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10 guys who suck! Volume 1

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by GISH, Sep 18, 2008.

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  1. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    1. Andre Goodman - He is getting eaten alive, and we dont stand a chance with him playing like that.

    2. Jason Allen - The fact that he hasn't emerged yet is bad for us. He's in his third season and has fallen to 3rd on the depth chart. The next step is the street.

    3. Ted Ginn Jr. - Ok. It's year two. Something strange is going on between Ginn and the coaching staff. Soon we will know whether Ginn has what it takes. He will either come away from this a superstar, or a K-Mart bagger.

    4. Chris Crocker - If this is the guy that looked the best in training camp, that scares the hell out of me. He has been burnt to a crisp in 2 weeks, and lost his job. Thats unacceptable!!

    5. Ricky Williams - Where is Ricky? Where is the guy we saw 3 weeks ago? He needs to step it up so we won't have to continue to risk Ronnie.

    6. Earnest Wilford - This guy is a walking disaster. You could probably give him wings and fishing nets for hands, and he would still manage to be invisible on gameday. Did we pay this guy millions just to ride the pine?

    7. Joey Porter - Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. The talk is old, time to start walkin.

    8. John Beck - It's a very bad sign for Beck when the coach is sending in young QBs late in the game to get reps, and his name isn't even in the conversation. Beck officially has the toughest hill to climb of any QB in the NFL. His age is going to limit his interest from other teams. He needs to make a huge splash somewhere quickly, and it doesn't look like thats gonna happen any time soon.

    9. Derek Hagan - He has a lot of good play on his practice resume. He needs some more great play on game day. I think he played well as a starter, but he needs to be doing more.

    10. Matt Cassel - That's right. Matt Cassel sucks, but not as bad as the nine guys ahead of him on this list. Let's not forget that.
     
  2. The Aqua Crush

    The Aqua Crush New Member

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    goodman should have a category of all time suck to himself. But well put together list Gish, i couldn't agree more.
     
  3. Lab3003

    Lab3003 Golden era

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    awesome sig gish
     
  4. azfinfanmang

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    Very well done GISH.

    I still say:
    Unless we see some SERIOUS turnaround in the next 2 games, Ginn will be gone before game 5.
     
  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Line still needs to block for Ricky. He hasn't exactly had much room to move
     
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  6. azfinfanmang

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    Yep, I missed him on the list.

    He has been fighting every given chance, he just hasnt had many chances.


    Ricky doesnt belong on that list IMO
     
  7. Georgia Fin

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    Well if just 10 guys on the team suck right now that's still a vast improvement over last years roster.
     
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  8. The Aqua Crush

    The Aqua Crush New Member

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    I think we need to throw early and often. Teams are loading up the lines to stop our run, giving no respect early in games (first couple drives) and ronnie and ricky haven't had much of a chance.

    If Pennington and the staff can get some throws complete early, pull the defenses back then run later in drives they should find more success on the ground. They need to counter what teams have had success doing against us so far
     
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  9. azfinfanmang

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    You have a valid point, only problem is we have 3 guys on the team right now that can actually catch a pass.

    Anthony Fasono
    Ricky Williams
    Ronnie Brown
     
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  10. Larry Little

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    I agree. The reason for our so-far ineffective running game isn't Ricky Williams, and it isn't Ronnie Brown. The O-linemen need to create a little space for those guys to run. So far, they haven't done a very good job at all.

    Granted, teams are stacking the box and blitzing like crazy because we can't seem to throw the ball downfield... and we're running mostly out of a 2-TE set with no fullback, which is historically ineffective... but, the front 6 or 7 guys still need to get the job done. They're getting pushed around by the defensive front 7. our OL'men were doing the pushing in the preseason. What gives, guys?
     
  11. RevRick

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    Got to think that Ricky really doesn't belong on that list - yet. If the current trend continues when this O-line comes together, then I would agree. But, this line has played for exactly 4 quarters in its current grouping, and that grouping is likely to change again this week.

    Additionally, if the Dolphins have that much "sucktitude" about them, they owe it to their fans and neighbors to stop. That might be why there has been so much tropical weather activity thereabouts.
     
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  12. WharfRat

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    Add Davone Bess to those 3... and ... yep...that about covers it. :pity:
     
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  13. NJFINSFAN1

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    Yep, you might as well put Brown on it than also, the o-line has been plain bad!
     
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  14. djphinfan

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    gish is right about ricky imo....i dont see the aggressiveness i saw in preseason..it better not be because of the contract he signed.
     
  15. GARDENHEAD

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    Ricky belongs on the suck list for sure.

    He's done nothing so far this year.
     
  16. jdang307

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    Ronnie Brown - 2.8 ypc
    Ricky Williams - 2.5 ypc

    Not much difference.
     
  17. Stitches

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    Beck was emergency QB, it'd be tough for him to get in late when he likely got no work for our offense during the week.
     
  18. PhinishLine

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    You don't cut Top 10 picks in their second year, unless there is a serious deal on the table.
     
  19. Big E

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    amazing..all these guys are Dolphin players.....:lol:

    Cept Cassel of course.
     
  20. texasPHINSfan

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    if ricky was sucking but ronnie was excelling, i'd say it was ricky's fault... but the fact that everyone's ypc is under 3 yards just shows it is the o-line not doing its job. take ricky's spot on gish's list and give it to the o-line.

    i gave you thanks on that post also because of your sig gish... love it! :knucks: :)
     
  21. The Aqua Crush

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    Its no wonder teams don't respect our passing game :pity: and for once it has nothing to do with the QB.
     
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  22. m ino

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    it's kinda hard for ginn to turn things around when he is sitting on the bench during k/p returns(granted he had the 2 drops the first game but it was the first game). and it is kinda hard to catch a pass when the qb never looks your way.
     
  23. Eop05

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    That can't be entirely true. I doubt very much that very many defensive backfields respect Chad Pennington.

    With Virtually no chance of generating a big play why would they
     
  24. Big E

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    If you're not getting open you wont get the ball. The recievers are taking too long to get open. And his route running has been questionable for awhile now anyways, and the QBs know that. So if the line isnt capable of stopping the rush Pennington is not going to wait for Ginn to get open, however long that takes. He's going to dump it off to the TE of the back. Remember the coaches said from day one we would be a run team first. The problem is at 2 ypc, you cant afford to be just a run team.
     
  25. jdang307

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    "Hey guys, let the WRs have the outside and deep. Lock down the middle. We'll be fine."
     
  26. texasPHINSfan

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    i disagree. Chad has one of the league's highest completion percentages at 65.3%, with a career average completion of over 10 yards per... that's worth respect in my book. :up:

    for reference:
    Chad Pennington Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

    and if you want to talk about long completions....
    longest completion in
    2002: 47 yards
    2003: 65 yards
    2004: 48 yards
    2005: 37 yards
    2006: 71 yards
    2007: 57 yards

    so yeah, he doesn't have a cannon, but longer plays are certainly made.... of course a lot of that is attributable to receivers that can catch, and also run after catching instead of falling down or going out of bounds. :up:
     
  27. jdang307

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    You're looking at yards per completion. You have to look at yards per attempt. It's not pretty.
     
  28. texasPHINSfan

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    that is a BS statistic IMO that just makes for internet discussion... has no bearing on the actual game or even our discussion here.

    yards per completion are actual yards gained on actual throws.... per "attempt" divides that by attempts, which counts a big fat "0" yards for passes that weren't completed. what does that tell you? nothing really. the completion percentage for passing is what you use to determine how often there is success on pass plays. yards per completion gives you a good gauge of how many yards (on average) are gained on each successful pass play.

    why would you rate unsuccessful pass plays when gauging completions? makes no sense to me, just adds zeros to a bunch of otherwise successful pass plays.
     
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  29. jdang307

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    QB comes in. Goes 5 for 15. 60 yards. That's a ypc of 12. Now you have to go look at accuracy to get the accurate picture.

    I'm not making it up. BS statistic? Are you sure? It's a standard measure for QBs. One of them at least.

    Why woudl I rate unsuccessful plays? How about we take out all running back runs of 0 or negative as well?

    Damnit Tex, I swear I'm not following you around though, just a slow time at work I swear, no hard feelings!
     
  30. GISH

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    If Ricky was averaging more than 2.5 ypc, then Ronnie wouldn't need to see the field. I don't care what Ronnie's ypc is, because he shouldn't be our primary runner anyway. Ricky needs to start finding holes and dig into them. Oline is a weak excuse. Ricky got 1853 behind a line that was lesser than what we have now.
     
  31. azfinfanmang

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    Or if they spend the entire time on the bench

    He wasnt Parcells/Ireland's/Sparano's first round pick. I dont think they really give a rats-behind where he was picked. IF he doesnt start shining soon, I think they ship him for the best pick offered.
     
  32. texasPHINSfan

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    i think satele is actually good, but he's having a bad year thus far... is it coaching? development? what? a lot of players from the previous regime seem to be faltering in this new regime... and i'm actually starting to think it isn't the players, but the regime not coaching or what have you.

    satele, ginn, fields, allen, goodman, etc... these are all guys that played significantly better last year... they didn't just all start sucking. there has to be a reason, and i'm betting it has something to do with this new administration/coaching staff.
     
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  33. jdang307

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    Agreed 100%. I've been leary of the moves so far before the season even started. Some real headscratchers, but believe we say. Believe!

    Then AZ game came around.
     
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  34. Big E

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    Sparano is an Offensive line Guru though.....thats what boggles me...
     
  35. jdang307

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    Cameron was a QB guru and he mucked things about pretty good there when he got here.

    When a guru becomes a head coach, throw out the guru stuff. In fact reverse it! Dungy and Marvin Lewis teams have been marked with bad defenses lately.
     
  36. m ino

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    if he is not getting open against the number # corner i would think our coach would have the smarts and alls to move him to the slot or the other side not just bench the guy because he couldn't get open on a pretty darn good corner in one game..that falls into the adjustment category..you have to adjust your personnel to find what works against that particular team on that particular day. what you don't do is give up on one of the only players with potential on your offense or cut a guy because he didn't have a extremely productive game. boomer grigsby for example was a shock to me when they cut him.
    at that rate we will have 52 new players by week 6 and another crop bye week 11. you just can't build chemistry and cohesiveness like that and it is hurting our team more than they realize. but if they feel ginn is not good enough after one game then cut him already or trade him and get someone else in don't leave him on the bench taking up a roster spot.
     
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  37. Big E

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    I agree, but both teams we have played have had solid secondary's. More so the Jets.
     
  38. texasPHINSfan

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    that's exactly how i saw it as well. i was believing until the AZ game. right now my faith in this regime is very low. it would take a serious improvement (not necessarily in wins, but in effort & performance) in the next couple of games to restore my faith.

    forgive me, but my faith is on a VERY short leash with so many regimes each year....
     
  39. jdang307

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    Friday night, saturday, and sunday morning is for believing. I truly believe we have a chance to win, I've seen a crappy team beat an undefeated Chicago team badly. Each week I believe that.

    But since our blanking of New England 21-0 two years ago, it's only been once. Doubt and self-pity from Sunday to Friday :D
     
  40. GISH

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    Im expecting Fasano to get a lot of looks in this one. I'd venture to say that Ronnie will get a few looks in the passing game as well. I expect Ricky to get snuffed.
     

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