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Amazing. McDaniel believes the cap impacted their decision making: “It all comes back to the fact that there’s a finite salary cap,” McDaniel...

Another one bites the dust: [MEDIA]

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They absolutely didn't have the space for them. They didn't even have the space to franchise tag either.

I used "you" above in the post above yours. Hopefully your head doesn't explode! :lol::lol::lol:

But that's just the reality of the positions when you are signing top players in FA. Look around the league. Wilikins and Hunt contracts aren't...

Right, and we weren't going to pay Wilkins or Hunt the money because of the cap, which was the point many of us were making. Passing on AVG at...

Who said I wasn't happy? I don't think it's a good signing. He's not complete enough of a center to be signed on day 1 on a 3 year deal. Have...

I've been pretty consistent. Pass blocking in this scheme doesn't matter much. If it did, McDaniel would have gotten a better pass blocking...

Well when that 280lb man is trying to block a 350lb man without a running start. That's when it becomes a problem. At least Tua will be able to...

Surprised Chris Grier didn't check in with danmarino on thephins.com. Could have kept all our guys.

Right, I mean there's a reason why Wilkins is making 4x as much. Not comparable, and I really like Sieler.

It's not like the fans get to choose what the organization does. However, the fans have watched their center long enough to probably recognize if...

I'm not sure you can really coach up his size. Can't change physics. He's like the smallest center in the league. I would have just waited...

Dreaming? Not at all. I don't want any excuses. Seems like a crazy reach on day 1, and Titan fans are laughing at us about it. I've said it...

And then the same folks will use it as an excuse when Tua is ineffective or gets injured.

All I can say about this signing is I guess the Dolphins agree with me that pass blocking with Tua is rather irrelevant.

You lost the highest rated player from PFF on defense in AVG in a position of MASSIVE need. You lost the core and the leader on defense in...

Holland and Sieler are pretty far from being core guys. Chubb and Phillips are coming back from major injuries. I don't think I'm pretending the...

Who is the core on defense? Ramsey? Who else you got? You lost AVG and Wilkins who were two core guys on defense. AVG was especially needed with...

LULZ: [MEDIA]

You lost your roster core on defense to FA and/or injury. They going to be dumb enough to extend Tua anyway to try to sell tickets to the...

Well if you don't think they are going to win next season, then you need to do more than this BS. Forget extending Tua, and consider trading him....

This logic makes zero sense? You need to keep your good players AND then add on. It's not addition by subtraction. You lost 4 very valuable...

If the roster goes backwards talent wise, and you got blown out by playoff teams, and weren't remotely competitive in your only playoff game in...

Shouldn't you be busy in some thread telling us the cap doesn't matter? LMAO

Ouchies. Another one.

Some are a lot worse than others. Also means you aren't drafting all that well. Can't keep hiding that. Can't keep trading picks away and going...

Tua's pressure and hit rates were some of the lowest in the league. His hit rate was the lowest. I've been through this argument too many times....

His guaranteed is 21.19m. It would have left an unhappy player but one then you could perhaps trade or get better compensation than the 3rd...

I think Gink going to cost a lot more than people think. He might be gone too.

They didn't need to, could have just tagged him, but again, they couldn't because of the cap.

#salarycapisntreal

PFF had the line ranked 20th. Their pass block win rate was 31st but that goes by 2.5 seconds, and the throws are on average throw well before...

You should read your own posts more. It's not your fault.

It doesn't really impact the passing offense. The offense operates in getting the ball out as quick to playmakers. Until that changes, how the...

The line doesn't matter much with the scheme they run. If they want the line to matter, they'd have to have Tua hold the ball and drop back more,...

Nope. Grier is pot committed to Tua, or otherwise he has to admit Flores was right all along.

If they go backwards next season, this relationship is going to get real ugly. Hill off the field is a complete garbage person.

Yep, "Tua does gain weight easy" Then they went into the Polynesian thing which makes sense. Tua just got to work extra hard if he wants to keep...

Some weird stuff in here. Hill says Tua gains weight easily which is no surprise, and communication issues: "Hill indicated that the...

The 2023 Dolphins were 1-5 against playoff teams. Tua got a .300 record against playoff teams in his career. They weren't remotely competitive...

Actually, I'm worried about bringing an even worse team back.

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They tried restructuring Bak but couldn't come to an agreement. Whole lotta holes to fill!

But there might be penalties to selling the CDs and stocks. It can be at your request but not without complications and loss.

Some people get rolled up, and injure something. Some people get rolled up, and walk it off. Being more limber is a thing. Look at how many games...

1. They literally don't have the space to currently do it. 2. They can make the space, but it would place them in an awkward position with rest of...

Nope, and I happen to think staying healthy is a skill, and he's been very good at that. Question is more performance related at his age. He...

Sounds like guard market going to get paid Zeitler would be a good get, but he's no spring chicken.

But you might not be able to do either. Trade or get a deal done. Bak is the only one making real money outside of Tua, and then what do you do at...

Who is playing both sides? What are you talking about? Correct. He likely won't be tagged because of the cap situation. That's what everyone is...

Well OTC says different. OTC had his franchise tag number around there.

They'll compete, but I think talent wise on a whole roster level they'll go backwards from 2023.

Over the cap has it at $31,638,623 currently. Add in Wilkins 22m or so franchise tag? You are close to 55m. Once again, it's not that they can't,...

According to that reddit post, assuming you MAX out the savings, those 4 would save you about 55m, which basically gets you to even after you tag...

Well they might not want to restructure all the guys that can be restructured. Like what if they don't want to give Tua a massive deal? Or what if...

Yep. They can't cut 55m, tag Wilkins, risk he doesn't take an extension, and then figure out contracts like AVG, Hunt, and Williams. Not to...

The larger key is needing to cut so much in so short of a period. If they wanted to tag Wilkins, they'd need to be cap compliant including his...

Your understanding is so basic. They need to cut 55m in 10 days. It's not necessarily about where they end up.

They can't franchise tag because of their cap situation. Be really difficult to get under for his tag number by March 13.

Well it would be good if people who have voiced concerns about the salary cap weren't treated like morons because they did. All these problems...

LOL @ negative sources. It's the biggest insider in the sport and literally everyone is saying it. You just did the equivalent of posting a week...

Something something cap isn't real. Can manipulate everything. Yadda yadda. [MEDIA]

Tyreek is such a moron off the field. Constantly putting himself in bad situations that blow up in his face. Horrible human being. Great football...

Looking like another cap casualty: [MEDIA] Not sure how this line improves next season.

Purdy should be where Stafford is if not higher. Would put Tua in that 10-15 range.

I'm fine with either. I just don't want them to lose Wilkins and not get anything because they can't tag him due to cap issues. Tag or extend.

The cap space issues I think will make it harder to tag Wilkins as they'll need to pay everything this season. They can't manipulate it.

That's a different argument than the one we were discussing. The line gave Tua enough time as he wasn't pressured/hit at all this season and could...

Hope they tag Wilkins: https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news/the-miami-dolphins-face-a-tough-decision-with-defensive-tackle-christian-wilkins

Is Danny Crossman still the special teams coach?

Anger & personal insults again. It's not your fault. You really still aren't getting it. Read posts above or don't. Just know the pleasure has...

Not at all. I'm saying he would have been pressured more, or sometimes the line would have held, but at his current pressure rates he could have...

Next Gen Stats had Tua #1 at 2:36 seconds and Mac Jones 2nd at 2.46 seconds. And no one is disputing he got rid of the ball quickly. The dispute...

Nope. You are failing to understand how this works. If you hold onto the ball longer, you get pressured more (eg Tannehill), but Tua wasn't...

This is the stat people are quoting like it's gospel: [MEDIA]

You can repeat yourself all you'd like. Think logically here. No one designs an offense with the idea the offensive line is going to be terrible....

Well that's kind of a different argument, but I would agree with you. The design and scheme makes the offensive line's pass blocking rather...

That stat is flawed though (the inventor admitted this) and doesn't actually determine if the "win" resulted in a pressure. The stat of pressures...

The stats (PFR) showed Tua was pressured one of the least in the league. He could have afforded to hold ball longer, but that's not what McDaniel...

I said it in the post you quoted. Teams gamble on tools and upside. Teams want high upside even if that likelihood of them reaching it is low....

Fields would have to make an Allen level transformation throwing which is unlikely but teams gamble on upside for a reason. I think he'll got for...

Who said that wasn't a concern with Fields? Who said it was no longer a thing? You folks always trying to find gotchas for no fcking reason.

It's definitely still a thing, but last year was an outlier in a professional and college career of injuries. Getting rid of the ball quickly...

I don't think they will because they don't have the money or trade capital, but he'd certainly be intriguing if McDaniel could make improvements...

Just draft a QB, and keep doing it until you hit. It's not like you are any good at drafting anyway.

I thought one interesting point in that video was how Tua no longer takes a deep drop. Take less of a drop will always result in more pressure....

Some of the beat writers have said Wilkins is SUPER cheap. I don't see him taking a discount, but we'll see. If they can't workout an extension...

I don't think anyone is saying that though. I think it's just the reality of the cap and how you don't have unlimited funds. You can manipulate...

But it's a compounding effect. You have to pay up eventually. It's not like you get away with paying 2.5m forever.

You are using some "objective data" to show Tua is top 5. I'm using the same "objective data" to illustrate things are more complex. You do you.

No, I'm using your words to show a logical flaw. I'm illustrating why it's ridiculous to say "Tua is objectively a top 5 QB." Using your logic if...

Hate? Jesus man. Stop being so emotional. Who is twisting your words? You are saying he's "objectively" a top 5 passer. Wha exactly are you basing...

By that metric Tua is a better QB than Mahomes. Maybe it's a bit more complex than passer rating?

You tag and trade. You can also just tag, and deal with it. Wilkins might not be happy, but the deck is rigged, and players are screwed if they...

If they don't at least tag and trade him, it's DEFINITELY about the salary cap.

Yep. Can't draft this bad for this long.

Grier definitely doing it. He needs the extension to make space because of all the bad money he has on the books. Just going to be hilarious when...

Hootie looks in better shape

I didn't actually say that. Certainly an outlier in his career. First time since high school, want to make a bet he doesn't repeat?

It really won't add anything. In 2020 (year of that clip), Tua averaged 3.0 yards per attempt. To put that in perspective, Tom Brady in 2021 at 44...

No, but they share the same problem, and one of them is responsible for it. The choice is to address it or be ignorant. The latter just delays...

Not really. I want Grier to blowup and I want McDaniel to stay. The roster isn't McDaniel's problem. The talent on it is, and that's the GM's...

But that's not good enough! A winning season isn't good enough! It's like eating a sandwich made of dog poop for many years, and now eating a...

That's nonsense though. People aren't blaming the head coach that's been here for 2 years!! People are blaming Grier who has been here for 24...

Bro. Those games weren't close though. We were blown out by the playoff level teams, Chiefs, Bills, and Ravens. In a season where QBs had a down...

Was reading X might have an injury clause similar to Byron Jones. Might be stuck with that contract. And yeah, agreed. You are just pushing the...

Ross is really the only one that can save us from a Tua extension. It makes too much sense for Grier.

This was a really good read on the cap: [MEDIA]

Bottom left Tua: https://x.com/throwthedamball/status/1754701861616013590?s=20

Yeah, I heard that but I think the difference is the Dolphins would be OK if Wilkins played on the franchise tag, and they really didn't want...

I'm pretty sure Wilkins is a goner. From what I've read, he's not taking a discount, and we don't have the cap space to compete. They should tag...

This isn't going to be an easy gig. 3rd DC in 3 years. Missing a lot of talent. Best of luck, but can't make chicken salad out of chicken shi*.

It's funny about "Tua hate" allegation and not being a real fan. Go on another team's message board, and read how much excitement the thought of...

Not a problem at all, it's already been said, but you keep ignoring it. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Brock Purdy all played better against playoff...

I would disagree. I think similar QBs could do the same. A lot of it is the system. It's not really anticipation when the throw, time of the...

Tua's performance was a nothing burger, but I think when people say Tua has elite accuracy, this just further illustrates that's really overblown....

The problem is really using stats and it's prediction as gospel, when there's often too many variables. Just inaccurate models being paraded as...

I don't think any experienced DC is going to take this job. Too much of an uphill climb with the talent that will be missing. My guess is they...

Trade up. Draft QB.

How would Ron Jaworski know anything? How would he know if some players didn't want to put in the work? What inside sources confirmed this? This...

3rd DC in 3 years, and many players missing. I don't see how the defense doesn't take a step backwards next season.

His mental processing is definitely a part of it. They both custom built very simple systems for him. Flores RPO based and McDaniel with throwing...

I don't think he'd survive the season to a new contract if he stood in there like the rest of the league does, even if he moved up to average QB...

I'm less worried about the clutch stats than the QB pressure. Because the clutch stuff can just be noise in small sample. The larger concern is...

Lamar played 8 playoff teams this regular season, and his numbers against playoff teams were BETTER against them than non-playoff teams. Josh...

Objectively, they haven't won a playoff game in 23 years. There's no judging individual seasons in a vacuum here. Incremental improvements are IMO...

Bingo. Folks don't seem to get this isn't about a 1-2 game playoff sample. Tua was terrible against playoff teams this WHOLE season, and terrible...

It's not your fault.

I'll say as well, Lamar showed all season that he was capable of beating playoff caliber teams. He had monster numbers against them, so despite...

Yes, but Grier would have to blow himself up in that process and he's not going to do that. So he'll keep selling this team and putting blame...

A "high level club employee" can be coordinator. It's not your fault.

High level employees can be coordinators.

Yeah, it's in the collective bargaining agreement, “clubs are not permitted to exchange draft choices or cash for the release of individuals who...

I'm not disagreeing with you? I agree he's great. I'm also saying he's not under contract and are risk at losing him which will hurt. The...

Williams great. Another guy they need to pay but aren't going to have the money for. Can't pay them all.

Part of the reason why Grier grabs these types of players though is he has to. When you are up against the cap, and you can't draft good cost...

Should have had the Eagles pay something to get him. He was under contract.

"if not Tua, then WHO?" There's no easy answers. There's no franchise QBs in FA. If you don't think Tua is the guy, then why waste another...

You are so boring. Get some new material.

For real. It's crazy how quickly people turn. Dolphin fans were ecstatic he was named DC like the next coming of Shula, now all of a sudden he...

Lol. No. It's really not THAT different.

The defense still held their own with many stars missing. Big loss. Jumped a sinking ship.

The creator of those ESPN stats admitted that one of their stats (Pass rush win rate) was flawed. Not really buying the pass blocking was that...

Just a lottery ticket bandaid that can't solve Grier's very real problems drafting. Can't build a team this way.

My stats for Tua AND Maholmes are by PFR, and very much not lies. You need to be better at conversing with other people without calling them...

Tua was pressured 6x in the KC game for a rate of 14%. Maholmes was pressured 7x in the same game for a rate of 16.3%, and 24.0% against Buffalo....

I'd just draft a QB this season. Someone toolsy that you could start to develop.

Yeah, good read. Folks need to stop pretending like this is a one or two game thing that's pressure/pyschologically related. Unfortunately, it's...

Says the person incapable of disputing those facts and then chooses to hurl personal insults.

I don't know where you are getting that stat from but this is from Ryan Smith: "#Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa ends the season with a 93.6 overall...

The guy who ran those stats said Purdy, Jackson, and Allen all have played better against playoff teams than non-playoff teams. Purdy was VERY...

For real. It's not even he struggles when the stakes are high. This isn't a Tua crumbles at high pressure. Tua crumbles against good competition....

You didn't really answer the question.

Wonderful, and the Dolphins STILL can't beat that team and QB. If you think so lowly of the Bills and their QB, what does that say about the...

You move the goalposts enough now? Jesus man. I know you want this to be about a game or two, but the facts are this. Allen and Lamar Jackson...

You know 64 is better than 63.9? It's still better than Tua! LMAO!

Not to mention, if you think 86.1 is bad, what do you think about Tua's 63.9?

Lol. Lucky for Tua. Can you imagine him trying to tackle Allen?

Maybe. You think I could smash Tua too like Allen? lmao

Not really. I'm showing you stats where one players has been completely non-competitive against playoffs teams, and one player who has been....

Arguing with a wall. Whatever.

2023: Trailing, < 4 min to go (QB Rating)- Allen: 139.9 Tua: 67.8 Trailing, < 2 min to go (QB Rating)- Allen: 112.5 Tua: 57.0 That doesn't even...

That's like saying I should play QB for the Dolphins because Allen can't get into the Super Bowl. Who cares? Right now we are a couple steps...

Well unfortunately the Dolphins will keep watching Allen lose in the playoffs at home because they can't beat him or playoff caliber teams as long...

Bro Allen had 3 TDs, no INTS, and a game-ending drive good enough to tie this game. It's not going to be perfect. I'm glad Bills lost, but you are...

LOL. I mean his guy bumped him, and he still put team there to tie with a field goal. Awful choke of a kick.

If you are watching this Bills v KC game, see these QBs, and think Tua is your guy. You have your head buried 10 feet in the sand.

The difference down the stretch was the offense ran into playoff teams. It was the same when they were healthy and ran into Buffalo, KC, and...

The defense still held their own despite being decimated. The only player we were missing on offense was Connor Williams. Injuries really didn't...

Another thing that Tua needs to fix is he needs to be better under pressure. This has been consistent in his career and consistent this season...

Tua doesn't suck. He just sucks against playoff caliber teams. That's what his career stats say. He's got a 84.06 passer rating, averaging 1.17...

I kind of think the opposite. I find him hilarious in interviews and very genuine. Praises other players. He always talks hood AF and I love it.

Tua better because he has a higher passer rating. LULZ.

Threatening to hold out, isn't holding out. Yes it does matter, if rookies don't agree to the contract, they would get re-drafted, and then if...

How often do drafted players hold out? What are their options if they don't reach an agreement? This isn't even worthy of conversation. Rookie...

What? Why are you acting like a rookie contract and a FA contract are the same? Aidan pretty much had to take the deal.

I'd take the over on that. That's Aidan's rookie contract.

AVG is another guy who is in line for a BIG payday. I think it's a pretty easy to say he was the best defensive player on the team this season.

I'm not increasing Tua's cap hit. I'm keeping it as is. For someone that doesn't think the cap matters, you for some reason think it matters a LOT...

I think that's being heavily implied. Grier said in press conference something along the lines of "He's earned his chance at FA." He said similar...

I think the defense is going to take a step back. Not having Wilkins is big, or needing to pay him is going to take up cap space. Chubb and JP...

As long as Tua can play non-playoff teams all season. He's elite: [ATTACH]

2023 might have been the best this roster looks. Don't see how they field a better team needing this much and not having the cap space, and being...

Doesn't that depend on when he retires?

Why? I thought when a player retires the salary doesn't count against the cap.

Be nice if Armstead retired, could use that money better.

This are Tua's career stats. If this doesn't paint the picture, nothing will. His success is this league is hollow. [IMG]...

This is spot on, especially the bit about becoming the Cowboys. That's basically the ceiling:...

Of course McDaniel can change the narrative both by internally supporting in locker room and building everything around Tua's strengths. You...

It was reported by beat reporters though that multiple players in the locker room didn't think Tua was the goods during the Flores years. Like I...

It's not a guess. It was reported by the beat reporters at the time. I think the relevant question is why they DIDN'T vote him as captain in...

During Flores years, there was a lot of talk about how players didn't believe Tua was good. Locker room chatter. If the coach, Flores, didn't...

I think part of this as well is players didn't really respect Tua before McDaniel came along. McDaniel had to sell Tua to everyone. Build the...

Pretty much. Which is why it's necessary for Ross to bring in a new GM. Need someone new to look at this team with the mentality of, "I didn't...

I think mental toughness in big games is a cop out. A lot of the games Tua was poor in, weren't big games. They were just good teams that...

Why would you do this instead of just playing a one year option on Tua? How much are you really going to save by extending one more season?

I don't think he's top 10. Many would agree with me. QB is by far the most important position on the field. It's not even close to other...

It's a lot of crapshoot. Getting top 5 or top 10 pick is no guarantee. Many bust. I'd draft a QB every season.

Why not just one more year and draft a QB this year?

It's really not this career ending, and it's not like Cousins runs. He can plant his foot. That's not really something you can't do in recovery....

In actual player statistics...

34 year old Cousins was healthier than a 24 year old Tua. 33 year old Cousins was healthier than a 23 year old Tua. 32 year old Cousins was...

And yet, Cousins still has better career numbers, better playoffs numbers, and has a much longer history of staying healthy in this league than Tua.

Same. My guess is Grier is stubborn and rolls with Tua, and McDaniel not going to push for the change.

• Trade Tua, sign Cousins: The equation here is that Cousins and a draft pick (or picks) would be better than continuing with Tagovailoa. The...

So what though? We weren't even competitive in the playoffs. That #1 offense you mentioned was non existent when it mattered on multiple...

Allowing Grier to make any more decisions is like allowing an arsonist to rebuild your house that burnt down.

Agreed, but that wasn't the problem in KC. In KC, they were only missing really one key piece on offense, and that was Connor Williams. I'm sure...

The dropoff had more to do with not playing pumpkin teams and weather. Nothing is perfect around QBs. Joe Burrow took team to Super Bowl with a...

I like moving to McDaniel, because I think this is an offensive league and you need an offensive mind. That said, I think saying it would have...

I think it also handicaps his throwing abilities. He's not really standing in there to take hits on throws. If you watch the Warner videos,...

Dolphins now with the longest active streak of not winning a playoff game. IMO, I like Ross in that he wants to win. Some owners don't have that,...

This is definitely a big fear of mine. Grier trying to fit a square peg in a round hole because the alternative is has to admit Flores was right,...

Flores wanted Love. The guy who picked the worst QB in that draft got to keep his job though. Make it make sense.

I think Dak is a better version of Tua. Guy ain't it. Don't make the same mistake Dallas did and lock him in.

Cousins has better numbers than Tua both in career and in the playoffs. Had a higher rating last season, and was very good in his last playoof...

I would disagree. I think Cousins is a solid upgrade to Tua. Tua stayed healthy a full season, when he never does. That in itself is MASSIVE break...

I don't think it's change for the sake of change. I think it's wanting change because they know this current roster and the QB leading it can only...

@flasportsbuzz I ran all the numbers in this piece, and here's one that should concern everyone: Dolphins had 71 possessions in their 7 games...

And they can flip the switch and elevate their games because they have the physical ability to do so. They have the physical gifts to put their...

God no. You want an offensive mind. That's what wins in the league. McDaniel is him. He just needs QB that doesn't limit him.

Yep. Sherfield. The ball is going into the hole on time. It's up to the receiver to get there. That's what HE said. Like I said, Warner does a...

I'd let Howard go. He's just not that good and being paid like he is. Cutting Howard, Ogbah, and Baker post June 1 would save 45m.

Correct. There's nothing elite about it because he's not actually processing the defense. He's usually following his first read. He's throwing the...

You would lose that case sir. I didn't say it doesn't matter. I'm saying there's a lot more that surrounds stats. Context around them. How they...

Ermmm. Where did I say it doesn't matter? I think it's important to note Tua's great passer rating occurred in a season where he faced the least...

I'm not saying he's going to lead you to a Superbowl. I'm saying, if you want to move on from Tua, draft a QB, and want to still compete, go get...

I mean, he was 3rd in passer rating this year, 4th last year, and 9th the year before that. He's pretty consistently good. He also consistently...

I'm not going to guess what Cousins is going to be coming off his injury and at his age, but 2023 Cousins was probably better than 70% of QBs in...

If you can get him for that, AND draft a QB. I'm down. I like Cousins a lot. Underrated IMO.

Na. He had a 112.9 rating in 2022 playoffs. 80% completion. 273 yards. 2 TDs. 0 INTS. He wasn't the problem. That's not crumbling.

At Alabama, Tua was statistically worse the more time he got. Tua has always been what he is. A system QB. Get the play off, everything works as...

I'd love Cousins actually, but I don't see him aging well. He gets murdered every year. Highest QB hit rate in the league consistently. But he's...

Yeah man. Keep holding up that title of "leagues leading passer" like it means something. How'd that work out when games mattered? There's no...

Mac Jones had the 2nd quickest release this season. Elite decision making isn't a thing. It's just some QBs are gifted with ridiculous talent and...

Tua is PHYSICALLY weak. Physically lacking in freaking everything. EVERYTHING. It's like saying I can't bench 400 lbs because I'm mentally weak....

It's so scary to think Grier could lock us into this bullshi* for another 5+ years in the offseason. I CANNOT MENTALLY HANDLE ANOTHER TANNEHILL

You can't. I would trade Tua for whatever you can get, and draft a high ceiling high bust type in the draft (because that's the only type you can...

Correct. We faced the lowest amount of winning teams in the league. This season will not repeat, and highly unlikely Tua stays healthy another...

IMO, problem isn't the fight in Tua. Not a mental issue. It's complete nonsense as fans to think you know the mental strength of a player or...

Fire Grier before he ignores the F up drafting Tua and extends him.

Someone twist Kelce's dic* so he can't have sex with Taylor tonight.

Remember when we beat the Jets? Wow. What a win. Can they put up a flag?

It's not going to happen, but I wouldn't even sign Tua to the option next year. Why pretend? Why finish middling and draft in the back? Draft a...

Can't wait for an offseason talking about how Tua is a great long term option because of regular season passer rating and yard totals. We are so...

It's not your fault Tua. It's not your fault.

It wasn't a called screen. Tua just decided that was the best place for the ball.

For real. Guy is sitting in his own sanctimonious delusion. Must hurt to be so wrong.

Tua just chucking into double coverage because that's read #1 and Hill.

The problem is Grier picked Tua. If he has to basically admit Tua was a bad pick, his career as a GM is over. So he's going to say we have the...

Yep. Was a hold, but you can't push QB there. That's as clear as day.

Yep, and passed on Herbert. Can't mess up on picking the QB. Sets your franchise back 5 years. Now this offseason, they have a chance to set it...

Na. Those guys are just h8ers who hate Tua!

Nothing magic about it. He's physically unfit for the job in the NFL. Can only throw up so many smoke and mirrors before reality kicks your butt.

Tua holding the ball long isn't a good thing. It means they are doing well at taking his 1st read away.

Maybe the defense can score some points too because the offense isn't.

The defense has seen what the offense does when they make the stops. I'd be demoralized too.

There's not an opposing fan I know that doesn't want the Dolphins to extend Tua.

Just run the ball. Give up on Tua already.

JFC Tua

Stroud is the goods. Drafting a great QB can instantly make you a contender.

Either have faith in Tua or run the ball. Doing this BS screens isn't going to cut it. Everyone is up.

Tua not made for this

I'd like to hit her with a large wet fish.

Now the NFL needs to go to work to keep KC on top.

LOL. OMGGGGG Hill.

Offense needs to do SOMETHING

They are going to do it because Grier drafted him. Once they do, at least we can count down the years from there.

Tua such a mess off schedule.

I thought Lamar and Dak got the All-Pro nods? https://www.nfl.com/news/2023-all-pro-team-lamar-jackson-tyreek-hill-aaron-donald-highlight-roster

LOL. Tua. Bro. Wear gloves. Please. @MailOnline Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa reveals he WON'T wear gloves for Chiefs playoff game - despite...

They should. The Chiefs suck. Only the weather, the NFL and TSwift's nipples can stop us.

No

Kind of goes through a lot of 1st read window stuff we have been discussing: [MEDIA]

Yep. Also, Tua trying to throw deep to the sidelines won't ever be a good look for him. He doesn't have the arm strength for those throws. Both of...

Hilarious. How is not posting, "gloating?" That's allowing fans to gloat and celebrate, and not pissing on their parade despite expecting a...

Agreed, but there won't be any wind either. The passing game should be full steam ahead.

The rushing attack died in the 2nd half of the Bills game because the Bills moved to single high safety to take away the run. The threat to pass...

The offense is basically going to be whole with Waddle and Mostert back. The defense is the troubling part with all the injuries. Very winnable...

Literally no one is doing that, but whatever narrative works for the victim card you guys all play.

Not sure what point you are making. Mac Jones was 2nd at 2.46, but was pressured 16th most at 20.1%. That's where Tua was last year (20%). The...

Guy who says he's blocking me, unblocks me to talk crap, gets slapped with reality, plays victim, AND then has the stones to call ME pathetic!...

I love it. Talk shi*. Get slapped with a dose of reality. Play victim.

Tua's ability to get out the ball quicker didn't happen this season. He's always had a quick release. The difference between last year and this...

You seem kind of obsessed with me. Didn't you block me, or did you just say you did? The Jets after the Dolphins game gave up 28 to Jacoby...

That's true but those types of throws to the sidelines are very much against Tua's strengths. If you weren't going to throw it over the middle, or...

Also, overall on the season, Tua's pressure rate was 14.4%. That's 31st of of 32 QBs this season. Before you come at me with, well he gets rid of...

Right. So there was absolutely no reason to force the throw there, but that was the plan pre-snap, so that's where it went. He was staring down...

LOL using PFF to grade lineman. Using screenshot proof to show Tua didn't have pressure on that interception. "Let me break out the PFF scores!"

But the line was good in this game, they had 4 out of 5 starters playing. On the last interception, he had 3 seconds and threw the ball anyway,...

Let him play out his current contract is pretty simple. If you get the same or worse, then you need to make tough decisions and bring in a veteran...

He absolutely had a throwing lane for Wilson. The defender was behind him and he was running open with no one else around him. Throwing deep and...

That's a massive kick in the balls. Really needed Gink.

Not to mention, that screenshot was bad. The ball was already out of Tua's hand at that point and Wilson was already slowing down.

It's not really a narrative. It's just further highlighting the Dolphins inability to beat good teams.

"The New England Patriots beat more above .500 teams than the Miami Dolphins this season." https://x.com/CoreyB08/status/1744208832996188275?s=20

That looks stupid easy

A QB can make a bad throw and the defense can get credit. Both things can be true. You should go back and re-watch it. He did strip it out, and...

It's going to be cold, but it's going to be clear and not stupid windy. I don't think throwing the ball is off the table.

Can't agree there. I think you have to give the defense credit for turning up the pressure and getting those bad throws. Especially have to give...

They held Buffalo to two TDs and had 3 turnovers. I'm not sure what else you want from the defense who are decimated at key positions.

Gink needs to be available. X-Rays negative. Going for MRI. That will be huge.

I think they run to the outside to open the passing game in the middle of the field where everyone knows that's where Tua attacks. Achane...

If this is going to be a running game battle, the Dolphins defense has the advantage there. They are 6th in the league at 3.8 yards per attempt....

The Chiefs offense is ***, and our defense is still showing up. Hopefully Gink isn't out, because that's a massive loss if he is. Waddle should...

Tua keeps receipts.

I don't think they should walk away this year. I think they should should let him repeat it on a one year deal when staying healthy a whole season...

I don't think McDaniel is a problem. I think Tua is a problem without simple solutions. However, if the choice is give him a large long term...

"In six games against playoff teams this year (five losses), Tua Tagovailoa completed 65% of his attempts, averaged 6.9 yards per pass, with 7...

I agree if they extend him, but I think they'll be under less pressure to extend him long term, and might just let him repeat another season. His...

Poupart pointed this out before, but this is a better analysis.

The Chiefs aren't a good team. They are totally beatable. But it's going to be hard to beat the NFL, Swifties, and the Chiefs in KC.

Speaking of turds, don't blame me for knowing this is who Tua is. He's a system QB in an amazing system with a ridiculous cast. Those blaming...

BUT BUT BUT PASSER RATING!!

Holy crap. If they extend Tua, and doom this franchise I'm going to lose it.

Tua is FRAUD. WEAK ARM. WEAK EVERYTHING.

Time to show up Tua

He's choked away every big game in the NFL at the end of the seasons. You put any half way decent QB in a system as good as this, and weapons as...

This is my biggest fear. Grier ignoring the fact Tua is a fraud, and paying him a massive sum because they lack alternative options.

Blame moving to McDaniel as expected, but he'll always be handicapped with who he has at QB on offense.

Can't just soft toss everything.

Achane BEAST

Stay in the end zone you moron.

Damn Hill was goooone with a good ball

Oh Tua

Agree to disagree. Jets definitely need one.

Of course it wouldn't be a success. Personally, it would be worst case scenario to be stuck in that good enough to be around playoffs, pick in the...

Enhance

This is going to be a close one. Titan's pass defense is bottom 3-5 in the league. Jets pass defense is top 5 in the league. If the Jets offense...

I have no idea what you meant? The offense was a$$. End.

What? 1. They didn't put up 30 points. 2. The defense scored 7 on their own. 3. The defense recovered a failed punt return, and gave the offense...

Well once Tyreek went out, Tua was confused on where to go with the ball. They took away the 1st read well. Like on the last sack to end the...

The shift to blaming McDaniel has already started as expected, when in reality the fact he made things look as good as he did is nothing short of...

Not a good start and tough road ahead. Time for Tua to step up and change the narrative.

Yikes. 2nd ACL tear. Not good for his future. These guys need to grab as much money as quickly as possible.

This is why people complaining about players holding out for more money is so ridiculous. Connor Williams now with a torn ACL and no money...

Going to face a bunch of real defenses the rest of the way. The Titans had one of the worst pass defenses in the league, and once Tyreek went out....

And the schedule only gets real from here.... If you are going to extend Tua, you damn better make sure Tyreek is extended with him.

What a turnaround.

God damn. What an amazing break.

This is one of the worst pass defenses in the league too. If you can't get it done here against this team and at home. Good luck to you.

Holy shi*. Clearly offensive PI.

Tua a mess without Hill

The offense without Hill is lost. Better figure something else out quick.

Awful Chubb.

Soooo lucky that wasn't a pick 6.

The one that you filmed from the bushes outside of her home?

You can make up whatever story you want in your head to make yourself feel better about attacking me. You said I'm not saying anything positive....

Where did I say I wasn't happy about how this season is going? Again, this started because I complimented Tyreek and had the gall to not also...

I posted about how great Tyreek is, and got called out on it for not also saying how great Tua is. Meanwhile:

That's not actually rating the defense they have played. They've face a lot of terrible defenses. Faced only ONE top 10 defense in passer rating...

The problem with this is you made this up. I didn't mock other fans. I literally got called out in this thread because I said how great Tyreek...

It's hilarious to keep bringing up Mahomes in his bad season, while ignoring the QBs that played well against the Jets, the Eagles (there's a...

Completely unrelated to what I said, but I'll play. Looks like the organization dodged a big bullet based on Watson's play, but it's a long...

I think cheerleading conversations is rather dull. I rather look at the team critically, and a big concern for me is how they will far against...

I've said I'm a Dolphins fan like a million times. I've been called Jets fan a million times, and have called them crap and said I'm happy they...

LOL. No. I'm saying you are cherrypicking Mahomes in a season where he's bad, doesn't have receivers, and are trying to find meaning, while...

Top 10 based on what metric? They are literally dead last right now in passer rating against (106) on the season. They are an awful passing defense.

Here's a list of QBs that had a higher passer rating than Tua against the Eagles defense: Purdy Kirk Cousins Sam Howell Dak Sam Howell (again)...

No. What you are doing is cherrypicking Maholmes against the Jets in a season where he doesn't have receivers while ignoring the QBs like Allen...

You think Mahomes has peaked at 28, or just is taking a step back because he doesn't have receivers?

You have trouble with reading comprehension, you just stated "Showing a person that their expectations of Tua are biased." Expecting Tua to play...

How is expecting Tua to play well against good teams biased? Purdy lit up the Eagles with a 148.8 rating on Sunday. Tua put up a 87.5 rating....

No. That's the definition of moving the goalposts. That's changing the argument. That's moving the discussion. That's changing the subject. I...

This is hilarious because within this post, YOU are the one moving the goalposts. I said Tua would struggle against the Jets defense, he did....

What's transparent? Who said he's my favorite QB? You are just making things up. Instead of punching down, you should punch up. Brock Purdy just...

Be hard for Tua to have a bad day with how bad Washington is defensively. Mike White walked down the field for a TD with ease. Washington is bad....

Not exactly. I expect them to beat bad teams because the offensive talent and scheme on this team is too great. Like Washinton is terrible,...

This thread was started and continued because if Denver won, they would have beaten a winning team. Denver is no longer a winning team again....

I mean Tyreek is pretty ridiculous. But yeah, Washington is super garbage. Mike White threw the ball once, and the team scored a TD on an easy...

LOL....

Sorry, stating how great Tyreek is upsets you? Washington pretty garbage. Dolphins did what they should have. The actual test will be the last 3...

Tyreek is a monster

https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news/miami-dolphins-qb-tua-tagovailoa-looking-to-finish-strong-for-once

I think that's accurate. He's targeting Christmas Eve return which is about 3 weeks. I agree. It's a terrible idea for him to return this year...

I am? You are an orthopedic doctor/surgeon or do you just play one on the internet?

But you were using timetables of people that didn't have the same surgery? So that's not a valid comparison. Cam Akers, returned to the field in 5...

Why do you keep comparing his timeline to a common one? He had a completely different surgery.

Where's the negativity? I'm just not pumped about beating the Jets because they are crap.

Some of these posters are unbearable. All because I said I wasn't super pumped about beating a dogshi* team like the Jets.

Correct. The playoffs are the only thing that really matters. Championships are the only thing that matters. The Bills went 13-3 last year and...

Deflect? It's your question. Hypotheticals work both ways.

And if he doesn't, what will be your excuse?

I try to stay pretty even minded and understand the grind of the season leads to the only thing that matters. Playoffs. If the Dolphins make the...

Fail. That was the game the Bills won 32-6.

The Jets were 4-6 heading into the game, and 4-7 now. If beating losing teams with the worst offense in the league gets you pumped, have at it.

Left field? YOU put quotes around the word "horrible." If you weren't quoting me, then who were you quoting? Beating the Jets makes me yawn....

Who said our offense is horrible? I wouldn't say giving up 27 points to a team that usually scores 30+ is "embarrassing." Well the defense got a...

Allen before this last game had a 106.6 against the Jets. Dak had a 111.4 rating. Mac Jones 85.6. Russell Wilson 100.1. I don't think passer...

Na. Your reading comprehension is just bad. That's a pretty different point, but it doesn't really address what I stated. Tua's numbers are...

Really not a horrible strawman at all. You can't take away the bad and keep the good. That's not how this works.

So you are saying if Tyreek was even more perfect Tua would be better? I guess let's disregard the fact Tyreek is such a beast he makes QBs elite...

Yeah, it's almost like he's dropping as he faces actual defenses.

I agree Prescott always chokes, but didn't you just say the Jets have a great defense?

Not really that Tua sucks, but the Jets game is the type of correction I've been talking about. People keep clamoring about Tua being #1 in passer...

I was looking at this (Opponent Game Logs): https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2023/gamelog/ Not sure why those numbers are off.