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He's #3 in rushing yards. #1 in rushing TDs. Top 5 passer rating. Hurts can squat 600 lbs. The tush push is a play that other teams would like to...

Unless you want to release Tua and trade Tyreek. I think it's too late. You are locked into these players, coach, and scheme. They aren't doing...

Everyone is better than our boy. That's the problem. There's really no comparison with any of those QBs. It's like comparing a fan in the seats to...

Down to the final 4. You have 4 mobile very athletic elite athletes at QB. Not rocket science. Just from a defensive planning perspective, it' s...

People seem to forget what the offense was like before Tyreek Hill got here.

How does it disprove it? What I disproved was the myth Brady had a weak arm with actual data. Brady's last Super Bowl was won with a strong arm....

What he was known for is irrelevant. Brady had a strong arm:...

Nope. That's still not modern day NFL. Try again. Brady also had plenty of arm. Peyton also had plenty of arm prior to neck surgery. Stop with...

Montana last won a Super Bowl 35 years ago. You are stuck in the past, as is your analysis. Welcome to modern day football. You need big...

Nice to see more Tuanoners see the light!! [MEDIA]

This is funny. So Tyler Huntley in only 5 games was hit 17x. Tua on the whole season was only hit 11x when throwing! There's no keeping this dude...

Yeah, unfortunately getting rid of Grier was the most important thing we could this offseason, and they didn't do it. It's kick the cap can down...

Looks like they'll address the backup situation better, but the problem really is they have too many holes to fill and not enough cap space to fix...

Refreshing to see fans not stubborning stick to their positions and see the light!

I would trade back. Team has too many holes to fill and not enough money.

Just to further emphasize the point of Tua and his lack of being hit but still constantly being injured. Also read this on Twitter, "Since 2022,...

Seems like a pretty general comment to me. Not very pointed.

How is that directed at Tyreek?

The concussion play wasn't even a bad decision in a vacuum. It's just a bad decision solely for him because he's so very fragile. Ignoring that...

Now that the season is final, the Dolphins had the WEAKEST schedule in the NFL this season. I don't see how they don't go backwards, especially...

LOL. Oh right. I forgot!

For the cap, he needs to be traded after June 1. Dolphins need cap space badly just to stay afloat.

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How do you think any team does this? You think top 5 QB picks start with the best receiving duo in the game?

Definitely not. Going to be stuck with him. However, I would trade off all the assets you can and try to develop a younger QB. Maybe trade/sign...

No thanks on Cousins. You need to develop someone young to replace Tua long term. Not get someone to replicate his mediocrity.

Best case scenario for this org. Good job.

Great news IMO if true. This is the way to fire someone and pay them to not burn down the house on the way out the door. I'm sure he's amassed...

Sounds like a badly injured player desperate to play being irrational and emotional.

The guy who was dumb enough to extend Tua CAN'T be the guy to choose his replacement. Please Ross. Do the right thing for once.

Herbert has been hit 60x and Tua has been hit 11x while passing this season. Some of you really don't get it.

Well you and Brian Flores got Tua with those wins instead of Joe Burrow. Sometimes you need to step back and look at the bigger picture.

I'd be surprised if he doesn't get an interview due to the Rooney rule. https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article297022364.html

I'm not missing the point. That's a different point. If you want to improve the line, fine. I'm down with that even though McDaniel wants a...

I agree pressure is there, but there would be additional pressure and more outrage from them missing the playoffs entirely. I prefer that...

Doesn't really matter. You clearly thought Watson was really good. Right? That's YOU saying "he is so good" See? All of us got Watson wrong....

You are missing the point being made. You can't keep Tua healthy. He gets injured on the routine. Unless, you want to wrap him in a bubble, his...

You may be right, but don't you think there would be more external pressure on Ross if they don't even make the playoffs with the cost and talent?...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/thursday-practice-report-what-s-going-on-with-tua/ar-AA1wRMSZ?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=c4c4860adc86477c9...

I don't want to tank just for higher draft position. I want to lose to put more pressure on Ross to fire Grier. That's really the single most...

I don't agree. There was no talk of any extension when the Dolphins were involved. It only came into the equation after Dolphins dropped out,...

I didn't say it was. I just said you'd be out of the deal sooner. The Dolphins never needed to give Watson that extension Cleveland did. That's...

Record noted. Well I disagree. I think it will have an impact on Ross decision making if they miss the playoffs with this talented roster. That's...

Yes, you really really would. Your basic statistical analysis is adorable, but laughable when compared to the extremely advanced proprietary stats...

He's only elite statistically for 3 years because you are so basic in your analysis. You'd get laughed at anywhere outside of a Dolphins forum.

I'm definitely surprised at how badly Rodgers has performed, and was wrong about that aspect. But far worse shape? No sir. We'd be out of that...

Nope. The solution was to walk away this offseason which they could have done and start the rebuild. Not to mention, Tua playing on the option...

Rodgers wasn't a free agent and never became one. So yes, what was the background?

As Tua is on track to miss his 2nd must-win game to clinch a playoff spot due to a hip injury. I can't believe you were able to type that without...

You'd have to give me the background. Kind of moot though. I would have drafted Herbert over Tua. We would have never been in this mess.

If you can't see the evidence by now, you never will.

Admit I would have passed on Cousins at that money and we can talk like adults.

LOL. Perfect. Still won't admit he was wrong about the Tua deal. According to your post, I guess you are pro-Grier. "If he fails to get a deal...

You failed logic a long time ago. Worst poster on this website who can't even admit the Tua contract was a disaster and you were wrong.

You are creating your own reality and own logic. I'm sorry I'm not playing by your rules.

Don't be mad you make stuff up, and you couldn't back it up. I wouldn't have given Cousins that deal. Would have looked at other options if you...

No. It's not, because as mentioned, I rooted for the team to win earlier in the year. The viewpoint isn't as narrow as you want it to be. Such a...

Yep, and I never stated there what you said, "You wanted to give Kirk Cousins $50+ million." I would never give him the deal he got.

Your point doesn't remain though. I didn't say I'm rooting against the team forever. I'm making a specific choice as those did in "Tank for Tua."

You'd be out of that deal by now and in a better position than the Tua anchor.

Then search and confirm it. I'm sure you missing all context as usual.

I can't play that hypothetical. I didn't even root for the team to lose during the whole season, and you want to say hypothetically I root against...

This isn't horseshoes. Close doesn't count. They just beat the Jets like a rented mule and also beat BOTH teams many have as #1 in the league in...

Again, we disagree, if you want to believe recent reports from Albert Breer there's rumblings about GM change. Making the playoffs doesn't help...

No. I wanted Tua to play on his option.

I find making the playoffs and getting blown out by Buffalo equally meaningless. Sorry you don't have higher aspirations, nor can see the...

Making the playoffs isn't winning the Super Bowl. Just because you deem the playoffs to be some crapshoot doesn't mean I do. You guys sound like...

First off, the Jets win doesn't even ensure we don't get knocked out. How do I feel? I feel saddened the fanbase struggles to look at the bigger...

Tua concussed himself on routine contact in the WORDS OF AN NFL PLAYER: “I was just trying to make a routine tackle, trying to get them off the...

What back pedal? It's literally the same thing. Rooting for losing for the sake of higher draft picks and organizational changes.

It's better for the franchise long term if they don't. Just because you can't see the forest for the trees doesn't make you any better of a fan....

What do you think the movement of "Tank for Tua" was? You are joking, right? Fans root for their teams to lose for draft position EVERY year.

See post above yours.

LOL. I love the fan moral superiority complex you guys exhibit. The fanbase adopted a "Tank for Tua" mindset a few years ago. Your savior. I...

What's pathetic Tuanon4life?

I'm fine with a loss or Chiefs win. We need to rip the bandaid off. The most important thing to this franchise is moving on from Grier, and...

The Dolphins can't play Tua with the early 1990s Cowboys offensive line protecting him. Line doesn't matter when you are this fragile. You can't...

https://www.nfl.com/news/2024-nfl-season-week-17-what-we-learned-from-sunday-s-games#miavscle

Huntley did a great job throwing the ball down the field and also added another dimension to the position with his running. It was enjoyable to...

If you are looking for organizational change, and a chance at being true contenders, unfortunately, all this win does is solidify nothing...

This is a joke. It's pretty common in actual fandom. Fans root against their teams all the time for better draft selections.

Yep. Now on top of his concussion issues, you have a major hip injury that is keeping him out of a must-win game (again), the same hip he had...

LFGGGGG Buffalo!!!

Teams that draft that high usually don't go to Super Bowls that quickly. However, Burrow and Chase are pretty close to that. Also, the perfect...

Yes, that's correct. If you finished first or tank in the league, makes no difference (outside of order), you won't get a competitive balance pick...

Lol @ Daz "drafted in the 1st round." Nice try. He was a competitive balance pick drafted 37th. That's NOT high. Also, 3rd round pick, is also...

Yep. I mentioned that in my prior post. Dodgers probably win if not for the cheating. They should have been stripped of their title if baseball...

Again, the Verlander trade wasn't about high draft picks. High draft picks weren't used in that trade. It was mostly a salary dump indicated by...

You mean prospects? Verlander could have been had by any team. The deal from Detroit was mostly about a salary dump. Detroit included money in...

Astros? What are you talking about? The draft is largely irrelevant in baseball. Agree to disagree. There's no greater benefit than removing...

There's no guarantees. Do I need to explain why drafting higher puts you in a better positon? Or list the many teams in history that it did work...

Massive exaggeration. It's really not that improbable, and if they fall well out of contention that pressure to make FO changes will only increase...

It's not ignoring history. Of course Grier should have been fired a while ago. That doesn't mean added pressure on Ross with more losing doesn't...

The pressure on Ross to fire Grier doesn't increase with limping into the playoffs. It does with finishing at the bottom of the league.

No. I think actual change to the front office will occur with losing, not winning.

Lots of bad logic here. You think finishing strong is going to help us with Grier?

I'm sorry this makes you happy. You can't see the forest for the trees.

It's worst case scenario and the place I feared the most. Not good enough to make playoffs/be good enough to win in playoffs. Not bad enough to...

Rams have a much better run defense than pass defense. I expect the Dolphins gameplan will be to pass more.

And Mahomes offense isn't elite this season, so yes, that's problematic. Nor was the Chiefs offense elite last season either when they were...

The defense is completely gutted. Expectations and talent are relevant. The offense is healthy and most of the money and assets are on that side...

You keep saying that, but sometimes you get into shootouts with other strong offensive clubs. They lost two games in a row with 27 points. It...

Because they lost and scored only 13 points in 3 quarters?

The Chiefs offense is ranked 11th at the moment. Mahomes is also the GOAT and can do anything on the field. Lions run a rushing offense. They...

It's really not deceiving. This is actually a perfect example of how Tua's arm strength hurts the team. Tua threw a lofty floating ball that died...

Not debatable. The ball drops soon after this image. He had an ocean of a window without the safety: [MEDIA]

Funny enough that should have been a TD to Hill but Tua underthrew him. Instead they only got the field goal on that drive, 3 instead of 7, and...

You aren't likely going to get 5.4 yards per rushing attempt. That's the anomaly. Bad rushing defense/line. You also lost two games in a row...

The point was in the post. You just ignored it. The elite deep attacking offense is gone. Again, stop comparing Allen to Tua. Allen can do...

You keep ignoring though the point teams have adjusted to McDaniel's defense since he's got here. Teams aren't playing Dolphins the same. The...

I actually was curious to see where Tua's 4.9 yards per air yards would rank on the season. Funny enough, Tua's 5.8 attempted air yards seasonal...

Tua's intended air yards per attempt against Buffalo was a paltry 4.9 yards. Lowest on the season for him, and below his seasonal average of 5.8...

Very delusional. One game doesn't change a very large sample of being bad against playoff teams. They let him have the underneath, both running...

It's really not that simple. You don't make decisions based on one game. They got blown out against Buffalo September 12th. Is it rebuild time?...

No. He cannot. Buffalo has many options offensively. Allen can do it all. Dolphins right now with Tua's concussion and physical limitations are...

Dumb and dumber. This is a rather ridiculous take. Broadcasts provide stats all the time. What's your research? You didn't even provide stats....

Yes, Tua is very much the problem, and his inability to stay healthy allowing trash to come in (Skylar, Huntley, ect...) is also a big problem and...

I don't know. I thought I saw something on the broadcast today about them being 2nd half team. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, it's moot, you aren't...

Let's stop comparing Allen to Tua. It's laughable at this point. Allen can do anything on the field. You can play various "what ifs?" Who cares?...

They are 15th in rush yards per game and 13th in pass yards per game. You are seeing correlation that isn't there. The Dolphins played underneath...

No. That's how many teams have played the Dolphins. This isn't exclusive to Buffalo. The difference was the Dolphins decided to play within those...

1. Buffalo is a 2nd half team. Look at their 1st half vs 2nd half offensive numbers. 2. You aren't going to limit the Bills to 12 at home with...

I disagree with the ergo. I don't think any side is to "blame." I don't think it's a "fault" thing. The offense DID have a safe strategy. They...

Oh OK. Good! Glad you do understand the nuance between saying played "well enough" and played "well." The defense played well enough to stay...

You should read your own posts more.

Saying the defense played "well enough" doesn't mean played "well." You should listen to your own advice and stop playing stupid.

Where am I blaming the offense for losing in my post though?

Can you read or are you just blindly quoting posts at random?

They had a very nice safe strategy on offense. Defense played well enough. A lot went right and they still lost. Keep tanking and draft high.

The question from the journalist wasn't snarky, and this is very basic to expect this type of question considering how important of a play it was....

I don't think many took it as an attack on the media. The fans are the ones sitting back on a couch eating chips. Not the media who are usually at...

Smart move Tua. Attack the fans. Guy is dumb as bricks.

Ned Flanders doesn't have as much as your optimism.

How are you going to get an outside GM to do that? Especially if they have a job with another team already? Just fire Grier now. Implement...

What? No. It hit Tua directly in the hands. He didn't even jump. Tua Tagovailoa on the mishandled snap that ended in a safety: "I got to catch...

Buffalo next week. Tank WITH Tua. Lose as many games as possible. Draft as highly as you can. Cards had one of the worst pass defenses in the...

Well you are now moving the goalposts here. You originally said, "why would you make THAT call prior to him seeing any specialists?" So now that...

Sigh. I wish you used some common sense. You have no idea the tests that were done on Tua leading up to the decision to place him on the IR. As...

Bro. We aren't millionaire NFL players with billionaire owners. There's literally MULTIPLE neurologists on the sidelines: "Three unaffiliated...

Per NFL rules, there's a independent neurological consultant assigned to the team and on the sidelines of each game.

Just want to address this part. How do you know this exactly? How do you know he didn't see doctors and specialist prior to the decision? Or get a...

https://www.espn.com/espnmag/story?id=3644940 Video: [MEDIA]

That would be for the doctors to determine. The doctors that Tua saw, not Twitter doctors, made the decision to put Tua on the IR for a reason....

Being symptom free and being healed are two very different things. Let's not conflate them.

That is true, but if you think you are going to get the full accounting and a full picture of what has been said and by whom, you are fooling...

Right. Here's my post describing Tua average to above average: "I don't think the difference matters much. The system and talent around him is...

Skylar isn't an average or below average QB. Try again.

Thanks. Haven't seen that. My lord that route is confusing. All I can think of is they were trying to do something shorter and then lateral?...

Yep. That's why you wanted to give Tua a big deal. You've been arguing that Tua is a starting caliber QB!

LOL. Skylar couldn't even throw a Hail Mary without any pass rush on two separate occasions nevermind get a pass off in 1.5 seconds. This guy...

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article291683330.html#storylink=cpy

Yep. Makes sense: As I said before, that report from Rap was a big ole' NOTHINGBURGER.

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This is fun: "There's no justification for not signing Tua to an extension at market prices given that there's no better option out there and that...

Such a liar man. Your previous position had nothing to do with guaranteed money. You said you wanted Grier fired if he didn't get the deal done...

At least you support Grier now that he's got your boy locked up!! Caught you dude. It's OK. Maybe stop with the searching and playing gotchas...

Nope. We were discussing the preference of Tua playing on his option. Also, you said "OR:" "If he can get a contract that on paper is larger...

You said you wanted the flexibility of playing on his option, and in that post you said if Grier doesn't sign Tua to a long term contract you want...

Hummmmmmm..... "Grier likes to play hardball, and it often leads to just a larger contract. If he fails to get a deal done with Tua I'm joining...

It's funny that @hitman8 already addressed this but @cbrad oddly wasn't able to find this one in his search (despite @cbrad being the one he was...

I did see his quote but I don't interpret it the same way as you do. Knowing his history and what he's said outside of the post. But I'll let him...

The ability to do what? Hit guys in stride? As I pointed out, Matt Ryan lead the category in that stat, it's not proof of arm strength. Again,...

I think you are misunderstanding his position. I maybe can throw a ball 30 yards, but it doesn't mean I can throw it at the same trajectory as...

And if you see the posts above in that same thread (https://thephins.com/threads/if-tua-retires.99078/page-5#post-3653755), you get a better...

Here's me last year @cbrad "What could possibly be so confusing for you? You said: "the anti-Tua crowd has harped on arm strength so much as a...

Yep. This is correct. Any QB with weak arm strength can throw the ball 50-60 yards in the air.

Not one I ever made. Deep ball performance has very little to do with arm strength.

I think this could be interesting. I think Skylar will still get a game or two though.

Well it's relevant though in addressing WHY I believe Tua's performance against these teams is so poor. The scheme is attempting to mask Tua's...

Also, a caveat to my previous post is I would feel better about his ability to perform in the playoffs but I do not feel comfortable about his...

Of course it's not "free." But it's a bullet, nay, an entire clip the Dolphins would have in the negotiation they didn't have.

Bro. There's already a very large sample of Tua being complete booty against these good teams. I agree completely that IF Tua comes back, and...

But you aren't understanding here. The Dolphins are not getting the flexibility not for "free." They are getting the flexibility because Tua is...

The reason is because reviewing the numbers and seeing the performance in the playoffs, his numbers against playoff teams is exceptional. Not just...

You just can't do it, can you? Just cannot admit you were wrong. That this contract is TERRIBLE, a potential franchise sinker, and the Dolphins...

OK? But this is just a deflection and non-sequitur. The difference being Purdy was always elite in the league, and Tua needed the cast and system...

This is straight delusional. I didn't ignore your argument. It just doesn't make sense. It's not "free" whatever that means. However, the most...

I still agree with what I said there. Purdy is definitely propped up by the great system around him. However, I like him a lot more than Tua...

This is a good example of being completely incapable of admitting you are wrong. The contract was signed after him coming off a career season and...

Do you have the link to the post?

I explained that in the post. Please re-read it: "Additionally, even if you wanted to commit to him long term at the end of the season, ANY long...

When did I say that about Purdy? I like Purdy a lot more than Tua. Tua was nothing but very below average before they added Tyreek and created a...

Let's get something out of the way, the organization and these fans were VERY wrong for giving Tua that contract no matter what happens the rest...

He didn't stop early. It was a hook, Chosen slipped, but Tua still sailed it. Watch the All-22.

Of course you didn't. This was always going to be the natural shift in blame. McDaniel increased Tua's passer rating by 17 points in his 1st...

I think you are really reaching here. The report is a source says Tua wants to come back. That fully may be Tua's intention at this moment, and if...

I didn't say it came from an unreliable source. The last example I gave was from a teammate. That's plenty reliable, I just find it meaningless,...

How does what I said put Rap's credibility on the line? I didn't say Rap is making it up. You certainly may be right about Tua coming back. I...

It could have been a teammate who was consoling him after the game, and Tua saying to him I want to be back and I'm coming back. And then Rap goes...

But again, he didn't make ANY statements at this juncture. You have no idea the context of what he said or who he said it to or what was really...

Well first off, and most importantly. Tua didn't say anything! This is 3rd hand information from "sources." There's just no way to make any...

Him saying he wants to play is meaningless. That's the point. Like I said, if you asked him when they were picking him up from the field, he...

I don't think it's all that important. There's absolutely no way Tua can properly process this so quickly. When he was walking back to the...

How can he have actual plans before he undergoes the evaluations, tests, and gets medical advice? This is a looooong process. Even if he has...

They might just roll with Skylar....which will be...interesting. Pretty soft part of the schedule the new few games.

Jake Browning was another name I saw that's intriguing. Don't know if the Bengals would want to give him up though with Burrow's health so iffy.

"I told him he's the starting quarterback of his family, to go to the locker room, take a deep breath and I'll see you soon." It's certainly an...

Trey Lance was also drafted when McDaniel was in SF. I'm sure he's familiar.

Lance is on the Cowboys, isn't he? They got him for a 4th rounder. Cooper Rush is still the Cowboys #2, and they just gave Prescott a big deal....

I would trade for maybe like a Trey Lance, and see if you can hone his raw skillset. You probably still suck and are tanking as you work through...

They jumped off the plane without a backup parachute. Be bad or be good, but mediocrity is worse. Don't ever draft high to get yourself out of it.

Well it's not necessarily perfect, but a playoff team is usually a good one, and a non-playoff team is a bad one. You can probably change the...

"the most informative statistic will always be when you measure yourself against those of similar strength, not those who are much stronger or...

But it's not just in division as I previously noted. It's more about playoff teams. In terms of the division, you don't care as much if the Pats...

ChatGPT to the rescue: "Key Steps in the Medical Clearance Process: Team Physician's Evaluation: The initial medical clearance typically...

I agree, but learning about the money makes me think differently. The team might look for a doctor that says he can play again to force Tua to...

You could slow-mo every hit in the game, and see a head moving. The difference is this one resulted in a concussion because of the player. I'm...

Armstead injured already. Another feather in Grier's cap.

It would have eventually happened, especially in a season where the plan was to run more. This was as routine a tackle as it gets.

Personally, I wouldn't do anything to be middling without upside. Worst position to be in, and always my worst fear with Tua. Good enough to be...

How you doing bud? You OK this morning?

It's semantics and opinion at this point but I'll continue... "but if you take that route then no games are more important than others." No,...

This lays it all out. [MEDIA] I always have a problem with embedding pictures in this forum.

We disagree here. The games in the beginning of the season count as much as the ones at the end of the season, you just have a clearer picture at...

I think I read if he's medically forced to retire, he keeps the money. If he is medically cleared, and doesn't want to play, he doesn't keep the...

It's not too small though. His performance against playoff teams is sizeable. It's close to HALF of his career: [MEDIA] ...that was prior to the...

Objectively, he didn't play well when it mattered most. The actually playoff game, agreed, small sample. Meaningless. However, combined with his...

That is on topic. You are just trying to veer it to something specific. Playing at a high level, no. I wouldn't say that. His stats were very...

Yeah. True. All those playoff wins were pretty humbling!

LOL. "Let it play out." It's played out. You are the only person on the planet that wants to "let it play out" further. On the performance side,...

Again, as I've explained and others have explained, there was no point in arguing on this forum publically any further. Everyone had their...

Again, I was on the forum discussing, just not with you. Sorry if this hurts your feelings.

Bingo! Classic textbook narcissism. He needs to make this about us, otherwise he needs to look within.

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You mean quoting the actual phrase and words of a poster instead of making up meaning to fit your narrative. Yes. I am guilty of that. You keep...

resnor said, "happy that the argument maybe is finally over" NOT "happy Tua failed." Poor reading comprehension and probably intentionally.

LOL, "if," love you bro!

I was posting and interacting on this board but just not with some of you. No one was changing each other's minds. There was no point in arguing....

Unfortunately, some posters still don't have the class to admit they were wrong. It is what it is.

I was always against Tua running for this reason. More chances at contact is a terrible idea for him. However, this type of thing was inevitable....

McDaniel schemed short passes for Tua because Buffalo, like the Jaguars took away the timing routes to the middle of the field, and all they could...

No doctor should ever sign off on Tua playing again.

Good on you sir.

Everyone definitely didn't know this. We might have knew this. However, it was very much argued he's healed and was not at risk for concussion...

Amazing. McDaniel believes the cap impacted their decision making: “It all comes back to the fact that there’s a finite salary cap,” McDaniel...

Another one bites the dust: [MEDIA]

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They absolutely didn't have the space for them. They didn't even have the space to franchise tag either.

I used "you" above in the post above yours. Hopefully your head doesn't explode! :lol::lol::lol:

But that's just the reality of the positions when you are signing top players in FA. Look around the league. Wilikins and Hunt contracts aren't...

Right, and we weren't going to pay Wilkins or Hunt the money because of the cap, which was the point many of us were making. Passing on AVG at...

Who said I wasn't happy? I don't think it's a good signing. He's not complete enough of a center to be signed on day 1 on a 3 year deal. Have...

I've been pretty consistent. Pass blocking in this scheme doesn't matter much. If it did, McDaniel would have gotten a better pass blocking...

Well when that 280lb man is trying to block a 350lb man without a running start. That's when it becomes a problem. At least Tua will be able to...

Surprised Chris Grier didn't check in with danmarino on thephins.com. Could have kept all our guys.

Right, I mean there's a reason why Wilkins is making 4x as much. Not comparable, and I really like Sieler.

It's not like the fans get to choose what the organization does. However, the fans have watched their center long enough to probably recognize if...

I'm not sure you can really coach up his size. Can't change physics. He's like the smallest center in the league. I would have just waited...

Dreaming? Not at all. I don't want any excuses. Seems like a crazy reach on day 1, and Titan fans are laughing at us about it. I've said it...

And then the same folks will use it as an excuse when Tua is ineffective or gets injured.

All I can say about this signing is I guess the Dolphins agree with me that pass blocking with Tua is rather irrelevant.

You lost the highest rated player from PFF on defense in AVG in a position of MASSIVE need. You lost the core and the leader on defense in...

Holland and Sieler are pretty far from being core guys. Chubb and Phillips are coming back from major injuries. I don't think I'm pretending the...

Who is the core on defense? Ramsey? Who else you got? You lost AVG and Wilkins who were two core guys on defense. AVG was especially needed with...

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You lost your roster core on defense to FA and/or injury. They going to be dumb enough to extend Tua anyway to try to sell tickets to the...

Well if you don't think they are going to win next season, then you need to do more than this BS. Forget extending Tua, and consider trading him....

This logic makes zero sense? You need to keep your good players AND then add on. It's not addition by subtraction. You lost 4 very valuable...

If the roster goes backwards talent wise, and you got blown out by playoff teams, and weren't remotely competitive in your only playoff game in...

Shouldn't you be busy in some thread telling us the cap doesn't matter? LMAO

Ouchies. Another one.

Some are a lot worse than others. Also means you aren't drafting all that well. Can't keep hiding that. Can't keep trading picks away and going...

Tua's pressure and hit rates were some of the lowest in the league. His hit rate was the lowest. I've been through this argument too many times....

His guaranteed is 21.19m. It would have left an unhappy player but one then you could perhaps trade or get better compensation than the 3rd...

I think Gink going to cost a lot more than people think. He might be gone too.

They didn't need to, could have just tagged him, but again, they couldn't because of the cap.

#salarycapisntreal

PFF had the line ranked 20th. Their pass block win rate was 31st but that goes by 2.5 seconds, and the throws are on average throw well before...

You should read your own posts more. It's not your fault.

It doesn't really impact the passing offense. The offense operates in getting the ball out as quick to playmakers. Until that changes, how the...

The line doesn't matter much with the scheme they run. If they want the line to matter, they'd have to have Tua hold the ball and drop back more,...

Nope. Grier is pot committed to Tua, or otherwise he has to admit Flores was right all along.

If they go backwards next season, this relationship is going to get real ugly. Hill off the field is a complete garbage person.

Yep, "Tua does gain weight easy" Then they went into the Polynesian thing which makes sense. Tua just got to work extra hard if he wants to keep...

Some weird stuff in here. Hill says Tua gains weight easily which is no surprise, and communication issues: "Hill indicated that the...

The 2023 Dolphins were 1-5 against playoff teams. Tua got a .300 record against playoff teams in his career. They weren't remotely competitive...

Actually, I'm worried about bringing an even worse team back.

This sums it up: [MEDIA]

They tried restructuring Bak but couldn't come to an agreement. Whole lotta holes to fill!

But there might be penalties to selling the CDs and stocks. It can be at your request but not without complications and loss.

Some people get rolled up, and injure something. Some people get rolled up, and walk it off. Being more limber is a thing. Look at how many games...

1. They literally don't have the space to currently do it. 2. They can make the space, but it would place them in an awkward position with rest of...

Nope, and I happen to think staying healthy is a skill, and he's been very good at that. Question is more performance related at his age. He...

Sounds like guard market going to get paid Zeitler would be a good get, but he's no spring chicken.

But you might not be able to do either. Trade or get a deal done. Bak is the only one making real money outside of Tua, and then what do you do at...

Who is playing both sides? What are you talking about? Correct. He likely won't be tagged because of the cap situation. That's what everyone is...

Well OTC says different. OTC had his franchise tag number around there.

They'll compete, but I think talent wise on a whole roster level they'll go backwards from 2023.

Over the cap has it at $31,638,623 currently. Add in Wilkins 22m or so franchise tag? You are close to 55m. Once again, it's not that they can't,...

According to that reddit post, assuming you MAX out the savings, those 4 would save you about 55m, which basically gets you to even after you tag...

Well they might not want to restructure all the guys that can be restructured. Like what if they don't want to give Tua a massive deal? Or what if...

Yep. They can't cut 55m, tag Wilkins, risk he doesn't take an extension, and then figure out contracts like AVG, Hunt, and Williams. Not to...

The larger key is needing to cut so much in so short of a period. If they wanted to tag Wilkins, they'd need to be cap compliant including his...

Your understanding is so basic. They need to cut 55m in 10 days. It's not necessarily about where they end up.

They can't franchise tag because of their cap situation. Be really difficult to get under for his tag number by March 13.

Well it would be good if people who have voiced concerns about the salary cap weren't treated like morons because they did. All these problems...

LOL @ negative sources. It's the biggest insider in the sport and literally everyone is saying it. You just did the equivalent of posting a week...

Something something cap isn't real. Can manipulate everything. Yadda yadda. [MEDIA]

Tyreek is such a moron off the field. Constantly putting himself in bad situations that blow up in his face. Horrible human being. Great football...

Looking like another cap casualty: [MEDIA] Not sure how this line improves next season.

Purdy should be where Stafford is if not higher. Would put Tua in that 10-15 range.

I'm fine with either. I just don't want them to lose Wilkins and not get anything because they can't tag him due to cap issues. Tag or extend.

The cap space issues I think will make it harder to tag Wilkins as they'll need to pay everything this season. They can't manipulate it.

That's a different argument than the one we were discussing. The line gave Tua enough time as he wasn't pressured/hit at all this season and could...

Hope they tag Wilkins: https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news/the-miami-dolphins-face-a-tough-decision-with-defensive-tackle-christian-wilkins

Is Danny Crossman still the special teams coach?

Anger & personal insults again. It's not your fault. You really still aren't getting it. Read posts above or don't. Just know the pleasure has...

Not at all. I'm saying he would have been pressured more, or sometimes the line would have held, but at his current pressure rates he could have...

Next Gen Stats had Tua #1 at 2:36 seconds and Mac Jones 2nd at 2.46 seconds. And no one is disputing he got rid of the ball quickly. The dispute...

Nope. You are failing to understand how this works. If you hold onto the ball longer, you get pressured more (eg Tannehill), but Tua wasn't...

This is the stat people are quoting like it's gospel: [MEDIA]

You can repeat yourself all you'd like. Think logically here. No one designs an offense with the idea the offensive line is going to be terrible....

Well that's kind of a different argument, but I would agree with you. The design and scheme makes the offensive line's pass blocking rather...

That stat is flawed though (the inventor admitted this) and doesn't actually determine if the "win" resulted in a pressure. The stat of pressures...

The stats (PFR) showed Tua was pressured one of the least in the league. He could have afforded to hold ball longer, but that's not what McDaniel...

I said it in the post you quoted. Teams gamble on tools and upside. Teams want high upside even if that likelihood of them reaching it is low....

Fields would have to make an Allen level transformation throwing which is unlikely but teams gamble on upside for a reason. I think he'll got for...

Who said that wasn't a concern with Fields? Who said it was no longer a thing? You folks always trying to find gotchas for no fcking reason.

It's definitely still a thing, but last year was an outlier in a professional and college career of injuries. Getting rid of the ball quickly...

I don't think they will because they don't have the money or trade capital, but he'd certainly be intriguing if McDaniel could make improvements...

Just draft a QB, and keep doing it until you hit. It's not like you are any good at drafting anyway.

I thought one interesting point in that video was how Tua no longer takes a deep drop. Take less of a drop will always result in more pressure....

Some of the beat writers have said Wilkins is SUPER cheap. I don't see him taking a discount, but we'll see. If they can't workout an extension...

I don't think anyone is saying that though. I think it's just the reality of the cap and how you don't have unlimited funds. You can manipulate...

But it's a compounding effect. You have to pay up eventually. It's not like you get away with paying 2.5m forever.

You are using some "objective data" to show Tua is top 5. I'm using the same "objective data" to illustrate things are more complex. You do you.

No, I'm using your words to show a logical flaw. I'm illustrating why it's ridiculous to say "Tua is objectively a top 5 QB." Using your logic if...

Hate? Jesus man. Stop being so emotional. Who is twisting your words? You are saying he's "objectively" a top 5 passer. Wha exactly are you basing...

By that metric Tua is a better QB than Mahomes. Maybe it's a bit more complex than passer rating?

You tag and trade. You can also just tag, and deal with it. Wilkins might not be happy, but the deck is rigged, and players are screwed if they...

If they don't at least tag and trade him, it's DEFINITELY about the salary cap.

Yep. Can't draft this bad for this long.

Grier definitely doing it. He needs the extension to make space because of all the bad money he has on the books. Just going to be hilarious when...

Hootie looks in better shape

I didn't actually say that. Certainly an outlier in his career. First time since high school, want to make a bet he doesn't repeat?

It really won't add anything. In 2020 (year of that clip), Tua averaged 3.0 yards per attempt. To put that in perspective, Tom Brady in 2021 at 44...

No, but they share the same problem, and one of them is responsible for it. The choice is to address it or be ignorant. The latter just delays...

Not really. I want Grier to blowup and I want McDaniel to stay. The roster isn't McDaniel's problem. The talent on it is, and that's the GM's...

But that's not good enough! A winning season isn't good enough! It's like eating a sandwich made of dog poop for many years, and now eating a...

That's nonsense though. People aren't blaming the head coach that's been here for 2 years!! People are blaming Grier who has been here for 24...

Bro. Those games weren't close though. We were blown out by the playoff level teams, Chiefs, Bills, and Ravens. In a season where QBs had a down...

Was reading X might have an injury clause similar to Byron Jones. Might be stuck with that contract. And yeah, agreed. You are just pushing the...

Ross is really the only one that can save us from a Tua extension. It makes too much sense for Grier.

This was a really good read on the cap: [MEDIA]

Bottom left Tua: https://x.com/throwthedamball/status/1754701861616013590?s=20

Yeah, I heard that but I think the difference is the Dolphins would be OK if Wilkins played on the franchise tag, and they really didn't want...

I'm pretty sure Wilkins is a goner. From what I've read, he's not taking a discount, and we don't have the cap space to compete. They should tag...

This isn't going to be an easy gig. 3rd DC in 3 years. Missing a lot of talent. Best of luck, but can't make chicken salad out of chicken shi*.

It's funny about "Tua hate" allegation and not being a real fan. Go on another team's message board, and read how much excitement the thought of...

Not a problem at all, it's already been said, but you keep ignoring it. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Brock Purdy all played better against playoff...

I would disagree. I think similar QBs could do the same. A lot of it is the system. It's not really anticipation when the throw, time of the...

Tua's performance was a nothing burger, but I think when people say Tua has elite accuracy, this just further illustrates that's really overblown....

The problem is really using stats and it's prediction as gospel, when there's often too many variables. Just inaccurate models being paraded as...

I don't think any experienced DC is going to take this job. Too much of an uphill climb with the talent that will be missing. My guess is they...

Trade up. Draft QB.

How would Ron Jaworski know anything? How would he know if some players didn't want to put in the work? What inside sources confirmed this? This...

3rd DC in 3 years, and many players missing. I don't see how the defense doesn't take a step backwards next season.

His mental processing is definitely a part of it. They both custom built very simple systems for him. Flores RPO based and McDaniel with throwing...

I don't think he'd survive the season to a new contract if he stood in there like the rest of the league does, even if he moved up to average QB...

I'm less worried about the clutch stats than the QB pressure. Because the clutch stuff can just be noise in small sample. The larger concern is...

Lamar played 8 playoff teams this regular season, and his numbers against playoff teams were BETTER against them than non-playoff teams. Josh...

Objectively, they haven't won a playoff game in 23 years. There's no judging individual seasons in a vacuum here. Incremental improvements are IMO...

Bingo. Folks don't seem to get this isn't about a 1-2 game playoff sample. Tua was terrible against playoff teams this WHOLE season, and terrible...

It's not your fault.

I'll say as well, Lamar showed all season that he was capable of beating playoff caliber teams. He had monster numbers against them, so despite...

Yes, but Grier would have to blow himself up in that process and he's not going to do that. So he'll keep selling this team and putting blame...

A "high level club employee" can be coordinator. It's not your fault.

High level employees can be coordinators.

Yeah, it's in the collective bargaining agreement, “clubs are not permitted to exchange draft choices or cash for the release of individuals who...

I'm not disagreeing with you? I agree he's great. I'm also saying he's not under contract and are risk at losing him which will hurt. The...

Williams great. Another guy they need to pay but aren't going to have the money for. Can't pay them all.

Part of the reason why Grier grabs these types of players though is he has to. When you are up against the cap, and you can't draft good cost...

Should have had the Eagles pay something to get him. He was under contract.

"if not Tua, then WHO?" There's no easy answers. There's no franchise QBs in FA. If you don't think Tua is the guy, then why waste another...

You are so boring. Get some new material.

For real. It's crazy how quickly people turn. Dolphin fans were ecstatic he was named DC like the next coming of Shula, now all of a sudden he...

Lol. No. It's really not THAT different.

The defense still held their own with many stars missing. Big loss. Jumped a sinking ship.

The creator of those ESPN stats admitted that one of their stats (Pass rush win rate) was flawed. Not really buying the pass blocking was that...

Just a lottery ticket bandaid that can't solve Grier's very real problems drafting. Can't build a team this way.

My stats for Tua AND Maholmes are by PFR, and very much not lies. You need to be better at conversing with other people without calling them...

Tua was pressured 6x in the KC game for a rate of 14%. Maholmes was pressured 7x in the same game for a rate of 16.3%, and 24.0% against Buffalo....

I'd just draft a QB this season. Someone toolsy that you could start to develop.

Yeah, good read. Folks need to stop pretending like this is a one or two game thing that's pressure/pyschologically related. Unfortunately, it's...

Says the person incapable of disputing those facts and then chooses to hurl personal insults.

I don't know where you are getting that stat from but this is from Ryan Smith: "#Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa ends the season with a 93.6 overall...

The guy who ran those stats said Purdy, Jackson, and Allen all have played better against playoff teams than non-playoff teams. Purdy was VERY...

For real. It's not even he struggles when the stakes are high. This isn't a Tua crumbles at high pressure. Tua crumbles against good competition....

You didn't really answer the question.

Wonderful, and the Dolphins STILL can't beat that team and QB. If you think so lowly of the Bills and their QB, what does that say about the...

You move the goalposts enough now? Jesus man. I know you want this to be about a game or two, but the facts are this. Allen and Lamar Jackson...

You know 64 is better than 63.9? It's still better than Tua! LMAO!

Not to mention, if you think 86.1 is bad, what do you think about Tua's 63.9?

Lol. Lucky for Tua. Can you imagine him trying to tackle Allen?