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Hey Key, sorry to see you go. When I actually had time to post you were one of my favorites to get perspective from.

We are starting to dip back into arguments of the past. First I don't consider Roethlisberger elite. The only stat by him that would make people...

Well no that's just a perfect storm scenario. If you have an elite QB taking nonelite pay then you have the best of both worlds. It doesn't...

I actually try to avoid the word elite when talking about Tannehill. For me (just like you) it has a different meaning then a lot of other...

I actually don't have much to disagree with on this post. I don't think he potentially falls into tier 3 category, in fact I would argue he at...

Again you are missing that there is an entirely different equation that you keep ignoring. Let's go with your equation above. BUT lets not put...

Again I'm not missing your points, you are spinning new points instead of having the discussion at hand. Tannehill this year did not have a solid...

You have to quit jumping from direct statements to over arching theories, its literally just a way so you don't have to answer any real questions....

You make no sense. Aaron Rodgers regularly fails to make it to the super bowl almost every year and often with better talent then what Tannehill...

Quit playing games, you are being ridiculous. 11-5 is a solid season, what difference does it make what Washington needs to win their division?...

They had a bad pass protecting O-line, and a bad defense this year. Still won the division. In fact they had the worst defense and I believe the...

Titans were 24th in pass protection. They were on backups of backups. If they were ranking out at 12 or 15 and I was making the claim he needs...

This pretty much sums it up for me. Tannehill is going to do what he has done these last couple of years going forward with the Titans. IF they...

Wide open receiver can make adjustments that a covered receiver can't. If you under throw a WR that has 3 steps on the guy he can slow down and...

Completely agree. I think you can go a long way with a line that is "coached up", but you still need to be game planning for each match up....

For those pushing the narrative that Tannehill needs an elite line to perform, this is the line he is currently working with. Quessenberry rd...

Not to pile on, but if we look back in time at Miami now, I think it goes without saying that the 6 games of elite level play with Tannehill were...

This is one of those rare occasions where a loss just doesn't bother me that much. The entire team is likely to take a huge step forward next...

This is only concerning if you completely ignore everything else that's happening. He has 4 come from behind wins this year alone. That is 4 out...

So just to be clear, option C - Tannehill is just a average QB that is benefiting from a stacked Titans team, is off the table now? Are we moving...

You know, I was thinking something very similar. I wonder if that was part of the big divide on how we could have 2 massive splits between the...

Great to see a young team step up!

WOW!!! Thats the D I was hoping to see this year!

I wish I had confidence that Dolphins can just put this away... Man it must be nice to support a team that gives you that feeling of confidence...

That... was awful

Not enough to reverse is my guess.

Yeah but it was still a solid play from the entire Defense. Pressure on the QB a solid pursuit when the QB got flushed, and a CB breaking on the...

Nice!!!

Come on D. How is it they lose their starting LT and we actually look worse at getting to the QB?

Its just nice to see the whole team stepping up, making plays. I'm not ready to believe this is the new Dolphins yet, but it gives me some hope...

Probably a bad ejection. I didn't think the guy had any idea it was the ref.

Beautiful play!

meh... I would have liked to see them actually go for it.

Nice hands by Gaskin. That wasn't the best throw.

nice outing from the D. Saw some crashing down on the run and Howard was in the right spot just couldn't see the ball.

ouch... sorry man. Normally I would hope for him to get you some garbage time stats, but I just can't do it against my Dolphins, I want them to...

Minshew just looks awful. He looked great last week, this week he doesn't look like a QB I would trust with a franchise.

Awesome way to get off the field. Maybe we can get some confidence going on D.

Well at least the LBs were watching for the QB run that time.

What a horrible decision... there was no pressure that was just a crap decision by the QB.

Man Gesicki is looking good this year.

OH you are one of those evil Genies... :P

This DL better figure out some aspect of the game. Pass rush, QB contain, Shutdown running lanes... at this point I don't even care what they...

Are we ever going to learn how to contain the QB?

NICE!!!

Nice run from Grant!

I hope not. with the power he showed last year he is a natural at hitting the holes and running people over. It would suck if he is one of those...

Winning a primetime game would do wonders for my patience with this team.

Henry really hasn't had a good game yet this year. At least not by his standards. I'm starting to think he is more of a 2nd half of the season...

You are a stats guy and you are willing to say with some degree of certainty that two examples give you a strong enough indication that it works?...

But you would need to see that you could lower his rating with marginally worse effort, you would also need to run a cost analysis on investment...

Well it is football. I think there is a little bit of correlation across the whole game. Obviously some things are less of a modifier then...

To be clear you mean the lesson from the game is IF YOU HAVE THE PATS #1 DEFENSE, you can focus less on Henry and more on Tannehill? Again this...

I assume this works similar to the invisible hand of economics. Teams probably have seen their pass game weaken the more predictable and pass...

Its hard to tell where you are drawing the line now. You have stated that you would be willing to "let" Henry rack up big yardage in a game while...

Well I agree they got to do that as far as the pass offense goes, but The Guy is making some crazy argument based on stats that the best way to...

You are conflating 2 different arguments here. I'm not saying running every down is the correct way to play on offense and it will win you the...

That would only be true if they arbitrarily switched to defend against Henry. Teams were getting destroyed by him and they had to put resources...

Why is it when you start out talking its about team averages and statistical decisions, but when it gets to meat and potatoes you turn to some of...

So you are making a determination, that you can dedicate defensive resources to stop Tannehill from having success without dedicating resources to...

I'm not ready to throw the towel in yet, but I was expecting to see a better team then this. I expected to see raw talent that makes a lot of...

But what's your plan B and when do you implement it? If Henry breaks a 50 yd TD? What if he is killing your star CB who is having to bring him...

Its a good question, but I don't think Titan's are making a fundamental mistake that lucked into success. I think they are attempting to see...

You are saying the best possible scenario for stopping them is letting them execute their primary Offensive strategy... Something isn't right with...

I think this is an economic question and not a statistical question at this point. If you are paying Tannehill for the value he brings to the...

The other problem with your statistical diagnosis is you are creating subsets within the population. Once you do that you HAVE to know what...

I might be missing something but where do you get Foles was on his rookie contract? He came out in 2012 and had already gone to 2 different...

high QB rating and generational talent are not interchangeable. And your are presenting a different rule then you were previously stating. OF...

He has been to an AFC championship game a total of 1 time, and this was his first time playing in the playoffs. Its a little early to say what we...

Well I'm a little bit different opinion I think he can overcame some basic disadvantages, a couple of dropped passes here and there doesn't...

I thought that on some of the plays as well, but on 1 of them he had a blocker coming to clear the one defender. The blocker just didn't get to...

You ignored the rest of what I said. EVEN ELITE QB don't often win from the sixth seed. It has happened twice(sixth seed wins at all, not elite...

Outside of the bickering, I just wanted to say I'm proud of Tannehill. That was a gutsy run and one hell of a Cinderella story. It also gave me...

Its not black and white. The better the QB the less supporting cast you need to make a run. Tannehill is a really good QB, so he requires a good...

I gotta a disagree here. I think most of us wanted to talk about Tannehill, cause we still like Tannehill. Thats what this thread was about. I...

I thought that PI call was questionable as well. In regular season I would shrug it off, but this whole post season has been about the refs...

nah, that's a legit view. I agree with your point as well, I'm just saying I don't think anyone will take issue with what he said.

You will have to clarify how he played "nowhere near like he did in the others". And remember you can't just throw QB rating out there, cause...

WELL if you are going to give his QBR rating additional meaning and context then you will need to do that for all the other QBs in the league....

No I don't think we ever did. right up till when we traded him, I was saying it was sad cause we never actually got to see what he could do. To...

OR a team is going to have to find a way to stop Tannehill from scoring so many damn points on so little throws, cause you can't beat a QB that...

No I don't, cause I'm not trying to draw any comparison. I'm saying that you need to take into account why in a 3 GAME sample size, numbers might...

Except this year, as explained earlier is such a small sample size that you have to do in game analysis. 2 interceptions that were "perfect...

I can't help you then. Cause I stated nothing but facts. points win games. A QB that can get more points off of 15 throws, is better then a QB...

So you don't agree that what he is doing is rare... that's weird...

Right, so what Tannehill is doing is very rare... thats how you define elite play right? So we agree, awesome.

Unless of course you can site a game that the officiating gave a win to the other team cause they had more yardage and less points???

Completely wrong. the goal is to score points PERIOD! That garbage of yards is added on to try to make your side more believable.

No I think its a lack of talent by the rest of the league. If they can't score enough points in high volume to force Tannehill out of low volume...

Except he is scoring more points with his low volume. What good does it do to go high volume if you are going to be outscored by low volume...

Nope, if you're not scoring more points when you are throwing more, Mahomes will win. There just isn't a way around that. In fact the team...

Nope, more passes equaling less points is bad. Clearly there is no way around that. If you HAVE to throw it 40 or 50 times a game you better be...

They are scoring less points then Tannehill with higher volume passing this year... THAT should make you distrust them don't you think?

Awww I see, so now even though your premise is based on my opinion of not trusting Tannehill, if I equally don't trust these other guys, clearly I...

No, if that was how he classified elite play, while wrong, I could at least respect that he planted his flag and makes a stand. But it isn't. As...

I wouldn't trust Wilson, Rodgers, Brady, Watson, and just about every other QB in the NFL to run with Mahomes in a pure shoot out. I guess that...

Funny, considering how badly Vegas missed on the Baltimore game. Funnier still they made a ton of money cause people refused to bet on the Titans...

You can make them all you want. You can also go put a ton of money on them since you seem to think you know whats going to happen. I would...

You just don't get it... They didn't go into Baltimore expecting to dismantle them. They went in expecting a dog fight and they took advantage...

You just stated that the ONLY reason one would be worried about losing to the Chiefs is if you believe Tannehill's play has been a mirage.... My...

Come on man. Sometimes you drift into a reasonable stance, only to throw it all out the window a few posts later. No team should be expecting to...

hmmm, well our QBs get sacked alot... and I like seeing Brady get sacked....

You only feel that way cause we are Dolphins fan. When you have an organization that doesn't suck at finding FA talent, and constantly screws up...

I'm not really talking about pass plays, just an attempt to increase number of possessions. Baltimore still scores at a very high rate per...

I'm not sure they will want to mimic NE's game plan. That game plan would also greatly reduce the number of times their offense gets the ball....

I agree with you, but I don't think the Tannehill fans are going out of there way to plaster Tannehill hyperbole in the face of the anti Tanny...

The problem is, there are very few things as damning as missing, when the eye test was against your final decision. Tenn. would be crazy to let...

Well to be fair I don't know that you ever get definitive when it comes to sports. Even with all of the historical numbers you can have 2 very...

Soooo they won't stay this good, cause they are just too damn good??? My guess is if you look through Brees, Brady, and Rodgers career you will...

People might claim this as a knock against Tannehill, but I think they need to give him help early with heavy runs. It is his first actual...

Thats a legitimate discussion to have. My post was mainly directed towards some of the more drastic overstated short comings of Tannehill that we...

Why??? We were actually about to end the season with a little bit of positive vibe...

Yep, the debate needs to be over. At least the one that have plagued these boards for the last couple years. Can he be the on field leader? Yes...

Seeing how Flores did for the year has given me a little more hope. But I'm with you, I don't really want Grier in control of our draft, but...

I think we are behind in value, but with that we also gain flexibility. I don't suspect that we will be competing next year, I assume our ceiling...

I can get behind starting him for one more look, but not as an effort to just help the draft position. We have survived the season and played...

But this isn't a team that was tailor made for Tannehill. You can say that he has some similarity to Marriota, but nobody on the Titans team this...

Is it fair to weight his 1/3 a game against Denver as an equal weighted game? I would assume for clarity you would throw out a game that would be...

This 1000% unfortunately there just isn't good data for types of pressure. Tannehill is doing something in Tennessee that he just COULDN"T do...

As much as I loved having Tannehill here, and how much I do think the Dolphins are going to desperately miss him, I wouldn't be for this move....

Actually there is a crazy theory out there that Titans might let Tannehill go if they think they can get Brady... I have had this sense of doom...

Actually the first part of your post was all I really cared about getting you to state. Some of your posts seemed like you weren't giving him the...

Is it just semantics we are arguing at this point? I feel like statistics can tell us the likely hood of Tannehill having 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5...

Did I miss the % somewhere? Again as stated before I am looking at the games as their own individual data point. What I'm asking for is the...

91.0001 and up

So are you saying that an Average QB isn't equally likely to have a below avg passer rating then above?

No I'm talking exact average. which is 91 or 92 I think? With Tannehill being average my guess is this is practically the flip of the coin...

So what is the percentage that in a 5 game stretch Tannehill has 4 games above league average and 1 below. I think we can agree that this would...

Okay so now there is no such thing as good, average, and bad. What your describing doesn't make sense, WE CLEARLY use good bad and average to...

Why would you use standard deviation as the mark of good or bad? That doesn't make any sense. That value has a purpose but determining what a...

Actually I like to play craps, so yeah that's not far off from my expectation. 3 heads being the strongest and you get weaker as you make your...

Not the same thing. You are picking from the entirety of the NFL and all of history, while clearly my entire argument was only applicable IF...

I think we are looking at 2 different points here now. I'm assuming you are looking at a accumulative point structure? while I'm looking at the...

If the start of a five game streak is based on randomness, then it is equally likely that the start of a 4 game 3 game 2 game and 1 game streak...

Ok so let me see if I can blow your mind on this. you say that its all random then from that perspective it was equally likely (actually more...

Also, while stating that there are things we can't adjust for, but those things clearly make a difference, how can you turn around and say my...

Isn't that probability of him having a 5 game stretch like this vs having that exact 5 games from a given point? If he played the next 5 years,...

So something else to consider (or at least another way to look at it) is what was the most likely outcome from Tannehill using the assumption that...

Honestly I think he earned that on his gutsy 2 pt conversion. Before that his teammates, hell, even his coaches were a little standoffish of...

That sounds a little bit like back peddling... Its ok you can start liking Tannehill we won't hold it against you :) The problem is the internal...

I think it did more then light a fire under him. I think he got to let go of some of the pressure, I think he is playing loose and is letting his...

I'm just just joking around with you. Like I said I thought Panther was way over hyped, but I can see it being at the bottom of someones list.

I call into question your taste in movies with the Black Panther statement :) I thought it was over hyped, but the worst marvel movie?...

I feel like you nailed my point in the first paragraph, but I'm not sure I follow on your 2nd. In my 3rd scenario, the OL would have given up...

Well we aren't talking about just bad teams, we are talking about averages. So we will have teams that have a great OL that will push their game...

Actually there is a plausible mechanism for what's being described. If you are a coach and you know your team is going to give up pressure fairly...

If you can average the same level of pressure rushing 4 as you can against most teams rushing 6 you might rush 4 all day long and feast on the QB...

So you don't care if a team has to use 4 players, 6 players, 11 players, 11 plus the mascot to get to the QB and cause that pressure. As long as...

But you can determine average based on a single stat picked out of all of the available stats? Damn it, I suck at statistics...

First you found one stat that makes it look like the O-line was average here and now you keep hanging your arguments off of that concept. However...

I suspect main plan is still to draft a QB 1st unless we win our way out of top 3 on the board. I wouldn't doubt that these are contingency plans...

The eye test says that he is taking some extra sacks trying to push the ball. This and his pocket awareness is the one thing I have had to agree...

Just to add to this, he has been a fun QB to watch this season as well. That might have more to do with the lack of stress since the end result...

I just don't think there is anything to gain, and why mess with the chemistry that took us this long to achieve. I was fine with using the little...

Again you seem to be putting the QB into a magical bubble. Are all the other players not effecting the team they play for? My point isn't that...

Are your thoughts strictly as it relates to QBs? We have seen coaches, RB, Wrs, all types of Defensive talent switch to other teams and either do...

Actually he wasn't bad in the game at all. 1 interception was just bad luck hitting his WR in stride in both hands and it pops up to the defense....

You think so? That would be interesting, it feels like as the draft gets closer the media starts pumping up ALL QB prospects so the "not on the...

I would love to have Chase Young, but we are't in the right situation to do it. Its QB, unless we lock up the 3rd or 4th overall pick and we...

Right, but at this point he has played as well as can be expected in the games that he has been in. So by your metrics there was nothing he could...

When he went to the Titans I was actually hoping he would sit for at least 5 or 6 games, he needed to get out of his own head. I think he is...

I think that ship sailed when the rest of the league came to the conclusion we are tanking. There is little to no damage to reputation that will...

Thats the problem though. Like him or hate him our front office had their QB in Tannehill without having to give up the farm to get him. That...

Great game for Tannehill. I hope he has found a home. It was still time for us to move on cause there just wasn't anymore goodwill in the fan...

I just don't see a reason to go through this type of year if you aren't taking a QB. If the front office doesn't believe the hype on Tua then...

I hear you but I want to see if that pattern continues now that he is away from this team and its less then stellar record of putting people in...

I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do. He actually didn't do bad in last weeks game. He moved them into scoring position a couple of...

I'm not sure we need to worry about it. I suspect we are going to make Washington feel a lot better about themselves.

That's an expensive 2nd rd pick... are you thinking Cousins could still turn it around, and win the start here?

Similar to the strategy Washington used with RG3 and Cousins. Unfortunately you will have 1/2 the time to evaluate each QB in game time...

I see no chance of that happening... but IF it did, than it means we must have fixed some things behind the scenes and it would give me a lot of...

Sometimes players need that dose of reality. Getting sent to another team might be what the guy needs to make the next step. I'm not personally...

Well we will get to see what he's made of... literally...

yeah saw your other post after I had responded. I agree with your take on it.

There is more nuance than that though. We have all seen the guys that check out when they have their 2 weeks in. I think Pauly is just saying the...

Well to be fair they were never irrelevant. They were bad that one year, but were a heavy favorite all the years leading up to it.

But the rest of the picture is they were horrible for years before that, so they constantly had high picks in the draft. Even after getting...

I think this sums it up for me. I think the better fix, even if it is slower, is to get the right Front office working on the problem. If you...

That statement has nothing to do with the game we just played. This has to do with the behind the scenes dealings, the way we have handled...

Sorry but no, you can cheer for Texans to lose without delighting in a Left Tackle that was loyal to us having a horrible game. I don't see those...

If we could have developed talent and had successful drafts then we could have turned this team around without this god awful season. Every year...

You should probably get as many of these posts in as you can, by week 4 he will be back on top as one of the best Left Tackles in the game. I'm...

I hear you man. We were maintaining an 8 and 8 record while continuing to have lack luster drafts and bad Free agent choices. I personally don't...

I get what your saying, but other teams have been able to right the ship without this horrendous display. Our problem has always been poor talent...

He might not get another opportunity if he is complicit in a tank job of a season. Even if what we are doing is not tanking, to the rest of the...

4 games seems like the ceiling for us this year. I see what they are trying to do, I just can't help but think when its all said and done we are...

Doesn't feel like its going to be a "reasonable" deal to get him to stay. Maybe we have just been burned too many times, but I feel a little...

Not for Tunsil, man I hope we don't do that. Are we really even ready to pay out for another big name? I'm having flash backs of Suh all over again.

I just don't see the push off. I have no doubt that we get called on that play a few times, but mostly due to an angle the official has where he...

I need to see some direction to be happy. If we only win 2 or 3 games, but I can see our defensive (for example) starting to take form then I'll...

I will take it all with a grain of salt. Every year we hear about somebody winning in the camps, and so far it hasn't really grown into any type...

Maybe Gase needed this. A little bit of humility might do him some good. I think in a couple years we will be seeing a more mature (as far as...

This game is going to tell us a lot. If we win here, it will go a long way is killing the Jekyll and Hyde personality that has plagued us for so...

I hope Tannehill is given the opportunity to make plays under the pressure. I'm actually more worried about overly conservative play calling...

You can be great and get talked about, or you can be historically bad and get talked about. But if you sit in the pocket of mediocrity there...

Coaches need to adjust and they need to adjust now. I'm not interested in blowing up the team, but I'm all for heating up the seat under these...

None of them went on to have NFL success as a Head Coach with another team? Key point being "went on", Jimmy Johnson clearly had success before...

So it was reported(and I have seen a few posters mention it here as well) that the Tannehill injury was during the 3rd game? I'm sure it won't be...

I'm going to try to take a little bit of a positive spin from yesterday (believe me its pretty hard). I think we needed that loss. We weren't...

Man I hope you're right, but I don't ever mark a division game as an easy win. The Jets can be 0 and 15 coming into the game against us and I...

I think it was one of the shows on NFL network after week 1 we stayed at 23 on their board, but the Titans dropped 11 positions (to 24 I think)....

Even before this injury this rule has been painful to watch when its been enforced. After the injury... I really really hate anything and anyone...

So many players need that wake up call, getting shipped to their 2nd team. If he turns out to be one of those players this could be ugly for us...

Damn... that's about as bad of news as we can get. I guess this won't be the year we see competent line play throughout the season...

I don't mind that assessment of Ryan. It actually leads into one of the things I think is most impressive about the guy. He came in raw with...

The problem with the Suh signing was that he wasn't the last piece we needed to get us over the top, instead he was brought in to fix all of our...

Throwing an interception is going to happen to all QBs in the NFL. To paint it as anything more then a bad throw on week 1 football is a little...

I admit the run defense is suspect going into the year, but honestly with our youth, we aren't going to know what we have till about week 5. If...

I'm guessing my tone must have come off wrong. I didn't think I was trying to brow beat my points into the general populace of the forums. I...

In your response to me you somehow left out the ONLY part of the situation that I take issue with. If you gave up a 3rd rd pick for a 3rd rd pick...

I don't think so. We gave up a 3rd, 4th, and a 6th to take him in the 3rd. So far he hasn't even proven to be worth the 6th. This is a perfect...

What I'm seeing on the field and what I'm hearing from the coach doesn't add up. Gase said he thought the O-line was going to be a strength on...

Should be fun to watch. I'm hoping this look shows us a couple of wrinkles we can exploit come the regular season.

Yeah I didn't want him for anywhere near the money he was asking for. I had a sick feeling in my gut when I thought the team was going to offer...

I see this one differently. I'm not going to blame the WR who is paid to catch the ball, for catching the ball. If you believe he was being...

Any chance Tannehill can get some of that 'benefit of the doubt" you are applying to Landry? :p

Felt like we heard this a lot when Suh was here. Then we would push into the season with a bad O-line and a disappointing D-line. I really...

I've always considered the QB rating to be specific to passing ability, and I'm fine with that metric. If you believe that your QB made the right...

Ok that makes sense to me. I probably got off the weeds a little on the conversation.

Are X&Os cut and dry factual though? I'm not attempting to be argumentative, but with the new concepts of how the game is played there is a lot...

Hey Aroders12, ready doesn't describe it. After feeling like our season got robbed from us before it even began last year, I'm practically...

I think he will do well in Cleveland, but I don't think they are getting what they expect. He isn't going to become a dominant force on their...

Great assessment. We need to be pleasantly surprised by at least 2 of the 3 "uncertain" positions for us to really compete this year. If we get...

Yeah pretty much this. He is a one trick pony. Now that trick is really really good, but in the long run he isn't the guy you can build a...

Rhetorical

We agree on that. I'm just saying I don't see it as likely that we try to get a contract done if we believe him to be a locker room cancer. He...

I agree with your points, its why I never wanted to pay him big money. I do think he is possibly one of the better slot receivers in the league...

When has any player ever gone to a new team and talked about how much better he had it on his previous team? Landry is doing what every player...

Right, but if they were still here would they be getting described as "fiery competitor" vs "diva"? The whole thing is a little comical to me,...

I understand not wanting to be "that type" of fan. I hated the Cutler deal, but I didn't want to bad mouth the guy before he even took a snap as...

I would hope this is true with all negotiations and not unique just to Landry. I don't have any insider information, but I would assume that we...

Most of it was behind closed doors, but I assumed that with how long the negotiation went, and the fact that in the end we actually used the...

I agree, those that were critical of them before their departure has every right to be critical after. I'm also ok with pointing out reasons we...

Sometimes I think this stuff gets blown out of proportion. If Landry was still here his attitude would be considered a winner's personality, or...

I'm all for a hybrid approach that makes it safer. I was just pointing out the reasons (in my opinion) for the different tackle philosophy.

Oh don't get me wrong I loved playing rugby and have nothing but respect for the sport. I'm just pointing out the slight difference in the game...

The problem with a rugby tackle is that it isn't designed to stop momentum, its just designed to get the runner to the ground. When you are...

Bringing down the hype around him couldn't hurt. I don't really want to hear stories about his "potential" anymore, I just want him to go out and...

I would agree with this if we were a consistent contender. When we are consistently a bad team it means some/most of our starters are bad....

Yeah that's a good point. No matter how you look at it, there has to be a takeaway that we saw something from this last year that Gase just was...

What??? a guy going to a new team begins to gush about new teammates... wow that never happens... except for literally every other time a guy goes...

All of our moves were "pulling off the band aid" moments. Painful, but needed to be done. I'm not sure that we are going to be able to fill all...

I agree from the outside looking in, it never made much sense. However, these players aren't suckers falling for the same con game year after...

Its still possible that they go that route. I'm just saying that it feels like its less likely now. At the very least making an effort to move...

That's what I would assume as well. This is a move that seems like it locks Tannehill into starting position for a couple of years. Which makes...

Did it ever materialize as a strength? They were always described as a high potential WR core. But that seemed like it mostly hinged on Parker...

I doubt it. He is still considered one of the best DTs in the game. So he will jump right into another giant contract while taking all of the...

I'm still of the belief that you eat the hit this year, then release next year when its not as much dead money. I like Suh, its just not possible...

Are you sure about your comment in bold? From outside looking in it seemed like there was a ton of frustration because players could not get on...

That's the issue. there isn't a deal. All you have is a player that is franchise tagged for 16 million for the 1 year. He has to agree to any...

If you wanted good compensation for Landry you would have needed to trade him with something left on his rookie contract. I can't imagine another...

I've been overall unhappy with our drafting till last year. I actually felt like we walked away last year with some good talent and immediate...

Well to be fair, if we avoided approaches that haven't worked for us in the past, we wouldn't have any options left open to us. We failed at...

Honestly I don't think I could care less. Two grown men wanting to have a beef with each other... Jay didn't say anything about the fans/team, so...

Dolphins will keep him this next year, then the contract gives them an out. Suh or any other DT to ever play the game isn't worth the money he is...

I didn't mean for that to come across as an accusation at all. I have watched the back and forth with Resnor you and Fin-O several times, and I...

Sooo I'm a big Tannehill fan, but I don't think the type of proof that is being asked for is realistic, or necessary. Fin-O can make an...

Unless of course someone is offering a big trade to get that spot. If we can get 2 solid starters, I would take that all day long over QB competition.

I assume the meat of the story is true. Just not sure that this 1 event equals a "rift" between the three of them. Now if Brady takes a hit that...

Maybe the organization knew something we didn't. Not paying Landry early is looking like the right call. I would still want him back, but after...

I got to agree with Fin D on this one. He pretty much throws his argument out the window when he says Tannehill hasn't grown. Its fine if your...

I might not have been privy to the start of the feud, but there was a pretty clear effort to drag you down into the mud the last couple of months,...

I think he is just young, and he let the negativity and bad season drag him down a bit. I had a couple good back and forth posts with him before...

Yep that's my concern. I'm not sure I trust our FO. They are starting to find their feet with finding some gems in the later rounds and working...

I agree, I feel like Cleveland has a lot of self inflicted wounds. But, the general approach they have taken is not unlike what has been...

If Tannehill comes in and plays as bad as Cutler, then there is no excuse for it. If he comes in and things straighten out and we are a...

So the Browns avoid QBs like the plague? 2017 rd 2 Deshone Kizer 2016 rd 3 Cody Kessler 2015 none 2014 rd 1 Johnny Manziel 2013 none 2012 rd...

Look at the top 10 QB ratings over the last 3 years. You will see a lot of QBs aren't "consistent" top 10. So even if Tannehill was performing...

okay now I'm convinced you are just trolling.

We also need to look at WR again. Landry and Stills are great, but they are both complimentary WRs. We would benefit having the WR we thought...

Good question on where we need to improve. O-line is the easy pick. LB core is difficult cause we never got to see what McMilan could do. We...

So how many of those elite guys are there? I would argue that as of right now there are probably 3 guys that can actually mask major holes in...

I'm not making an argument for Tannehill being a top 10 QB. I was pointing out that the stats provided are exactly what you were asking for...

That's a pretty weak argument to dismiss the stats. He threw enough to be statistically relevant. Why would you take away Ajayi? Are you going...

I'm a big Tannehill guy, but I still think if you get a chance at someone that might be special at QB, you pull that trigger. However, while we...

Yeah, I had hoped they would have tried to lock Landry up before the others looked this bad. It would have given Miami a little bit more...

Remember there are 2 sides arguing the contract. You will not get low year 1 and 2, low signing bonus and low guaranteed money. You are NEVER...

I get your frustration, however, context is important when looking at Gase in this scenario. Last year, with a new coach, and an entire team...

I don't understand the "more of the same" argument. Every time you get a new coach, new GM, and new defensive and offensive Coordinators, isn't...

Sooooo before this gets going again how about we just end it now? I have no idea why you guys have this feud going but for all the other forum...

13 Mil/yr seems high to me. Jarvis is a great player, but the offense isn't built off him. He is that perfect complement to other pieces. I hope...

I don't think he is the first guy they look at to go deep, but he is the first guy they look at when they are looking for the quick short yardage....

Yeah, but that was before things were situated. I agree that seemed to light a fire under him, but during that time none of the other RBs really...

I actually would have liked to see how it would have played out as well. Bench Jay, have Drake start blowing up while running the same plays Jay...

The only way he will restructure his deal is if you are giving him more guaranteed money. You might gain cap space this year, but you will have...

The first time you and I really interacted on a post, was one where you gave your opinion on Tannehill. Your stance was "Hey I'm a big fan,...

I was mistaken.. you are already in need of suicide watch. Here is what you aren't getting, most of your ideas aren't attainable. They might...

Wait... What??? Who do you think is going to blow up if we don't make it? Its not going to be the people that have been even handed with their...

Having Rodgers back is great, When the Dolphins are having a rough year there are only a handful of players that I still enjoy watching. Rodgers...

We stick to the plan at QB. This game was awesome! Cutler looked like an elite QB in it. However, this is Cutler's m.o. When Cutler was...

We aren't in a position that we can cut off avenues to get better. We need FAs and solid drafts, to get us to a solid roster. Once we have a...

I agree it will take a few years to know what we have. But when you look at snap counts I think he is struggling to have an impact this year....

Not taking a side on the debate, but I want more then this from a 1st rd pick. Honestly, if he has this exact season next year are we okay with...

At this point if you are afraid to put them on the field they probably shouldn't be holding a roster spot.

I'm completely confused now. What is your end game with Eli? Are you looking at going for Eli as a replacement for Tannehill? If so why?...

Even the article states this only makes sense IF there is a Tannehill injury/setback. So we should trade for a more expensive QB to be there just...

Soooo are you saying Gase is better then Walsh cause he did better with his first 2 years when he was "stuck" with Tannehill? See what I did...

This is why using a small sample size distorts perception. Sometimes a run is testing weakness/strength of the other team, attacking from a...

Not sure if my post might have been misleading. I meant had Tannehill played each game we would have been competing. My bad if that didn't come...

I think we are competing in each game. I don't know that 1 player in or out can guarantee a win, even Aaron Rodgers loses games that on paper he...

LOL well... I think we each have to find our own way to figure that out. For me, as I pointed out, I actually thought we had a good draft and an...

Maybe, but honestly I haven't been impressed with Tannenbaum's decisions at the time he has made a lot of them. If I'm seeing it this way, and I...

These things I could honestly take part in the discussion. THIS should have been your post. The comparison of Cam vs Gase... I can't even get my...

I didn't mean that the stats were wrong, I mean that any context of the 2 situations makes the comparison... well... there actually isn't a...

Come on man... This isn't a serious topic right? There is no way you actually believe this is a real bullet point?

Sorry but this line of thinking is flawed when a RB is only getting 5 or 6 carries a game. You can't eliminate 1 carry cause that's a high...

Eli is considerably more expensive then Ryan is this coming year, and might actually be a downgrade in talent. I like Eli, I will never say a bad...

Actually cutting all those players SCREAMS rebuild. Brees isn't going to end his career coming to a team rebuilding. He is going to want to win...

My guess is you won't get anything with Suh in the deal. His contract will make him undesirable. RT and Parker? I honestly think you would get...

This whole thing seems like a slow news day in Philly. He didn't say anything wrong, coach confirms he isn't doing anything wrong. Somebody felt...

That's true, Elliott hurt a lot as well, and I didn't mean to minimize the impact Elliott had on the game. My point mainly is that a QB needs...

This is what distinguishes elite from the rest... until it isn't. This isn't so much directed at you Dirty as the general approach to make...

I completely agree on the O-line, but when we are below the average ranking, AND the average o-line is worse then it use to be... well that's just...

I guess my point is you can't really have it both ways. You can't say Tannehill should have shown us more, then want all of the team around him...

Honestly, I'm not getting the jump in logic here. The only thing this year SHOULD prove to anyone, is that we have been handcuffing Tannehill to...

4 million savings isn't enough. I hated this deal when we signed it, and I have hated it every second we have had to pay it. However, we still...

I agree with the trade being a bad decision for the coach, however, I do give Gase some slack. He didn't come into a great situation, truth is...

I suspect it will be mixed reviews at best. I think the thing to remember is all of these back up running backs were here already. Nobody made...

might be a small difference, but had he benched him 3 or 4 weeks ago, I wouldn't have had any problems with any of this. Even if it led to the...

That's fair. Maybe I expect too much that a coach and his staff should be able to catch warning signs about their players. I'm not turning on...

I'm not sure that its obviously false. I'm also not stating that its unequivocally true. I'm saying that his sudden release hints at that Gase...

yeah, and maybe this trade turns out great for the Dolphins, and that trade turns out horrible for NE, or vice versa... My concern is more with...

Yeah I had high expectations with Tannehill in, and had very low expectations when they lost him. I did not get into the hype of Cutler, or...

I'm strongly in the give Gase a chance camp, but this trade is troubling to me. No matter how I look at this it isn't a good look for our HC....

We are looking at this all wrong... Gase just made it so we won't be seeing 8 men in the box defense anymore... brilliant strategy!

wow... did not expect that.

If you are going for a top draft choice QB then you have to send a ton of draft picks away to get the chance to get him. So you destroy your...

Honestly, I don't want any half measures, if the organization decides that Tannehill is not the guy, then trade him away and get what you can for...

One MAJOR problem with this. When they had Ryan on his rookie contract they still couldn't keep him upright and honestly, with the hits he took...

I can't imagine he goes until the cost hit is something we can absorb. I wasn't a big fan of the Suh deal when we brought him in, not cause I...

I don't understand why we keep building up these high expectations for a Cutler/Moore ran offense. With Tannehill out we are a struggling...

Not a fan of this move. We need depth in the secondary and he was already paid for. He had the potential to come on the field fresh in the 2nd...

I love how this defense is playing. They are aggressive, always flowing to the ball, and making solid tackles. I'm willing to say they have the...

I'm honestly curious, I know you are a big Landry fan. What is the price tag you think we should offer Landry? And if he said no to that would...

There is 1 sure way to shut all of the fans/commentators up. Go out and play better on offense. They have 1 job, and act like we are being...

Well that doesn't sound that bad. I assume he would say no, but if all we are doing is offering league minimum take it or leave it... then I...

If our WR don't play hard because of the current QB then every one of them needs to be cut and we need to rebuild the unit. If our O-line isn't...

It might have been interesting to see what he would have done IF he had been signed instead of Jay. But I don't think you take on another large...

Fair enough, but I don't think its a coincidence that Ryan's best years came at the same time as their best offensive line ratings (minus first...

The picture gets a little more clear when you throw in pass protection rankings. (rankings by football outsiders) CHI rank QBR Mia...

I like Harbaugh, I'm just not off the Gase bandwagon yet...

So to be fair, Ricky is right about a lot of people on this site believing that Jay was going to be as good or better. I have a feeling that...

Its not a popular view, but Gase is going to get a pass from me this year, unless he does something that is just godawful. I did not buy into the...

I remember when Jimmy Johnson had that Dave Wannstedt game back in 89 for Dallas. 1st game of the season and come out and lose 28 to 0. How does...

Our WRs have "potential" and in reality potential isn't the same as proven talent.

Jay looked bad, maybe he shouldn't be talking about anything but his own game at this point... I'm willing to entertain the idea that other parts...

I don't think anyone could say with confidence that Tannehill would have won the game. I think he would have played better. Sometimes that can...

I really want to see that too, a strong pass rush can cover a lot of holes. But I'm not sure our LBs are good enough to let our ends push up....

We expect unparalleled professionalism, because he has shown that through out his career. If this was a problem player, I would completely...

I agree its not about the greed. I also get the frustration, we give up a home game while we are constantly chasing NE in our division. If we...

If that was a benefit it seems like that would, at best, cancel out the fact that our starters haven't seen game style action since week 3 of...

Yeah but there were some throws where he was jumpy and the pressure wasn't really near him. I agree if you start hitting him he had a tendency to...

Unlike most Patriot games that was fun to watch. Something is clearly not clicking with Brady. Early on he was getting tons of time and still...

Keep the classy comments coming, way ahead of schedule here on all this class.

Meanwhile sweeping generalizations always have that feel of class to them... oh... wait....

I would assume any team for any player would "listen" to trade offers. You never know when someone is going to throw you an offer you can't say...

1. We win time of possession in our 1st 5 games. 2. Defense plays at or near top 10 level 3. Our offense gets compared favorably to the Falcons...

I honestly don't think a lot of the "experts" do a deep dive on teams. Miami is stacking up nicely to be the dark horse for the season, but that...

I completely agree that would be amazing for the defense. And maybe I'm not giving the DT enough credit here. Usually I think probowl DT and we...

I completely agree now, I haven't really felt that way in the past though. This year is going to prove a lot. He needs to start fast, my...

He held on to Ireland too long, his decisions with Philbin left me scratching my head. However, its a business and mistakes are always going to...

There were times last year where I felt like our D-line didn't play great, but they played good enough, and gave our Linebackers a chance to make...

I'm not taking sides, because I agree you can end a game this way, I would also agree to finish if the person I was playing said we had to finish...

LOL well if you were playing against me yes you can win in less then 4 moves. but I'm a rebel that way...

Again I'm really not taking sides. I believe a resign from connect four is a legit way to end the game. But a key element that is being...

Actually I would say you are both right... because this is a made up game, you technically can only win by doing EXACTLY as the game defines...

I don't know, sometimes the great players are just more gifted, and don't really have more knowledge to pass on. I wouldn't want someone to help...

I don't get it. I'm not trying to pick apart your post, but how can you claim to be a Huge fan, and then pretty much claim he is dirt at the QB...

Well that is very true. Its more of a "Whoever has the ball last" with a added "with enough time to actually score" scenario. I remember us...

Well that's why I said Devil's advocate. I wasn't actually saying Tannehill was better, just that for the math to add up, Tannehill is better in...

Well to be fair he is actually saying when in a very specific environment (playing for the Dolphins) QB doesn't matter. I do think Brady would...

So playing Devil's advocate here. If Andrew Luck is that much better in the 4th quarter, but overall total, they are close to the same, doesn't...

I gave it a D+ based on what that draft potentially cost us in this draft as well. I didn't like the Carroo trade. I really didn't like it then,...

I loved the positions we targeted, but I did question some of the talent we left on the board at the picks. I would still give us a strong B to...

1. We thought our O-line would be better. 2. We thought our O-line would be better. 3. We thought our O-line would be better. ... wait are we...

There is the argument that a guard would actually see more plays then many of the other picks we would go with. A DE even an elite one, is...

I don't see anyway to say it better then danmarino just did. When someone says you spent 4 picks, I would assume that means that we spent value...

I'm sure they didn't want to go too deep in the playbook, but this approach only works if we win. And honestly it got a little too close to not...

I could not agree more. What you are seeing with the supporting cast out there is why we didn't have a chance of landing Manning a few years ago....

I don't think we drafted a QB in the first round in the last 15 years. I think that puts us in new territory. But even if it doesn't is there...

I don't know, I guess I have a different take on our QB situation. Year 1 - Every analyst out there said he was a project and not NFL ready....