01/13 Shrine Practices: Tuesday
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Some interesting notes from todays report.
http://tfydraft.com/news.php?newsID=446
Fenuki Tupou/Oregon
Tupou looked good at left tackle, displaying solid feet and movement skills. The best part about his game is scouts feel Tupou has the potential to play a number of blocking positions including right tackle or guard.
Versatility to play several positions along the line will be really important to the head office. Tupou was considered a 3rd to 4th round pick in the previous updates I have seen.
Sebastian Vollmer/Houston
Vollmer was a late addition to the roster and is making the most of his opportunity. He's a big man at almost 6-feet 8-inches yet moves very well, looks athletic on the field and bends his knees then blocks with balance. The German born prospect is still relatively raw but can play at the next level. He's elevated his draft stock several rounds the past two days.
Know nothing about this guy since I have not seen any of Houstons games this year. Nice size, Con have you seen any footage of him?
Defensive Line
Hands down Gilbert has been the class of the field from both squads. He was killing guys all afternoon as his talent level superceded that of any other player on either team. There's no doubt Gilbert has improved his draft stock in the early going- it'll be interesting to see if they squeeze him into next weeks Senior Bowl.
Spartans moved him inside to play DT this year, too light in the pants @ 6'5" and 240 lbs. to play there in the NFL. Maybe another name to add to the OLB conversion list?
"Conuficus wrote:
Yes I do have some Houston games.
Vollmer a late round sleeper at OT? Nice size and I like the notes on his athleticism.
Conuficusluxury_boxYeah he could be. He does show up on tape. He has some long arms on him IIRC. I do wonder if he can handle the left side full time. But if he has gone against Phillip Hunt on a regular basis he should be able to handle speed.
I guy I like at OT is William Beatty from UCONN. That guy looks like another Donald Thomas; the sleeper people aren't talking about.
"Conuficus wrote:
Yeah he could be. He does show up on tape. He has some long arms on him IIRC. I do wonder if he can handle the left side full time. But if he has gone against Phillip Hunt on a regular basis he should be able to handle speed.
I guy I like at OT is William Beatty from UCONN. That guy looks like another Donald Thomas; the sleeper people aren't talking about.
Yeah, I remember you and Alen going back and forth on Beatty. One question I have been wondering. Is there anyway for a scout to pickup and determine a linemans natural strength ala Donald Thomas? Weight room strength is one thing, but being naturally strong and heavy is a whole new ball game.
Conuficusluxury_boxTo me I always look at what he does when he plays. There are plenty of guys who can bench a house, but can't redirect their man at all. I look more for a power clean number to be honest, more football related in my mind anyways.
Take Fili Moala for instance. How many times has anyone seen this guy bull rush an O-lineman. How many times does he get pushed wide of the play, unable to plant his outside foot, create a leverage point and move back through the O-lineman to the ball? Now I ask the same of a Peria Jerry. A players strength shows up on film. As they always say, the eye in the sky don't lie.
In an O-linemen I look for him to jolt a defender. In Thomas' case, you routinely see him jolt defenders, either slowing or stopping their forward momentum. Thats his strength right there, on display for all to see. In terms of quantifiable numbers those mean only so much in terms of bench as I said. I still really go on what I see when I watch these games, right or wrong thats what I personally do. I also look for the speed at which they fire off the line. Andre Smith is a classic example of this. He is routinely the slowest off the LOS amongst Bama's O-lineman. A great deal of power comes from speed too. There are a few things I watch.
But technique can't be overlooked either. If the guy plays too tall, it doesn't matter if he is Hercules reincarnate, he'll get his ass handed to him more often than not. Strength isn't always about weight, but that does play a role.
Boomerluxury_boxNice to see Ray Feinga playing well.
I am the sweat not the swagger.
Conuficusluxury_box"Boomer wrote:
Nice to see Ray Feinga playing well.
Well seeing as you have a thing for him:lol: I didn't doubt he would.
Boomerluxury_boxHe's not even playing, I just thought I'd big him up.
I am the sweat not the swagger.
Conuficusluxury_box"Boomer wrote:
He's not even playing, I just thought I'd big him up.
Why do I fall for this everytime?
"Conuficus wrote:
To me I always look at what he does when he plays. There are plenty of guys who can bench a house, but can't redirect their man at all. I look more for a power clean number to be honest, more football related in my mind anyways.
Take Fili Moala for instance. How many times has anyone seen this guy bull rush an O-lineman. How many times does he get pushed wide of the play, unable to plant his outside foot, create a leverage point and move back through the O-lineman to the ball? Now I ask the same of a Peria Jerry. A players strength shows up on film. As they always say, the eye in the sky don't lie.
In an O-linemen I look for him to jolt a defender. In Thomas' case, you routinely see him jolt defenders, either slowing or stopping their forward momentum. Thats his strength right there, on display for all to see. In terms of quantifiable numbers those mean only so much in terms of bench as I said. I still really go on what I see when I watch these games, right or wrong thats what I personally do. I also look for the speed at which they fire off the line. Andre Smith is a classic example of this. He is routinely the slowest off the LOS amongst Bama's O-lineman. A great deal of power comes from speed too. There are a few things I watch.
But technique can't be overlooked either. If the guy plays too tall, it doesn't matter if he is Hercules reincarnate, he'll get his ass handed to him more often than not. Strength isn't always about weight, but that does play a role.
In that case I guess guys like Trevor Canfield, Max Unger and Craig Urbrick would fit the bill.
"Conuficus wrote:
Why do I fall for this everytime?
Ha Ha LMAO.
Has it been confirmed whether or not Feinga is playing in the Senior Bowl?
Boomerluxury_box"Conuficus wrote:
Why do I fall for this everytime?
LOL. Actually he is playing but I never saw a joke I didn't like!
I am the sweat not the swagger.
Conuficusluxury_box"joeydolfan wrote:
In that case I guess guys like Trevor Canfield, Max Unger and Craig Urbrick would fit the bill.
Ubrick I really like, his sidekick Andy Kemp isn't bad either.
Unger has been noticed before, and Canfield would actually fit the mold size wise that we have seemed to go after recently.
Conuficusluxury_box"Boomer wrote:
LOL. Actually he is playing but I never saw a joke I didn't like!
Nor a poor, unsuspecting islander to play a trick on either. :shifty:
Dam English sovereigns.........this Dependent Territory stuff is driving me nuts.
Boomerluxury_box"Conuficus wrote:
Ubrick I really like, his sidekick Andy Kemp isn't bad either.
Unger has been noticed before, and Canfield would actually fit the mold size wise that we have seemed to go after recently.
Urbick's a good player. Gets some decent push at the LOS and is pretty adept at walling defensive linemen off and clearing holes.
I am the sweat not the swagger.
"Conuficus wrote:
Ubrick I really like, his sidekick Andy Kemp isn't bad either.
Unger has been noticed before, and Canfield would actually fit the mold size wise that we have seemed to go after recently.
Watched Canfield in the Bowl game and cam away with a few things I did not like and a lot of things I really liked. He is very aggressive, almost too much sometimes as it can get him out of position by lunging a bit. But man, when he gets on a defender he relentlessly rides him until the whistle.
Boomerluxury_box"Conuficus wrote:
Nor a poor, unsuspecting islander to play a trick on either. :shifty:
Dam English sovereigns.........this Dependent Territory stuff is driving me nuts.
Know your place fella.
I am the sweat not the swagger.
padre31luxury_boxAnyone think we bring in a new long snapper like Sundeberg from Cal?
Conuficusluxury_box"Boomer wrote:
Know your place fella.
The people are revolting!
And no, they don't need plastic surgery.
Cornerback Glover Quin of New Mexico has been brought in to replace Darcel McBath and and will play safety. They are now looking for another replacement at safety.
As was thought with Quin and Wright, they're working out as Safeties as well.
ckparrotheadmoderatorIf Brian Hoyer is the best quarterback at Shrine practices, then there isn't a single quarterback there worth a damn.
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Conuficusluxury_boxI just wish we could see the practice this week. Next week will be a lot of fun thats for sure.
ckparrotheadmoderatorMay sound extreme but I could see Jarron Gilbert sneaking into the first round.
He's 6'5" and 287 pounds, his arms measured out at just under 36 inches. He had 22.0 tackles for loss as a defensive tackle at San Jose State this season alone, which included 9.5 sacks. He's got 21.5 career sacks, 42.0 career tackles for loss, has batted down 15 passes...and he's out there dominating people in All Star practices.
He'd make a fine 3-4 DE. Wonder if our guys would draft him and then tell Merling to lose some weight...
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schmoliootsubscriberIs Chase Daniel doing anything at these practices?
I know that he's a marginal prospect but I've always liked the guy.
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