2008 Mets!!! LETS GO METS!!!

"Roman529 wrote:

Best comeback of the year today by the PHILLIES.

They blew a 3-0 lead on the Braves and gave up 9 runs in the 4th.

Then the Phils come back with 7 runs and win it 10-9. :tongue2:

Welcome back Mike Hampton. how are those school systems working out for you? :lol:

And oh yeah, nice job by the phils. Give credit even though I cant stand them.

Look out for the Rockies. Damn, they are playing unreal.

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

What the heck has happened to Sanchez????????????????????

Hes just not throwing his fastball for strikes. It looks like the only pitches he has confidence in are his change-up and slider but the problem is those work off his fastball so hitters are sitting on them and taking them for balls. As a result hes walking guys and having to take something off his 90-93mph fastball and hes throwing it 85-87. Thats a pretty significant difference.

Nice job by Johan with the CG today. We needed that after we used everyone in the pen during that 14 inning gem last night. If anyone can inform me why in the blue hell you pitch to Albert Pujols with a tired relief pitcher who has a propensity to give up home runs Id love to know? I spent much of last night and this morning trying to figure it out. I mean if Rick Ankiel or Troy Glaus beats you well then stuff happens. those guys K a fair amount also so you can get around them. But you pitch to a guy hitting 349 after Heilman had thrown 45 pitches in 2+ innings? I asked on another board but all I got were a bunch of Jerry defenders. I like Jerry but thats got to fall on him for not just walking Pujols in the 14th inning saturday. When someone figures that out let me know.

On a related note, there seems to be 1 game every series we just throw away. We had the blown lead in the Phillies series, the game saturday with the aforementioned situation...For a team thats like 4 games back of having the best record in the NL, this crap can be costly when we're trying to get home field!

Beltran had a couple of hits, if he gets hot along with Delgado hitting, look out!

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

Beltran had a couple of hits, if he gets hot along with Delgado hitting, look out!

Forget his hits, did you see that sick catch he made today robbing a Card of a sure HR?

But you are right, I mean this Mets team his nine home runs this weekend and he didn't have one, like you said imagine what this team will be like when he does get it going.

And the sick part is beltran still hasnt had that 1 month where he goes absolutely ballistic. And every year he has a month like that so its coming :)

Do we make a play for Manny?

I dont think we have what it takes to get manny unless you want to give up a certain OF half his age? And then pick up his 20 million options the next 2 years? I love manny as a player but hes 36 and a handful for any organization with his nonsense. If we didnt I couldnt kill the organization because I really think Manny is the most feared hitter of his era in a big spot, even more then pujols and arod and hes one of about a dozen players with a career OPS at 1000 (hes currently at .998) and getting him gets Beltran in the 2 slot where he belongs. But I dont want to completely drain the minors either and getting manny is a win now move where Fernando, Niese Parnell and any high minors prospect with any upside we have is gone....though I think I just named them all lol.

GO FISH!!!!
:tongue2:

I feel dirty rooting for the Marlins. :wink2:

• Pedro Martinez has arrived in Florida and should rejoin the Mets on Tuesday. He’s officially listed for Friday’s start in Houston. Pedro will throw a bullpen session tomorrow, with batters standing in the box but not swinging at Dolphin Stadium. He’ll be capped at about 80 pitches against the Astros. Martinez returning after a team off-day is by design, since it ensures a rested bullpen as a hedge against a short outing.

• Ryan Church will begin taking batting practice Tuesday, and ideally play in minor-league games this weekend with St. Lucie and be activated next week against the Padres.

• Jerry Manuel has anointed Fernando Tatis as his left fielder barring a trade. Translation: When Church returns, Endy goes to fourth outfielder and defensive replacement.

• Manuel plans to stay away from Aaron Heilman for a second straight game today, after Heilman tossed three innings Saturday. Told he could now use Heilman as a starter, Manuel said he told Heilman the very same thing.

Per Adam Rubin's blog - NY Daily News.

"Boik14 wrote:

I dont think we have what it takes to get manny unless you want to give up a certain OF half his age? And then pick up his 20 million options the next 2 years? I love manny as a player but hes 36 and a handful for any organization with his nonsense. If we didnt I couldnt kill the organization because I really think Manny is the most feared hitter of his era in a big spot, even more then pujols and arod and hes one of about a dozen players with a career OPS at 1000 (hes currently at .998) and getting him gets Beltran in the 2 slot where he belongs. But I dont want to completely drain the minors either and getting manny is a win now move where Fernando, Niese Parnell and any high minors prospect with any upside we have is gone....though I think I just named them all lol.

Well, it's a moot point. ESPN is saying that we have no interest in Manny. I would absolutely bring him in if it could be done without giving up Martinez...which it almost certainly couldn't.

Maine left this start early with shoulder stiffness. Not good.

Mets contact Red Sox about Manny
Contrary to the denials that made the rounds Monday, officials from both teams say the Mets have contacted the Red Sox about Manny Ramirez and are interested in pursuing a deal for him if Boston decides to make him available. The Red Sox suspect that GM Omar Minaya wants Ramirez more than Mets ownership does. Regardless, the Mets are reluctant to part with top-prospect talent in exchange for outfielders like Adam Dunn, Raul Ibanez and Randy Winn, but they (rightly) consider Ramirez a far superior hitter to those in that group, and they would discuss players in a Ramirez deal that they would not discuss in others. What remains to be seen is whether a Ramirez deal is too complicated to come together in time for the deadline. (Newark Star-Ledger)

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

Mets contact Red Sox about Manny
Contrary to the denials that made the rounds Monday, officials from both teams say the Mets have contacted the Red Sox about Manny Ramirez and are interested in pursuing a deal for him if Boston decides to make him available. The Red Sox suspect that GM Omar Minaya wants Ramirez more than Mets ownership does. Regardless, the Mets are reluctant to part with top-prospect talent in exchange for outfielders like Adam Dunn, Raul Ibanez and Randy Winn, but they (rightly) consider Ramirez a far superior hitter to those in that group, and they would discuss players in a Ramirez deal that they would not discuss in others. What remains to be seen is whether a Ramirez deal is too complicated to come together in time for the deadline. (Newark Star-Ledger)

Go get him, Omar!!!

"phunwin wrote:

Go get him, Omar!!!

We can only pray.

I was surprised that we didn't inquire about Harden when he became available.

next best thing is to make sure we have the best lineup in baseball. You add manny to what we have.....that SHOULD be enough.

"Section126 wrote:

We can only pray.

I was surprised that we didn't inquire about Harden when he became available.

next best thing is to make sure we have the best lineup in baseball. You add manny to what we have.....that SHOULD be enough.

I'm not. The A's sold high on that one, and good for them.

"phunwin wrote:

I'm not. The A's sold high on that one, and good for them.

I would have SOLD OUT to get him.

I would have been as excited to get him as I was to get Johan.

BTW, Marlin fans are abusive...LOL!!!!

We always talk about how Jet fans are obnoxious..but WOW....

Hard spot for me since I like both teams (ties go to the Mets), but Jesus H. Christ...the 4 Marlin fans there last night where insane.

Heaven forbid if they knew I lived 20 minutes from the stadium as they told me to go "**** myself back to New York."

They are talking about Beltran for Manny on WFAN, would you do it. (They are not saying that is the deal)

Its intriguing, you could put Edny in CF and not lose on defense, and gain more offense with Manny and not have to give up to many prospects that way. But I'm not sure I pull the trigger on that one.

"Section126 wrote:

BTW, Marlin fans are abusive...LOL!!!!

We always talk about how Jet fans are obnoxious..but WOW....

Hard spot for me since I like both teams (ties go to the Mets), but Jesus H. Christ...the 4 Marlin fans there last night where insane.

Heaven forbid if they knew I lived 20 minutes from the stadium as they told me to go "**** myself back to New York."

Its a residual effect from Phins-Jets games. I laugh when Marlins/Dolphins say "Go back to New York". Do they not know (present company excluded) New Yorkers are like cockroaches? :wink2:

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

They are talking about Beltran for Manny on WFAN, would you do it. (They are not saying that is the deal)

Its intriguing, you could put Edny in CF and not lose on defense, and gain more offense with Manny and not have to give up to many prospects that way. But I'm not sure I pull the trigger on that one.

I'd feel like when we signed Mo Vaughn. It'd be pretty hard to get past the lingering feeling that his best days may be past him. I'm fine with Beltran, and I'm especially comforted with him only being 31.

"HardKoreXXX wrote:

Its a residual effect from Phins-Jets games. I laugh when Marlins/Dolphins say "Go back to New York". Do they not know (present company excluded) New Yorkers are like cockroaches? :wink2:

And most of the Floridians are transplanted New Yorkers????

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

And most of the Floridians are transplanted New Yorkers????

HAHA. Yes, and that :wink2:

"Section126 wrote:

I would have SOLD OUT to get him.

I would have been as excited to get him as I was to get Johan.

Well, that's where you and I part company. And not for the first time. :wink2:
Where you see a 26 year old with electric stuff and tremendous numbers, I see a kid with a fragile body who's only once even come close to pitching a complete season.

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

They are talking about Beltran for Manny on WFAN, would you do it. (They are not saying that is the deal)

Its intriguing, you could put Edny in CF and not lose on defense, and gain more offense with Manny and not have to give up to many prospects that way. But I'm not sure I pull the trigger on that one.

No, I would not do it. In fact, I almost barfed up my lunch reading that.

1. Beltran gives production at the plate that's not too far off from Ramirez, is younger, a bit cheaper, and significantly more valuable on defense and the basepaths.
2. Any scenario that ends with "and Endy Chavez can start" is a bad one.

"NJFINSFAN1 wrote:

They are talking about Beltran for Manny on WFAN, would you do it. (They are not saying that is the deal)

Its intriguing, you could put Edny in CF and not lose on defense, and gain more offense with Manny and not have to give up to many prospects that way. But I'm not sure I pull the trigger on that one.

No. I think the shallow LF hides Manny defensively. Without a stud like Beltran in CF the OF defense would blow. Offensively Manny is a higher average more clutch hitter, and man wouldn't it be fun to see the stats Wright could post with Manny behind him.....however we lose the speed element this team is built on. Beltran is very low maintenance where as manny...not so much. While I wouldnt be upset to see the statue go this doesnt really solve much for us, it just creates a different hole. Plus I think Id rather see Tatis in LF then Endy in CF on an everyday basis.