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If its true they asked Gase if he'd be on board to tank they should have this first round pick stripped as a punishment.
As somebody that preferred to trade down I think Jimmy knew what he was doing...
The bucket didn't have holes for that week? How does that happen?
According to Football Outsiders Bortles isn't doing anything spectacular this season, their pass offense is ranked 15th, an improvement but he's...
Barnwell usually has a good pulse on our team but until pigs fly then there is no chance we move on from Tannehill with Gase here. Much more...
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Are you saying he had no influence on the Ajayi trade?
You must have better eyes than me because I don't see any grabbing and/or pulling down by the facemask. And that was definitely a punch. And...
The Bills and Jags have dominant looking defenses to this point, ours is average at best.
In 2015 PFF had Cutler ranked 15th in tier two and Tannehill ranked 19th in tier three.
I think a lot expected us to have a highly ranked offense, especially considering the Jets looked like they were tanking and the Saints have had a...
Well, people like to use stats to prove the "hottness" over Tannehill's great stretch. But when the stats improve across the board with Moore...
And we got even hotter after Tannehill went down with Moore. If Cutler is not at least even with Moore then why is he on our team? If Cutler is...
Philbin.
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Ka.
I'm like Dan Marino in bed. One of the quickest releases of all time.
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If you feel like Brady is a choker you are free to voice that opinion. Just as anybody is free to feel like Tannehill is elite. But you would in...
Agreed. It is.
I can't believe we're reliving the clutch argument again. And the same people believe choke exists but clutch doesn't... "I don't like this...
Its doesn't destroy anything because its a nonsensical analogy.
Saying "he wasn't allowed to run" is pretty black and white. The speeding thing makes no sense, it should be obvious why.
I replied to a post saying "he was never allowed to run." You responded saying that was common knowledge. Now you're moving the goalpost with...
It makes no sense. The speeding analogy makes no sense. It makes no sense the coaches, the same ones that were using the read option, would say...
Neither of those articles say anything about not being allowed to run. If he's doing it anyway then stop acting like it effected his game. But...
"Its common knowledge" only because people keep regurgitating it. So if he wasn't allowed to use his legs then why was it happening?
Off topic but I'm still puzzled as to how Satele never got another shot, even as just a backup. Its not saying much but just the Dolphins have...
If he wouldn't let him use his legs then how did he accrue 200+ rushing yards in each of his seasons under Philbin? In fact his rushing yards and...
Its what the Eagles have essentially done. Personally I prefer their QB situation to every mediocre QB situation. Will he be fired if Wentz...
That would depend on what you mean by "win." Is winning a perennial contender that has a legit chance to win the SB every season, or a team...
I would say the mistake people make is thinking stats have no place as a part of QB evaluation. Especially the people that will use stats when...
Football Outsiders paints a similar picture with respect to Cutlers best seasons relative to his peers. Team passing rank for Cutler led teams:...
Special teams is just another area where good coaches separate themselves from poor coaches. In Seattle you've got star players begging to be a...
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If Gase were smart he would have taken someone in 2016. At the very least replace Moore with someone like Foles. As far as the calculus changing...
Sure you can. Its a philosophical choice when you decide to give your unproven QB another weapon rather than draft another QB. Our organization...
Don't agree with anything so far. Here's one: it'll be cool having the roof.
How in the hell does Bowles get a free pass in the mess that is the Jets?
Football Outsiders has released their annual pressure vs no pressure findings. Here are the rankings of those 18 qualifying QBs without pressure...
You can't judge Tannehill because he doesn't have enough tools to be successful AND you can't judge Wilson because he has too many tools...
Yeah Tannehill was forbidden to scramble, just like he was forbidden to throw an accurate deep pass.
How many games did it take Marino to develop?
It depends on which fans you ask. A lot felt like Dalton would have won the SB with Houstons team last year.
I've browsed Bengal forums from time to time and the debates there have been eerily similar to here. Giants fans have had a love/hate...
In 2012 and 2013 the Dolphins had a top 10 scoring defense, and we were the only team to miss the playoffs having a top 10 scoring D both seasons....
Speaking of salaries. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/quarterbacks-and-salary-2016
Here's how I look at the whole 'is it the o-lines fault or the QBs fault for sacks debate.' Over different o-lines, coordinators, head coaches...
Brady had 17 games of 34 in the playoffs with a rating of 90+, exactly 50%. Manning had 10 out of 27 for 37%. For the regular season both were...
I wasn't really asking you, I was asking the others to test if they are biased or if they really think a QB of Tannehill/Daltons level is so much...
Try asking another way. Like lets say Tannehill is out of the picture for some reason, would people prefer to give the Bengals a first for Andy...
Its only Tannehill homers (and maybe Bengal fans) that don't believe human traits are innate.
I'm not a big Ryan fan but statistically he checks off some of the elite boxes. And according to Football Outsiders Atlanta has a top 10 passing...
Matt Ryan's first 5 seasons did not look "an awful lot like Tannehill's." Not even close.
Here's a question: If the Jets sign Kirk Cousins to a $130 million contract are Dolphin fans more likely to be laughing at them or biting their...
Is being outgoing a skill also?
Not sure if the Bengals would be willing but AJ McCarron had great college stats and won a championship, that could be a good "moneyball" play....
You know what also doesn't qualify? Ranking QBs starting from the point that "the offense started clicking."
Making stuff up? I was eyeballing it but CBrad crunched the numbers and I was right:
Moore was even better than top 10 over his stretch, which is also an inarguable fact.
Those same people say Moore is terrible at pre and postsnap reads, and his passer rating was still pretty good.
Dak?
If Tannehill had full audible authority then why does he need the coach to make this change? Why wouldn't Tannehill recognize the issues and get...
The same guy gave Tannehill an A or A+ almost every performance and Moore an F almost every performance this season so I don't take anything he...
He was referring to the passing game when he said its all 10 yards and under now. That quote has nothing to do with the running game or his...
8-8!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn't watch much of Marino but the fake spike tells me all I need to know about his football smarts. Tannehill is not football smart, which...
All I know is if Gase got fined for running an extra padded practice or two it would make me happy a little on the inside, because considering...
He is what he is. Dolphin fans would not bat an eye if the Redskins, Bengals or Chiefs went in another direction at QB, most would probably even...
Cardinals or Broncos.
When you are talking about adults and one does things that make others uncomfortable its not called being a bully, its called being a dick.
1. Martin was insane. He already tried to kill himself and was in a hospital room the day of the accusations. 2. Philbin wanted Incognito cut...
I don't disagree with most of what you wrote but not all players believed in him. Mario didn't for one.
It was better but I don't know if I would use the words MUCH better. Football Outsiders has the offense ranked 14th and the defense ranked 19th....
If people were saying Tannehill played great and this or that cost him the win then you would be right.
I would bet my life that if Tannehill had the exact same performance you would not say the same thing. You would be talking about his 98 passer...
This is just personal preference but I don't like his demeanor on the sideline. Reminds me of Tony Sparano.
11.5 now. Apparently it hit 13.5 earlier in the week.
The point is you can play the 'we would be ranked here had this happened/not happened' until you're blue in the face but the ranking is the...
Sure, but first tell us where they would be ranked had we not faced a hobbled Wilson, a third string QB at New England, a third string QB vs...
Yeah wind makes all the difference and it looks like its going to be windy for the first half of the game anyway. Its good and bad for the...
Everybody knew he would get lots of interviews. He will get 5 or 6 next year too. And another 5 or 6 the year after....
More disrespectful than being a double digit dog at home to a division rival?
Remember Wade taking AJ Green out of the game by doubling him all game then the next week we do the opposite? How'd that work out? Yeah, we...
They are 18th this season. They had injuries last year too. And probably every year.
Yards may not correlate well to win percentage but at the same time I doubt many top defensive coordinators have been ranked 30th or worse in...
Tannehill's trade value is higher because he's perceived to have more upside but I wouldn't bet my life that Tannehill would outperform Moore if...
A lot changed their opinion on him a few times this season. Even Resnor was saying he never really believed Tannehill was that good at one point...
This is life with an average QB. Go check out a random thread on Andy Dalton at a Bengals forum, the responses range from he's garbage and needs...
BP-A poisoning is making people fat. "BP-A free" is a lie, it is just replaced with BP-S or something which is just as bad. And unless you live...
Keeping in mind they average over 12 wins a season regardless of how tough or easy their schedule is how would you bring it up about the Patriots?...
Football Outsiders doesn't think our passing offense is very good relative to all the other passing offenses in the NFL. I know you have a...
Here's a little nugget to chew on: [ATTACH] Note: The passing offense is now up to 18 since Moore took over. And maybe its time to dust off...
Just noticed Football Outsiders has the Dolphins having the 31st toughest schedule and the Patriots having the 32nd toughest schedule in 2016....
What about them getting to play us and us having to play them?
Yeah, if it were up to me Moore never would have been signed in the first place. He shouldn't have been allowed to hang around through the...
I don't think anybody thinks Moore is better. Its just that the separation between the two isn't worth $18 million and a first round pick. Put...
So he's special and he sucks?
Yeah, having the second best DT in the league sure worked out well for us against Baltimore's quick passing attack...
I will say that if Gase is an analytics guy he should at least think about it. Though he shouldn't be too impressed with himself either. [ATTACH]
We should have taken a QB in the last draft. If that QBs name was Dak Prescott and he went on a tear while Tannehill was out then I'd say we...
Gonna need to do one for Cousins soon. Statistically, Cousins has been quietly having a phenomenal season.
He was good in his second year here...
I think Lazor helped somewhat. But still, he's hitting guys that are wide open by a country mile in many of those cases and by the time the ball...
We all know how recent rule changes have helped passing offenses in the NFL, passer rating is up, passing yards are up and points are up. Even...
Perkins tweeted that he couldn't tell if James had lost his starting role from practice or not. I predict he'll be benched for at least a quarter.
I'm betting it'll be Tannehill
When the fans were chanting "we want Moore" I thought I saw Moore trying to get a "no, we want Doughty" chant going. I think Moore loves his role...
"he doesn't believe that Tannehill is amazeballs, therefore he's not objective..."
This could look like a home game for the Steelers this week. If the offense continues to look anemic the "we want moore" chants will be even...
Ironic because that is what Philbin did then was marked for not having faith the QB, which is why we brought in Gase.
Good ole QB purgatory, when you realize you should move on but are too afraid of whats behind door B.
"Son, your potential is going to get me fired."
When watching Inside the NFL Micheal Irvin was talking about how the Cowboys players seem to be responding to Dak. When RGIII was in Washington...
What was even more impressive was Parker finding another gear to track that ball. In real time I thought he pushed off for sure but watching the...
And there it is. Impossible for you to be wrong and me be right. "I was right about Wilson, he did suck when I said he sucked. What happened is...
Did the Packers drafting Aaron Rodgers make sense? How about the Redskins drafting RGIII and Cousins in the same draft, did that make sense?
By what measure were they good?
When I read the tea leaves of what Ross and Gase are saying what I see is Ross was looking to hire somebody that believed in Tannehill, and that...
I don't see Gase going in a different direction this season and unless the QB we draft in the middle rounds of next season looks like the next Dak...
Theres a guy open right in front of him...
I'm not done with him but to be fair the rookie head coach in Gase and his choice of rolling with Tannehill and Moore might have been a part of...
Yeah he probably learned that move from the bum known as BB up in New England.... Its not as cut and dry as it seems under the new rules. If...
A lot speculated otherwise. Who knows how it'll work out in Cleveland but the fact that Marvin Lewis was willing to retire and hand the head...
If it weren't for Miller the score would have been 43 to -10.
Every QB that's widely considered above average-elite in the league today has a winning career record. I don't know what conclusions you draw...
The timeout usage was wishy-washy at best. We wasted a timeout when we shouldn't have and wasted too much time in calling the other timeouts to...
If you want to win you should. Out of the 11 close games so far this season there have been 11 lead changes late in games (if 5 minutes or under...
Easy solution: stop singing the anthem before games.
If every team scored what they "should have" then I would imagine their average points allowed would go up.
Very un-wake like. It was like he was doing his best Olivier Vernon impression for a play there.
Yeah that was bizarre. I thought the refs must have made a mistake when saying we called it. Only thing I can think of is we had too many men on...
I don't buy that he had much say over who we got rid of with Ireland here. We heard he wanted rid of Incognito after sexually harassing a woman...
I don't see how you can say Philbin was a control freak. Philbin was not opposed to audibling, we know this because Tannehill had a lot of...
There is evidence. For instance he audibled to a deep pass when we were in range to kick the game winning field goal in OT. Also against the...
If Doughty ends up starting for us this season somehow will he have the same full audible authority that Tannehill will have?
I would not agree with this.
Eventually but learning a new offense will be the excuse du jour.
He also said he felt like it was blown out of proportion in the same paragraph.
I feel like he was allowed to do something between nothing and Peyton Manning level audibles. Apologists are acting like he was not allowed to do...
I was about to post that excerpt. Very interesting.
Could be a long day for whitey from Texas.
Put 12 in the box to stop Lynch and force Wilsin to beat us.
Outside of injuries I don't envision any scenario in which we get rid of Tannehill while Gase remains. If we're bad enough that people get fired...
I think its pretty obvious that Gase was brought here to fix Tannehill, and Gase thinks Tannehill is fixable, or good enough at the very least....
I don't know how many still feel this way but a lot felt that Gase would get a "free" year to evaluate Tannehill and would then get his own guy if...
Ross made some interesting comments (paraphrasing): 'Tannehill has the full support of his coach, he didn't have that in the past.' 'Gase is...
I meant this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_(idiom) I thought it was a pretty common saying. :confused2:
The QB doing something completely idiotic with the game on the line is a ridiculous observation?
Yes it was a red flag. Red flag does not mean I'm 100% certain he will be a failure, its something to take note of and a bad sign. Game theory...
He won't even be "gelling" because I doubt Albert will start.
I'm pretty confident you'll change your stance on Tannehill the second he's no longer on the team too.
If Philbin was terrible wouldn't that have impacted Lazor? Why is it that terrible Philbin only affected Tannehill? Same for o-line and...
Lets see... - Philbin was terrible - Lazor was terrible - WRs were terrible - playcalling was terrible - o-line was terrible - we lost our...
Passer rating was a team stat, then in 2014 it was all about the QB, and now its back to strictly being a team stat.
Horrible? Relative to what? His average passer rating was 95 over the first 8 games. If he was horrible then whats the word for what Tannehill...
"All elite QBs have great stats" /= "all QBs with great stats are elite."
The key word was "great."
And no would say Newton was league mvp before he was 15-0.
I would bet somebody created a new account to let their true feelings about Wilson be known without letting their established account look foolish.
Its not even close to being true.
How about the SB then? Wilson is third all time in passer rating with multiple SB appearances and has the 9th highest passer rating in a single...
A lot of irony in this post. Tom Brady lost a game 31-0 once, guess that means he's wasn't elite or a hall of famer...
Kind of disturbing that this defense was giving our own offense fits in training camp.
Yeah, and even in the Denver game when given the same opportunity Rodgers had against us in the final minutes of the game down by 4 he threw an...
Have you ever seen Cam Wake play? If you did you would know lots of linemen whiff on blocks every week. Or does he only go up against poor...
How many games do you realistically expect a team to win with a raw QB? You admit he's raw, or not as good as he could be but you still expect...
Yeah, looking at football outsiders data Manning's passing offense was ranked 98- 13th 99- 4th 00- 1st 01- 8th Tannehill 23rd 20th 11th 24th And...
Its worthless if the QB keeps throwing you into the coverage (as opposed to throwing you open). In this play Wallace almost has to stop to make...
Wallace was ranked 20th in the league in 2014 (football outsiders). The recievers ranked higher than him with mediocre QBs or worse: 10. DeSean...
Here's a visualization. Its football Outsiders passing offense ranking, which I find to be more useful in comparing QBs from different era's...
Replace Tannehill with Manning (in his prime), or Rodgers, or any elite QB and they would have won more games, put up better numbers and maybe not...
The same way Fiedler persevered despite wanny?
From the words you wrote in your post that I quoted. What do you think Tannhill needs to succeed? Or maybe you think he already has succeeded?
So Tannehill is tier 4 then?
Fiedler was tier 3.
Yet, somehow we know Marino was a good QB, who would probably have made everybody's tier one.
Its hard to not overreact to the bludgeoning the defense is putting on the offense so far this camp, and on paper the defense shouldn't even be...
Boring prediction but I see 3-3 against the AFC East 2-2 vs the NFC 2-2 vs the North Which means a winning season will come down to Tenn and San...
Football Outsiders breaks up offense and defense to pass and run. New England: 2015 pass offense 4th run offense 12th pass defense 15th run...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgsdexkv18 This
I know why. Because its the worst song in the history of the universe.
Whats the proof? I agree that Hue could be a big loss but outside of the QB position (and its probably not even fair to add that disclaimer...
There are some things going for us that could put us over the top: - I think Bowles is overrated and the Jets are going to take a huge step back...
Looking at the schedule its easy to see how we might only win 4 or 5 games. Could easily start 0-4 with 3 road games against elite teams. But...
Actually, they are almost always coincide with a new QB. It feels to me like the coaching search was limited to candidates that liked Tannehill....
Two minutes to play down by 5 do you want 2014 Andy Dalton or 2014 Peyton Manning?
If that was Tannehill the excuse would have been the d-line was on him and 1.5 seconds and there was nothing he could do. ELI made a miraculous...
Its also the type of stuff they said about Coughlin. Fans are idiots.
If you believe choke exists then you must believe clutch exists. If 9 out of 10 are chokers then how do you describe the one non-choker? If...
So you admit that pressure can affect their play?
There is a reason "pressured situations" are referred to as "pressured situations..." Now I'm off to throw a few cubes of solid water into a nice...
5 year old: it was really neat, I added ice to my drink and my drink got cold resnor: WRONG!!!
I don't know why you think I don't know that, I never said it or even implied it. But what I also know is its correct to say ice can change the...
I have a new one to add to the list. Things that Tannehill homers believe: 1. if the stat makes the QB look bad then its a team stat. If it...
Add sugar to water, what made the water sweet? The Sugar. Add dye to water, what made the water change color? The dye. Add ice to water, what...
What made the drink sweet? Just say it.
I don't know, but try this one: Adding sugar made the drink sweet. What made the drink sweet?
Either way the drink is getting colder because of the ice.
Regardless of technical definition if somebody remarks that they like Tom Brady because he is clutch everybody in this thread knows what he means....
Sorry, but Tim Tebow is regarded as clutch. You don't believe clutch exists so its not surprising that you don't think Tebow, or any QB, is...
Tim Tebow is regarded as clutch...
Somebody doesn't...
I think what you think everyone in the world thinks the definition of clutch is is inaccurate.
Don't know, its third hand information. Don't even think its available to the public. I'm guessing the 0.5's are ties though.
[IMG] I just remembered this chart from a year ago I think.
Not really. This whole thread/discussion can be summed up with one word: [SPOILER]
Everything is 50/50. It either happens or it doesn't...
Maybe somebody on the other team, like the goalie perhaps, was as clutch or even more clutch than Lemiuex those series?
Clutch, leadership, football IQ or any other intangible would manifest itself through the win/loss record. Knowing that its pretty easy to see...
Yeah the passing offense was ranked 9th in 2001, which is pretty respectable. 1. Marino was top 10 a bunch of times. 2. Pennington had the...
According to Football Outsiders metrics Wallace was ranked 20th in 2014, considering Philbin, Lazor, the o-line and the QB coach were terrible,...
Matthews was kept on the sidelines because he wasn't very good and certainly wasn't a better option. Matthews developed nicely but this idea...
I saw Wallace running wide open all over the yard under Sherman. Just in one game against the Panthers he was wide open for easy scores on 6...
This one seems to be winding down, now I can't wait for the debate as to whether or not leadership exists.
What would you say to Bears fans: A. Stay the course, who are you gonna replace him with anyway? B. Poor bastards C. What do I think about the...
If you are thinking logically you would take Dalton in a heartbeat, though like 95% of Dolphin fans would probably take Tannehill.
How is it that Philbin had the power to trade Brandon Marshall and Vontae Davis but didn't have the power to get rid of Jon Martin or Richie...
It is possible to both hold the ball too long and get rid of too quickly, it all depends on the situation.
Getting rid of the ball fast may not always be the correct decision.
Most, if not all good-elite QBs passer rating drops off in 0-7 games. That is actually one of the more clear indications of a good QB. In 15+...
Sometimes the stats test and the eye test are at odds, the difference between me and some others is I'm not so full of myself and my eyes that I...
This 0-7 point win percentage certainly indicates something, I'm just not sure what that something is. Russell Wilson is supposedly clutch (13...
By this logic why shouldn't a team that wins 75% of its games be expected to win 100% of all games?
Nice try...
Welcome to the QB winz club.
lol.
I think we can dream bigger than merely getting to the playoffs 3 times in 10 years. And San Fran fans are idiots. Many of them wanted rid of...
10 years in the league and Smith has accomplished nothing. You know you've fallen on hard times when your hoping we get our own version of Alex...
You guys don't just want it both ways but every way. Raw QB? Just coach better to make up for it. I can play that game too. O-line sucks?...
Yeah, all we ever see is the defender is directly behind him. So unless he has eyes in the back of his head we never see him in his peripheral...
There are laws against using your phone while driving because there are correlations between using a phone and accidents (just like win/loss...
I can drive a car and have a conversation at the same time. Am I special?
Even Brady and Rodgers will move around a little to buy time against 3 man rushes, but they don't panic and you notice them looking around to see...
Not really the answers. The time to throw is up to the QB more than the o-line in many cases. If Brady/Rodgers see its a 3 man rush they'll...
Tim Tebow is 8-2 in 7 points or less games he started, including the playoff starts. One thing I noticed when looking at his stats from...
Never saw him play so I can't speak to him being an outlier. But I will say the league has changed a lot and the QB is much more important to a...
There you have it, climate change is not a thing, its snowing outside. Notice, none of those guys have a losing win/loss record.
Pretty sure its only Tannehill homers that don't believe in clutch or other intangibles. And that win/loss record is not a QB stat.
When hall of famers play their best the games are typically in the 15+ category and when they play their worst the games are typically decided by...
My interpretation is he thought he would be tested for alcohol so he tried to flush his system, but only realized after they weren't actually...
The only reason for optimism is there is a chance Brady will pull a Manning and his body will let go. And even then we'd probably only be left...
I read what you wrote, I just don't agree with your logic. What if the QB had a 140 rating when ahead and 100 when behind? That would be a 40...
Passer rating when trailing: 2012: 76 2013: 82 2014: 84 2015: 85 Not sure how you can conclude the Sherman years proves he's not a choker.
Pretty sure the word prediction does not fit there. I think probability calculation fits better?
Yeah, like the word predict... Simple Definition of predict...
So I'm not allowed to predict that you won't win the lottery? Where do you draw the line, am I allowed to predict the Patriots won't win the...
Yes you might. But I predict you won't. Notice I didn't say I'm certain you won't. There is a reason predict and certain are different words...
Piddly little like being able to change from run to pass or pass to run on most plays? Yet the QB is not culpable at all in the imbalance of the...
I predict that you will not win the powerball. I would even be willing to "gamble" and put $100 on that prediction.
I don't know about all that but my prediction is with Tannehill at the helm our offense will never be as good as it was in 2014 under Lazor when...
If you have a million sided dice with one side being green and the rest red, can you predict what color it will land on?
Thats why the non-flipper calls it in the air...
Plus, statistically Tannehill played his best under Lazor.
What if Lazor calls run, run, pass but what we do is pass, pass, pass?
Play to play success may not be optimal. If you only use it one time on the season and gain 90 yards you would have more play to play success...
It would be interesting to know what the yards per play would be in that scenario. One thing you would have going for you is because every...
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/bill-belichick-super-bowl-xxv-game-plan-stuff-legend-article-1.2435400
Yes this is exactly what I think most NFL coaches philosophy is concerning how often to use the playaction. I think this philosophy is wrong and...
Probably the team without Ben Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown.
What I'm saying is even if you pass 19 times in a row and playaction on the 20th the defense will still react to the playaction. I think there is...
From the article: That doesn't make sense to me. I think that even if you pass 100% of the time the play action pass would still prove...
They could also be things that happen when you don't run enough because you audible out of the run too much and in the wrong situations. Like...
Yes, positive Tannehill discussions are really just negative everything besides Tannehill.
If you're passing game sucks then everything else is moot.
After one season Gordon is Daniel Thomas and Gurley is Ricky Williams.
For my money the 4 best coaches besides Belichick of late are Bruce Ariens, Jim Harbaugh, Marvin Lewis and John Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh's record...
Passing yards, TDs, INTs and completion percentage are all the ingredients to the passer rating formula, which has him ranked 22nd on average. So...
His average rank over those 4 years is 21st in passer rating. He's worse in other metrics. Add that to the poor win/loss record and I don't know...
The difference in wins and losses can not always be explained by stats. Intangibles count for something, and are not measurable by definition....
I'm in the minority but I think the only way Tannehill is going anywhere is if he's so bad that Gase is fired (along with Tannenbaum).
Of course all of the top QBs also coincidentally have the top teams. I forgot that in your world all QBs are equal and their play never deviates...
I understand all that but the bottom line is the stat produces an accurate representation of how your average non-biased guru would rank the QBs...
Using nothing but a silly stat sorted for passer rating it spits out this for tiers: 100+ Russell Wilson Aaron Rodgers...
I don't understand your issues. Whenever a stat makes Tannehill look less than great its "a team stat," or "its somebody else's fault," or "I...
You only think its faulty because Sanchez is higher than Tannehill and Wilson is at the top. Why don't you show some actual evidence as to why...
It shows you nothing because you refuse to open your eyes and see anything that might show Tannehill in a negative light. If something is shown...
If you want to do something else with the stats you can fill your boots, but the fact of the matter is most, if not all good QBs have a good...
I don't think that. The other guy said we always carry 3 QBs on the 53 and that isn't true.
Not sure what your point is. Every QB with a low overall passer rating in the 15+ category would be considered not great QBs. Your Jay Cutlers,...
Its been a while since we've carried 3 QBs and I don't think many other teams do either.
The split just bunches all of the 15+ games together, you can look at how many were wins and losses but all of the other stats are totals for the...
They are career numbers but like I said were compiled last spring. Luck's is up to date though.
And one last point on why I believe elite QBs tend to have such dominating numbers in the 15+ category. Its because when they are at their best...
Having a good win percentage and a high passer rating in the 15+ category is a sure sign of good QB play but I don't know what to make of the 0-7...
These numbers are a little old as this chart is from an exercise I did last spring when I realized that point margins seem to be a good predictor...
I would say the more important part is he was still 5th in the league in passer rating and despite a terrible o-line was sacked less than any QB...
I know in the modern era no good/great QB has a losing record over any 64 game stretch. No good/great QB has failed to make the playoffs in any...
And if Tannehill had the perfect team around him he'd be probably viewed in the same light as a Matt Ryan. So one guy at worst is in the same...
I'm sure some people saw it, and history shows they were right. The ones that said he was just a function of his defense or coaching or whatever...
They've always won with Brady so why would the perception change on him? Its because they just keep winning despite many iterations of the team...
Remember that time when the flavor of the day was "but Tannehill's arrow keeps pointing up and Wilson just keeps regressing..." Like that, sooner...
Never mind the fact that after the Raiders game Philbin praised Tannehill for making plays with his legs saying something like 'if you want to win...
Yeah and on top of that you have to factor in that he wouldn't be allowed to throw accurate passes down the field also.
Sherman let him audible like a big boy, even as a rookie in OT.
What numbers are you talking about specifically? The Bengals have a ****ty o-line and no tools? Seems like one of the most stacked teams in the...
Would Dalton's numbers be better in Seattle?
Welcome to the wonderful world of unionized labor. Besides, I'm sure its pretty easy to circumvent by hiring an "independent" coach who just...
Yeah I would say the Chicago stuff is more Gase's offense and the Denver stuff is more Manning's offense.
Almost every turnaround in recent history has coincided with a QB change, its not a coincidence. Tannehill is tainted goods within the...
Were the Grimes booted from the team because Miko is spreading lies or because she's telling too much of the truth? I don't see the team refuting...
The year we drubbed the Chargers we were top ten in scoring defense, top 10 the year before too and we were the only team to not make the playoffs...
Gase and Tannenbaum better hope Grimes doesn't play at a probowl level or god help them. They will be the NFL laughing stock of the century.
Gase has final say on personnel so he will have no one to blame but himself.
So I guess the answer is Foles and Chip were a match made in heaven? :confused2:
Its not just as likely because Landry is still here. The offense rankings with Tannehill: 2012-20th 2013-22nd 2014-8th 2015 before Lazor was...
Sure. But I would point out that Brady was still able to win 13 games with a bad o-line while losing his best weapons for a lot of the season.
I'm in the "I'll believe it when I see it mode" from now on on all things Dolphins. No more getting my hopes up. It is interesting that Philbin...
Both ways can work. Belichick is the master at exploiting his opposition week to week and Pete Carroll's system is obviously very effective (and...
"Omaha" was all him.
You've never seen a QB escape a free DT and throw a TD pass? Do you only watch the Dolphins play Kyle Orton/Matt Cassell QB'ed teams?
Yeah because your belief that Ryan Tannehill is an elite QB being made to look mediocre by the things around him is totally on par with saying the...
From that same article Manning had a passer rating of 122 vs no pressure to 90 with pressure, do these numbers also prove there is great variance...
Some QBs thrive by extending plays to make big plays but take a lot more sacks in the process (Roethlisberger, Wilson, Rodgers). Others know that...
I think he meant 3rd down percentage where we ranked 30th at the end, but were at 32nd for a spell. We were also 30th in time of possession.
Just look at Manning, in his career he was sacked an average of 17 times per season over many different iterations of o-lines, different coaches...
Carr is at least as good as Tannehill so you dump Tannehill and take another crack at it while you wait and see on Carr. And you save a ton of...
Here you go: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/0ap3000000401211/Playbook-QB-or-not-QB
Wilson is second all time in NFL passer rating, holds the record for highest single season passer rating in college, and hasn't gotten a single...
Scouting reports... David Carr: Andy Dalton: Chad Henne: Read more at http://walterfootball.com/pro2008chenne.php#aChZqsV8gJWWLvcA.99
I doubt there are any introverts that speak for a living on national TV.
you didn't even quote the most interesting part of that article...
The only people that actually believe that belong in the Ryan Tannehill fan club.
I would say Ross definitely wanted Gase. He said this time around he wanted to go with his gut (as opposed to the committee convincing him to...
You can't just simply say the defense affects the offense and leave it at that. It CAN affect the offense. Just like the offense CAN affect the...
It could be that his second choice, somebody like Shannahan, told him they would not work with Tannenbaum, kind of like when Harbaugh and Fisher...
The defense was considered the strongest element of the Patriots in the early 2000's too, that doesn't mean the people that saw Brady as elite and...
Miami Dolphins: 20 New England Patriots: 10
I watched this ten times and laughed every time.
If you know the offense is destined to tank by firing Lazor then why do it?
The offense was ranked 15th before Tannehill got his mitts on game plans. Now we're dropping like a stone in the rankings despite playing nothing...
You could make the same argument with respect to batting averages but I'm pretty sure 99.9% of people will continue to use it as a measuring stick...
Last year had you compared him to Dalton you might as well have been comparing him to Geno Smith. Now being compared with Dalton is high praise?
I'm sure you can look at every failed third and fourth down in a vacuum and make a sound excuse for why every single one of them failed. Had...
From what I remember we had "inside info" that Marshall was involved in some shenanigans at a night club and potentially could be suspended for...
Is that possible? No hope at the playoffs. No hope at the top pick. Don't even have a QB on the bench worthy of starting a controversy over, so...
Pretty sure he was talking about this year hence citing his stats from this year.
Its even simpler than that for me. No horrible QB has ever thrived, period.
Its not like you can say unequivocally that "unshackling" him is guaranteed to have better results. When you make changes simply to make changes...
I forgot to add Zach Taylor to the list, I remember many a homer felt like he was the coach MOST responsible for holding Tannehill back early in 2014.
And he wasn't even involved in gameplanning or allowed to audible. He would have to be one of the greatest QBs of all time to overcome all of...
If Philbin was such a big problem AND Lazor was such a big problem AND Wallace was such a big problem AND Dallas Thomas was such a big problem AND...
We always win when Miller has 20 or more rushes, so lets just run it 20 straight times to start games. Undefeated here we come...
The problem is the QB greatly influences those o-line rankings.
So two weeks after he was fired those blowout wins proved the team had talent and all it needed was a real coach and now we have proof the team...
Oh and as far as Landry being an idiot on the kickoff return what he was attempting to do was touch the ball with a foot out of bounds, which...
The TD to Cameron epitomizes whats wrong with Tannehill and our offense in general. He went above and beyond on that play extending the play on...
There is no reason for the Saints to be sucking so badly the past few seasons other than the coaching sucks.
By your definition you could argue that Peyton Manning doesn't have the ability to audible...
Yes he could... How do you think I know about the above plays? Sherman admitted it in postgame pressers. And recently Campbell said he had more...
No it doesn't. Tannehill could audible under Sherman. Against the Jets in OT when we were already in game winning field goal range he decided it...
The only reason I keep Campbell if he produces a losing record is if I want to keep Lazor and Hickey in place for another year. LAZOR: At this...
OK so for Seattle you combined the two but how did you calculate our line is ranked 24th? How about last year? If you combine the 2 our line...
Where do you see their o-line is ranked 25th on Football Outsiders? I see 32nd. And you said our offense is ranked 13th which proves the dink...
Seattle has the 15th ranked offense with the 32nd ranked o-line. They don't dink and dunk.
If they come clean and say he was in fact injured they could cost the team draft picks. If they lied about the injury report before they aren't...
The vast majority of fanbases wished they had an average o-line but what they don't realize is thats exactly what they have. When it comes to the...
According to Football Outsiders metrics Matthews is the 3rd best WR in the league this seasons and Miller is the 4th best RB. Matthews is quietly...
I bet you if you did a study you would find that about 25ish fanbases wished they just had an average o-line...
I think its pretty rare for a QB to get anywhere near 100 passer rating just from garbage time stats. When the formula was created 100+ was...
86 career and 86 this season.
1. Tannehill is on pace to have 8 games of 8+ y/a this season. That is in-line with the upper echelon/elite QBs. I think these are the kind of...
When Ryan Tannehill has 8+ y/a: 2012- 3 times for an average of 21 points per game and a 2-1 record 2013- 2 times for an average of 24 points per...
What if Rodgers was the one that had the bad game and the o-line was their normal selves, just for arguments sake how would things look...
Its not a possibility that Rodgers just had a bad game? "Hey, we all know Rodgers is good for 300 each and every game so if he doesn't get 300...
If Tannehill just needed four years to develop then how can you judge the o-line, wide receivers and coaching in the meantime? You can't have it...
I'm thinking Campbell needs to go 8-4 at worst to be handed the job outright. Remember, Campbell is still a part of the old tainted coaching...
Yeah well Tannehill is running the same system that made Foles look like a semi-god on a weekly basis.
The running game is the strength of the team so you wouldn't be asking the new QB to win despite no running game. As far as the o-line goes I bet...
What does that have to do with anything? Is Jay Cutler is a "franchise QB?" I don't care what label you put on Tannehill, for me he is part of...
So just the eye test. If you don't like stats just say you don't believe in stats and move on. 99% of regular people do believe in stats to a...
How do you know he's consistently improving then?
LOL. You guys started using the passer rating stat as evidence that Tannehill was consistently improving and was above average last season... If...
Its the opposite. Andy Dalton has a winning record. I don't know if that is because he could be playing to an elite level or if he has an elite...
Passer rating, yards per attempt and every stat that people use to measure QB play all involve other parts of the team, yet despite that they are...
There is no proof. There will never be "proof." If you want to believe that all elite QBs have all been on great teams and that might be one...
Tannehill is an incredible athlete but he's not good at actually playing the game. This will always cost us a win or two every season, especially...
Don't know. Didn't follow football much back then. Whether he was or wasn't it doesn't change the fact that 99% of elite QBs have winning...
Troy Aikman having a great o-line, RB or defense does not disprove the fact that 99% of elite QBs have winning records. Don Shula being an elite...
Its funny how quick you guys are to use one stat that correlates to QB play to discredit another stat that clearly correlates to QB play. QB...
86-84
107-51 94-71 The records and the rings would indicate they were elite.
Sanchez being a winning QB doesn't disprove what we are saying. There are plenty of examples of winning QBs that may or may not be elite. Show me...
Both of those QBs have winning records. Keep trying.
Take a look at number seven on this list: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career_playoffs.htm
Them: Why do you think win/loss should be considered a QB stat and not simply a measure of the team they're dealt? Me: 99% of elite QBs have...
How many great QBs have posted a losing record over a 64 game sample?
And if Tannehill would have completed the pass on 2nd and 9 vs GB, or the pass on 3rd and 6 at Detroit, or drove us down the field at Denver...
I thought Turner looked decent at RT against the Jets week 17.
How many teams are having great success with a mediocre QB and a great o-line? This scenario is even more rare than elite QBs, which means it may...
Collinsworth made the point that his first read was never open, if your first read is never open then the o-line has to block longer, which will...
If a QB is bad and has poor pocket awareness and/or holds the ball too long his o-line is also going to look bad, right? So in this scenario...
Or like when Rodgers did convert a first down in an almost identical situation and never let Brady see the field again.
Peyton Manning is also an elite QB. Maybe he put his team on his back?
I found this on a San Fan forum:
Apparently to go along with his injured shoulder Luck has been dealing with multiple fractured ribs all season. So is it 100% the o-line causing...
2014 is not the only year that ever existed. THERE ARE OTHER YEARS!! This one, 2015, for instance.
lol. So win/loss went from being not a QB stat at all to the only QB stat?
And this time we kept James at RT, so instead of having two bad tackles we had just one. Tannehill looked bad without Albert this season...wait...