably Warlock. Card draw as a hero power is insane and kind of broken. I alternate between Zoo and Handlock.

I only really have two viable decks in this meta. I really like my Hunter decks but it's just not viable with the amount of Miracle Rogues on...

I'm stuck on rank 6. I work my way up to the brink of rank 5 and then slide all the way down to 7 or 8, every time. Then I get back up to 6 again.

Looks like you're not on mine. I sent another request

Which ones? And what's your battle.net tag?

What decks are you using?

You have to tell us the numbers after your username, Doc.

Practice and understanding which cards and are good and why they're good will go a long way towards improving. I don't mind helping anyone that...

I enjoy this game quite a bit. Not that good but I'm improving. Just finished a 10-3 arena run with a really good Druid deck. My battle.net name...

lol

:'(

Get attached. He's amazing.

: (

I believe!

He's going to be a high power/high strikeout guy most likely. His defense is supposed to be pretty good from what I remember but I haven't seen...

It's not a huge deal. We were never going to be good this year. This year was always all about seeing which of the young guys we can build around.

That was fast.

I think I probably do that. Pass rushing is so valuable

I hate to say this but you don't know the first thing about him, let alone enough information to make that suggestion.

You can't draw conclusions from 100 AB's.

You might be able to take something away but I'd be argue that it's insignificant

He's 23 with ~100 MLB PA's under his belt. Who was calling him a failed prospect? Those people are idiots

Not even close to enough

Until tomorrow

I agree with all of this. There's a lot to like about the Marlins and their future. Loria is still a ****.

The former.

There's going to be a ton of disappointed Marlins fans in a few weeks. Literally dozens of them.

There's a lot wrong with this but I do not think the Marlins going from literally the worst offense in the last 25 years to a league average...

He's very talented but I'd be surprised if he breaks an .800+ OPS in his first year. I'm thinking a decent average, high OBP, and the power...

A 1.4 team whip would put them at 27th in the MLB last year. That's not close to good enough for a 85 win team. That being said, the pitching is...

85 wins would be some kind of miracle. 73 is a good number to shoot for.

Jose Fernandez Jose Fernandez'd.

Don't like the idea of trading him. He's been bad and probably won't bring back anything of significance. His upside is worth more to us than...

We'll suck but not as bad as last year. It's unfortunate that my fandom has shifted from the results on the field to how the prospects are...

I'm all for Loria bashing but I think Henry is out of line and looks like a clown.

This is a pretty good idea. Maybe we should do the Mainge Boik and Atlanta Braves thread

Only two months late but I didn't really like it. I understand why it was made and I don't really have a problem with Capps the player, but the...

I'm not sure what you think you're proving but what I said is completely factual. Maybe Freddie Freeman becomes the first player ever to sustain...

It's pretty much impossible for that Freeman to be the real Freeman. The only difference between 2012 Freeman and 2013 Freeman is his BABIP. His...

The Oregon coaching staff used him in a variety of different roles, including dropping him in coverage quite often. His sack numbers were...

I don't know that it's a mistake yet. Sheldon Richardson amassed 33 pressures in just over 500 snaps. Dion Jordan amassed 24 pressures in 200...

I'd guess because more of their yardage comes from the ball in the air and not YAC. PFF tries to normalize the effect of YAC by giving them points...

Somehow, I don't think so. The kick crazy amounts of kicks on gamedays between pregames and warmups on the sidelines. I don't think those 3-4...

I can't remember a blocked extra point for the life of me.

It's a cumulative number and not an average rating. Guys that have more snaps are going to inherently rank higher (or lower) than guys with less...

I am a little surprised by the strong opinions in this thread. This is about as insignificant as it gets when it comes to rule changes.

I suppose I'm not a Dolphins fan then because I couldn't care less whether the Patriots won or lost today. I don't care about anyone other than my...

And before New England? He was failed hard in Cleveland. Why didn't he establish that culture there? What about all of his assistants that failed?...

You're insulting the hell out of the Heat by comparing their Hall of Fame players to the likes of Brandon Gibson, Charles Clay, Lamar Miller and...

What winning culture was Belichick a part of? And all of his assistants that have failed over and over again; they came from cultures of success,...

Better yet, why Joe Philbin? What makes you think he's qualified?

And the 13 others that didn't vote for him. Absolute joke.

I also agree with this. What's more exciting than 650ft homeruns?

It's true. I know if I there was an injection or pill to make me better at my job, I'd be all over it.

There's nothing statistical about the grades you're quoting. They're formed by manual evaluation. Film watching.

In 2011. You would agree that being the DPOY doesn't make you the best, no? It's voted on by the media. The grand majority of which do not study...

Terrell Suggs hasn't been the best at his position in a few years, if ever

In the future you can hit cancel and the edit timestamp won't be updated.

We don't know that he nailed it though. We don't know what he thought about any of those players. This is what makes evaluating hirings of...

According to his bio on the Eagles website, he didn't have collegiate scouting responsibility with San Francisco until 2010.

Dampier.

What the hell does the Heisman have to do with the Superbowl?

We ran quite a bit of screens this year and we were awful at them.

Right but that's not at all what your previous post said.

I don't know how anyone can say anything conclusive about him when he was put in conditions that were impossible to succeed in.

I'm not saying that Lacy isn't better. I'm that if Lacy ran behind this offensive line, there's not a chance in hell he passes your eye test. And...

Spending a second round pick on a running back that only averaged a tenth of a yard more per carry than Lamar Miller, despite having a far better...

Those are entirely different circumstances though and not at all applicable to the discussion at hand.

In a vacuum, you lose.

Depends on how many of those are 3's. A big can go 50 for 100 down low and score 100 points at 50% shooting. A perimeter player can go 35 for 100...

Nah.

I'll add Mike Wallace falling away from the ball and not coming back for it, allowing the Dee Milner interception while we're in scoring position.

Anyone that answers no is the worst.

Nah.

I think it's "No homo, just consecutive negative WAR seasons" or something like that.

I imagine it's a lot like this, but in a football context. This is the SportVU technology that NBA teams use....

Roy Halladay was the best pitcher in baseball for a decade. If he's not a HOFer, I don't know who is.

Just Walker isn't getting it done and SP is not a need.

Most athletes only pretend to be concerned about winning and legacy. I'm sure athletes do value those things to certain extents, but it's almost...

Well that's kind of silly. Juan Pierre hitting a homerun does not make him a power hitter.

That's ridiculous in either scenario.

Pretty much. Loo at the Marlins.

So just let him catch with Jose Fernandez on the mound.

He's noticeably improved in this area over the last few games, IMO.

He threw a bad interception against SD with a defender buzzing underneath the comeback. Good post, though. It's pretty clear he's a guy that's...

He's pretty awful against LHP so hopefully he doesn't do much switch hitting and plays exclusively against RHP.

Like the JJ signing, Pad?

Really like the Salty signing. These are the kind of deals we need to be making.

We also got a gift on that Charles Clay review that shouldn't have been a completion. Blaming the refs for this game is ridiculous. We had three...

Looks congratulatory to me

I'm talking specifically yards per carry. Not everyone rushes the ball the same number of times so yards per carry is a better indicator of how...

I didn't say we did or didn't have the personnel for it. I was only objecting to "the league has figured it out." statement. The execution of a...

Three of the top four rushing attacks in terms of yards per carry are zone blocking schemes.

I'll have the last two games up sometime this week.

Our run game isn't even crap. We're 14th in average yards per carry, even with those two abysmal performances against Tampa and Cleveland. The...

Good call.

lol

This might be the dumbest thread I've read all week.

Martin didn't act in a way that people would define as masculine so he must be gay. And gay men can't be tough and have to put on an act. Duh.

http://slickdeals.net/?pno=106198&lno=1&afsrc=1&trd=Newegg+via+eBay

I appreciate the info. I don't know I completely agree with your conclusion but the info is great. That said, Mike Wallace isn't half the player...

You're always money. Grazie.

It doesn't have to be a guy who's sole purpose is to get one yard. I'm talking more about Daniel Thomas' role. Him replaced with a LaGarrette...

But why? Your preference is irrelevant. Why is a short yardage back a disadvantage? I don't see the problem with it. If you have a runner that's...

That wasn't the point. Can you specifically tell me why having a short yardage back is a bad thing?

Barry Sanders probably shouldn't have started then.

I don't have the numbers in front of me to back me up but I feel like we're an awful short yardage team. Considering the success of the Clay...

This is the part that you should specifically be embarrassed about.

It's Incognito's dad that posts here

For what it's worth, Incogito's dad says Jake wasn't a leader at all.

That poster signed up in May 2010, few months after Incognito signed his original contact with Miami.

By themselves, each piece of evidence does seems like a stretch, but all together? That's some coincidence if it's not his dad. Read this: The...

[IMG]

Oh ****. Now what am I going to do?

Who cares?

We've run quite a bit of those WR screens, actually.

Maybe tomorrow.

Proof: [IMG]

If the idea is to punt it anyway, you don't need to burn another timeout. Just take the delay of game penalty. Slightly OT but I wonder why...

Most notably on the safety.

Since this play was discussed a bit, here are a couple of All-22 stills of said play

I'm impressed that they scored the 3rd most runs in baseball with only one decent hitter.

Probably not but I'm going to keep doing so until they stop me.

When was that?

Yikes

Everyone should love Joe. I love that he talks and says crazy ****. Give me that everyday of the week over the robotic canned say nothing crap...

That's incomplete by rule

I think I'm going to start including sacks and runs too. Helps give a clearer picture.

Only one really.

I did too. What guys did you get? I don't want us to have the same dudes.

Oh wow, I mean Finkyank. This is awkward.

5% coming your way, Fink. I got this.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/first-basemen-scoops/ http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2013/9/13/4720036/can-you-dig-it-a-look-at-first-basemen-scoops

They account for both of your scenarios, actually.

Who suggested he was trade bait?

Happened in the offseason

He seems pretty up and down in that regard. Hopefully it's something he gets better at as he gets more snaps under his belt.

Of course. Why can't he be both good and a little lucky?

Not thinks. Is.

I don't think he has his legs under him yet, to be honest. He hasn't done **** all year.

Edit what?

Woo

Only difference between this year and last year is BABIP.

[IMG] I'd play this game.

OH MAN 2009?! SUCH A LONG TIME :cry:

The coverage dictates the progression.

Okay then. Agree to disagree.

I still don't see how it's not a fair question. I disagree with the premise but it's absolutely fair.

Nah, it's definitely fair. Like, what the hell kind of controversy can he cause? This would be the worlds worst controversy ever.

I think it's a fair question.

I think I'd probably take them all over Tannehill at this point, and I'm a pretty big Tannehill fan.

Espn.

2012 Completion Percentage of throws 30 or more yards down the field: Brees 39.4% Rodgers 37.5% E. Manning 37% P. Manning 36.9% Romo...

I'll just use my ability to think critically instead and understand the difference between those kinds of throws, but thanks. ESPN tracks balls...

Okay thanks. I don't know what else to say. If you think this throw or this throw is the same kind of throw as this: http://imgur.com/K7YUTs2...

It sucked a lot, especially in the moment. But if you're evaluating process over results, you have to love him getting to the QB like that. I...

I'm saying that all balls that travel 20 yards in the air are not all deep balls.

Throws over 20 isn't the same thing as a deep ball to me. Obviously all deep balls go over 20 yards, but not all throws over 20 yards are deep...

I just did a dry run. It wasn't so bad.

I think I'm going to keep track of just straight points per possession on both sides of the ball, as well as average scoring drives for both field...

It's not perfect by any means but still probably more accurate than just points per game or points allowed.

I have a question. In basketball, the best way to measure team offense and defense is using points per 100 possessions. This is because every team...

Joe Thomas probably didn't help things much.

I hate all of this so much.

That's more like it

I know. It makes for less laughs.

I miss Mark Sanchez

Disappointed but grateful that he gave us these four unbelievable years. He owes us nothing beyond what he's given us. His choices and reasons are...

Wasn't aware of that

It's really easy to fudge the system and get anyone you want on the playoff roster.

[IMG] [IMG] I believe that when you're evaluating a young player (or anything really), the process is more important than the result. On this...

No? I don't follow.

I'm not dogging anything. I just don't think it's particularly praise worthy. He had a much better play a few plays earlier that no one is...

He may have done what he was supposed to but it was still a play made by circumstance rather than a play made by beating his man in passrush.

I do not think that Jordan sack was a particularly good play. Jordan was beat so handedly that he disengaged and went into spy mode. Weeden was...

That's not actual proof.

Proof?

I have no idea why obvious trolling is allowed on such a respected website.

Maybe Geno Atkins.

Sort of. Gatos were 2 for 5 in the redzone and had 5 turnovers and it was still close. Could have easily gone either way. Wouldn't a close game...

Driskel drives me nuts

Pennington was the second highest rated quarterback in 2008. If Tannehill finishes the year second in passer rating, we're going to win a lot of...

Yessir.

I don't know why we keep turning a read option into only an off-tackle run. There's an inside zone/HB dive. Play action, etc.

Both of those can't be true.

I don't like WAR at all because half of its formula comes from the defensive metrics and they are deeply flawed at best. Especially the catcher...

Nothing says good like being 27th in OPS at your position.

Russ Martin kind of sucks.

Hopefully not.

Deal. How about you throw in some minor prospects like JBJ and Bogearts, maybe a few more. Just to sweeten the deal so I don't lose the rest of...

He'll be a Marlin by then.

Plus, TNSTAAPP

This isn't a form of government. It's a message board to intelligently discuss the Dolphins. The mods don't have to keep him around if they don't...

Why is this allowed?

Possible but I wouldn't have bet on them contending.

Sucks but at least he's getting it out of the way now while he's still young and the Mets aren't competing.

Looking back on it, it's stupid. We had fun.

I bet it's because guys like Jason Allen are covering him, and not so much depth perception.

Hey there goes Ray whining about Carl Crawford whining again. :tongue2:

I don't know how it applies to football but he's right about shoulder injuries being the most problematic of injuries for pitchers. Here's the...

NHL 13, or FIFA 13 depending on who I'm playing with.

You're the best.

Okiedokie. The point being, 2014 cap space isn't "meaningless," especially when it comes at the expense of a fringe-average player.