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For me it all comes down to how much you like Bortles as to me he has the higher ceiling of the two QBs who could go 1, the size and arm strength...

Incognito is going to have to go, not for the supposed 'bullying' but because of the language he used doing it. You can't say what he said to...

Positive surprises have to be Patterson and Clay: Patterson has really stepped up his game when he's remained healthy and he's made some real...

In terms of linemen we could maybe go after Jeremy Parnell from the Cowboys, particularly if we were willing to give up a player? He's 27 and i...

Its difficult to appreciate how few pass plays we run from under center until you see them all in a row like that, i know we like to run the...

Stars: 1. Jared Odrick: We need to pressure Brees without Wake and the interior of the Saints line has some injuries. 2. Brian Hartline: We're...

9-7 seems about right, decent team with a difficult schedule; i might have said 10-6 before Keller went down. The other issue is the depth really,...

Not sure i get all the annoyance at this move, i think as fans sometimes we concentrate on the bottom of the roster at this time of the year too...

Massive thanks for gathering all the information together Paul, bloody Jacksonville building a whole new team.

Wasn't there some talk about Velasco earlier in this thread, could be worth a look? Can't believe Dwyer isn't going to get claimed by somebody;...

Crezdon Butler could hardly be worse than R.J Stanford if we want to keep 6 corners, he was someone the Bills had high hopes could become a...

Of the 'bubble' receivers, and i don't count Matthews among them i like Tyms the most, he's got a lot to work with physically and seems to be...

Someone tackle someone! That is one aspect of our defense that really needs to get better from the starters down to the thirds. Also i think...

Given most of our backup play has been extremely poor so far this preseason i really don't see any shock cuts; that said there are probably a few...

I'd like to see Sims and Egnew given more of a go, Clay is a good player and can do some nice things especially from the FB position but i just...

Our defense is going to be good, if it wasn't for a couple of pr issues people wouldn't be as negative

Any free agent kick returners out there, we may have an opening pretty soon

Am i the only one who think's we're playing ok? One special teams mistake and one stalled drive does not make us a bad team

The problem for me is not with Swearinger it's that too many players in the NFL either don't know how to or don't want to tackle properly. You saw...

Kolb and Ponder are horrible, wonder how many games we'll see where the back-up qb's on both sides should be the ones starting? As for Rhodes i...

I keep hearing things about Felix Jones's roster spot being in jeopardy, i know he's had injury and ball security issues in the past but he's an...

I think he's somewhat less likely to be released though. In all seriousness finding guys who can contribute for you who've been cut by other...

My bad, i don't know why i typed that, he certainly wasn't a rookie must of gotten confused with a different train of thought. I don't disagree...

There's an article on NFL.com about some veteran players that could get cut, not sure i agree with the author that the players necessarily will be...

Are people that concerned over the RG position? I just don't see it personally, sure the performances there haven't been great so far but we've...

Up Arrows 1) Daniel Thomas (mostly due to the difference in the quality of the run blocking from the first and second team OLs) 2) Will Davis...

The only thing that really concerns me and it's hardly new is the LT situation, i know there's been a lot of talk but no-one's doing a lot to...

I voted yes in both polls but i'm a little happier after tonight. The last one i voted yes simply because i thought we had a decent chance of...

Interesting to see so many good receivers under the league average even if a few did have poor QB situations (not that it stopped Shorts). Just...

So they took a game which lacks competition and then did away with the conference vs conference concept which was the only think making it even...

Hopefully Matthews can get back and Bumphis can make some plays in pre-season, i don't see any of the guys we've brought in making any impact,...

You can't read too much into the rankings this early, especially for the rookies who will always have to work their way up past guys who...

I think there were a few draft receivers available late 3rd and after who i'd expect to make more of an impact than any of our 4/5/6's and maybe...

Definitely wouldn't mind us taking a look at Leach especially with his past connection to Sherman, people can overlook the fullbacks role but Mack...

Interesting to here about Marshall being written in pen as the 2nd cb, you've got to think we'll return Patterson to the nickel corner role where...

I noticed the 18 thing but i can't imagine that was by design, doesn't leave you very open or flexible for trades and it could well lead you to...

Pretty cool to see a teams whole draft board laid out like that especially as its soon enough after the draft that i can remember what i thought...

I think both should and will get in eventually, whether or not they'll be first ballot is another matter. I think one of the problems Zach has...

It doesn't especially surprise me that our running backs are rated that low, a lot of people here are acting like it's a sure thing that Miller...

I'm not saying he won't improve their OL at RT just that that's not where they drafted him to eventually play, i'm not saying they're looking for...

Funny most people's attitude to our LT position; everyone hated the idea of trading up for Lane Johnson but if he goes on to be a pro bowl LT then...

Reid Fragel, Da'Rick Rodgers, Jordan Poyer and a kicker would make me happy

The Jets realize that someone has to catch the football occasionally right?

49ers can really draft, also an easy team to point to when people say the O-line isn't important 3 first round linemen in that group.

Patton finally gone, value coming off the board in this round.

Franklin gone, less and less RBs left; i'm still hoping for Bradshaw on a cheap contract.

Webb gone; thought he would have made more sense than Davis, Poyer still there if we want to make a move for another CB though.

I like this pick, good inline blocker who can actually catch.

Jelani Jenkins; not that you'd know it watching NFLN

Rather have Patton than Swope, might just be me.

There have been some interesting selections this draft! Barkley better start running if he hopes to keep up with that offence.

Incognito is overrated to me, he's a decent pass blocking guard but he's nothing spectacular. This added to his relatively high cap number makes...

Looking forward to it, would love one of Okafor or Patton first up, after that people like Poyer, Swope, Webb, Sims and a kicker would be lovely.

If we'd have had a decent CB core last year we could have had a top ten defense the play was that bad in my opinion, when you consider that we've...

Love the 49ers draft; they got the best safety, a great tight end in McDonald and two very good pass rushers at very good value. Our draft this...

Would absolutely love Alex Okafor in the 4th, to me he's the steal at this stage and could actually start at RDE for us. He's big with room to add...

I imagine he'll start at LG ahead of Incognito in what might amount to just getting a cheaper player with a higher ceiling, he played there his...

49ers keep getting better, if people haven't figured out Kaepernick they're going to be right up there again!

Could NFLN ignore our selections anymore, barely spent time on us trading up yesterday and then just talked right through that one. Like the pick...

Loads of options still there for us, Lacy, Allen, Bailey, Kelce, McDonald, Armstead, CB?

Vance McDonald?

Beginning to wonder if Lacy is going to be there, i don't love him but you can't say it wouldn't be a value pick.

Watson then Banks gone not exactly what i wanted to see, be interesting to see where we go now and if we think Bailey will be there in the 3rd.

They basically traded Revis for Milliner, picked the third best DT when all were available in about the only position they have good depth in and...

He could be great though i really doubt it, i think he's got some real issues as a potential starting quarterback. The best thing is that they've...

This is fantastic, they couldn't run that football team any worse!

lol

Even bloody Mayock is at it now, just let the guy announce it! I don't mind them guessing but this is ridiculous

Someone tipping picks? That should be a no-no surely!

Be interesting to see if we actually get to pick in the second round and what that might mean for Albert, Menelik Watson still there with 2 gone.

I'm not that worried about the sack production at college level; a lot of the top rushers in the NFL now didn't have great sack totals their...

I'd be surprised if we didn't draft a corner today, we really need one and there are a lot of decent ones still available without touching the...

Wouldn't mind that at all! I'm not in love with Eifert at 12, i think he's a solid prospect but that its too high for someone who projects to be...

I really hope we don't take Fluker but i think it's unlikely, he's strictly a RT and we could have signed Winston for a very reasonable price if...

20. Tyler Eifert 19. Kenny Vaccarro 18. Tavon Austin 17. Jonathan Banks 16. Travis Kelce 15. Darius Slay 14. Tank Carradine 13. Reid Fragel 12....

I thought this was an interesting article, the bit from Jeremiah especially explaining why the workouts are so important to the scouting staff....

A for me; i love Austin but if Johnson falls to 12 you've got a steal; all the signs point to him being a top class tackle in the future, not to...

I believe Miami both should and will draft a tight end in this draft and i wouldn't be at all upset if it turned out to be Sims, especially if he...

1. Kansas City- Eric Fisher 2. Jacksonville- Dee Milliner 3. Oakland- Shariff Floyd 4. Philadelphia- Luke Joekel 5. Detroit- Ziggy Ansah 6....

I've spoken before on this forum about my feelings on Te'o (I don't like him as a first round pick). I don't really see what makes him 3 rounds...

I'm in, sounds a good idea; here's a template (assuming no trades). 1. Kansas City- 2. Jacksonville- 3. Oakland- 4. Philadelphia- 5. Detroit- 6....

I'm not in love with Elam, he takes too many plays off for my liking though he can be a real disruptive force at times. I don't think this safety...

I still think if we want a safety in this draft there are better options; especially when you consider where you'd have to pick Vaccaro. To me he...

Tyrann Mathieu

The thing with Rhodes is that though there's no reason he couldn't play zone there's no track record of him doing it, having played in what was...

1. Kenny Vaccaro (FS). Can't see this guy being anything more that an average safety at the next level, he's a decent run support safety but has...

Exactly; if we can't disagree civilly occasionally something is seriously wrong!:knucks:

I'm hoping Gray can make a real impact this year, not sure i rate him quite as highly as saying he'd be the top running back in the draft, but i'm...

I'm probably in the minority but i'd like to see Ahmad Bradshaw at least looked at; he runs hard, isn't that old at 27 and would provide a bit of...

The truly elite prospects in the class probably come down to the linemen; Warmack, Cooper, Fisher, Joeckel, Floyd are all players who should be at...

I don't think me and azfinfanmang are going to agree on Te'o, do you think Moore could have more success as an olb rather than a de?

I think you underestimate the impact this will have on his relationships with his fellow players. Coming into camp he will be a joke and he'll...

I know who he is :lol:. All i'm saying is that it's much easier to be an undersized, slow player in college than it is in the pros, that's not to...

Not sure we're quite a good enough team to really be in 'luxury pick' territory yet, that said if we sign a tackle (most likely Winston) we have...

I do see the comparisons to Zach; i just don't buy them, to me he's got all the disadvantages coming out 54 did and not enough on the other side...

I agree with you on Barkley, not quite sure what he's done to make people think he's much better than any of the recent USC quarterbacks,...

I see Ansah being the ultimate boom or bust prospect in this years draft, supremely talented athlete but hasn't been playing football that long;...

I'm with you completely i'm just sick of hearing that our scheme doesn't require talented corners, it does they just need to have different skills...

At this stage the favorite for the pick has to be Austin, he's the one there's the most buzz on and the one that makes the most sense when you...

Cant believe either of those two are seriously considering taking Austin, the Eagles have massive holes on both lines and this is a draft to help...

If Miami wants to pick up a DE in the draft i'd be much happier with Alex Okafor in the 2nd then anyone in the 1st. Outside of the tackles there...

I could see them jumping up to 10 on draft day if Lane Johnson fell to there, that's only about 100 points in the draft chart and the Titans have...

I haven't seen a lot of Fauria but the other TE i like is Dion Sims from Michigan State who does a lot of similar things to Kelce and Fasano and...

He ran slightly quicker at his pro day (4.57) but i agree his speed is a concern. I just think the guy has talent and can play cb in the nfl...

Anyone think Jonathan Banks could be there at 2A? The guy has some size (6'2) and obvious ability (Jim Thorpe award winner, 16 career INTs) and is...