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Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by NJFINSFAN1, Mar 22, 2008.
I like Sheehan a lot.
But for me, I think Bobby Abreu is a better fit with Cubs than the Mets....
Well, I don't expect any of that plan to actually come to fruition. There's no evidence the Mets are interested in Abreu, for openers. They've been focused on finding a right handed bat. I also think K-Rod at 3/42M is more likely than Wood at 3/33.
Suspect you all have watched, but its nice:
Citi Field | mets.com: Ballpark
Id rather have Wood over K-rod I think so I have no problem with that. I do like Juan Cruz but not at that price. Hes been on 4 teams already and had 1 save and has not been as good as he was last year on a consistent basis. That would also be drastically overpaying for a guy that cant close. Get Street or Putz or even Feuntes to pair with Wood. Give yourself options.
I like Abreu as a player but there's 1 major thing that would bother me about him playing Oin Citi....that is he is afraid of walls. Why do I point this out? Well, Citi has a large RF and in LF theres a gap where the wall sticks out some. For a guy afraid of walls and who's defense has declined some the last few years I can see either of those spots being a disaster for Abreu. I do however love his bat as he is always amongst the leaders in pitches seen per AB and a legit 300-20homer-100 rbi-100run-20 steals guy which makes him a Beltran clone (less power, more BA/OBP, less D) and thats a good thing.
Lowe wouldnt bother me at all but hes nuts to pick him over CC. Lowe had an awful first year in LA, a great contract year (go figure!) and was decidedly mediocre in between. I wouldnt go to 4/62 to get him. I would rather get Burnett at that price as we would have him through his prime at that point. I stop at 3/40 for Lowe with maybe a 4th year 12 mil option that vests at say 90 starts over the first three years.
And Im not in favor of anything that keeps castllo on the roster.
Mets close to 3-year deal for K-Rod
The Mets appear on the verge of simultaneously interrupting a sluggish baseball market and solving their biggest winter. They are closing in on a deal to sign star free-agent closer Francisco Rodriguez.
The deal, which is expected to be consummated very soon, is said to be for about $37 million over three years.
"It's going to get done,'' said a person familiar with the talks.
New York Mets are close to signing closer Francisco Rodriguez - MLB - SI.com
That's not a bad deal at all.
Assuming they do it for 3/37, that's a better deal than I predicted.
I could live with 3/37 even though hes still not my first choice. Still this is just the beginning as we need 3-4 more quality relievers and someone to replace Ollie; a 2B upgrade and another OF are very necessary as well.
The Mets, who according to the Washington Post are in discussions to trade Brian Schneider to Boston, would like to move Schnieder, according to a source familiar with the organization.
Even though trading Schneider would leave them with a hole at catcher, the Mets were disappointed in his defense and would be willing to make the move without a replacement in hand.
The Mets could pursue free agents Jason Varitek — who would be replaced in Boston by Schneider — or Ivan Rodriguez, whom Mets GM Omar Minaya knows well from their time together in the Texas organization. --Ed Price
Varitek would be okay in my eyes because he is that fiery gamer we need, Irod????? Yuck!!!
Eh, I like Tek but not as a full time player at this point in his career. Id rater keep Schneider then have him or Irod as my full time player. Schneider could still be a type A FA at years end even though right now hes technically a type B; the difference would be two additional picks. Varitek is a type A so we would be giving a draft pick to sign him and we are already doing that for K rod and you would be doing it for Ibanez as well.
Would Schneider qualify as a Type A? I didn't think he was good enough for that. If so, then absolutely, we should keep him and let him test the market.
And yes, I agree, at this point in their careers, I would happily take a Schneider/Castro platoon over Tek or Pudge. Signing Tek or Pudge would be nothing more than a "name" signing to try and appease the fans. In fact, Schneider is likely to be better than either of those guys next year.
As it stands right now Schneider would be a type B next year as hes rated as the 9th or 10th best C in the NL. But with a good year he could leapfrog a guy or 2 ahead of him in to the 8th slot. And since the rating is based off two years its not inconceivable if he has a good year in a contract year.
K-Rod signs 3 year deal with Mets. It's official. You gonna need more than that to beat my Phillies. But good signing!!!!!!!!!!!
The New York Mets agreed to a three-year deal with free-agent reliever Francisco Rodriguez, a source told ESPN.
The deal, worth $37 million plus addition incentives, is pending a physical.
It is a one-year increase over the two years and $24 million the team is said to have initially offered Rodriguez, who broke the major league single-season saves record last season with 62.
ESPN - Source: New York Mets agree to three-year deal with Francisco Rodriguez
Its a bargain price.
Roman is already nervous!
A bunch of rumors on the radio that Wagoner could be ready mid season, he is ahead of schedule.
Hey I thought Billy Wags said he would never pitch in NY again? Can't wait for baseball to start back up. I do think KRod helps you out and is a big upgrade over Schoenweiss/Heilemann (spelling?) you just need some middle relievers now. I am looking forward to seeing where CC, Peavy, Lowe, DeRosa, Burrell, Manny, Fuentes and the other FA's end up. I think the Braves will be better, the Marlins worse, and the Nats about the same (I hear Manny is going to the Nats )
The Nats are said to be ready to offer Tex a big deal to play 1st base. And he is from that area. So who knows?
Wow if that happens.
Good start, Omar! Now sign Cruz, swap Heilman and something else for Street, move Castillo for a bag of sunflower seeds and sign Hudson, and we're golden.
FYI, theres a 4th year vesting option on K-rods deal for 14 mil. The total deal is 3/37 + 1/14 = 4/51. Still way ahead of the 5/75 Krod thought he was getting. Nice job by Omar, even though Krod wasnt my first choice. Now sign Feuntes as a setup guy or get Street. Juan Cruz wouldnt be bad but high profile FA Mid RP's seem to rarely work out so that does get me nervous.
I wonder if Erik Bedard isnt available for pennies on the dollar. This team also needs a RH bat...I wonder if Ichiro couldnt be had with his ridiculous deal as well. Could free up room for the M's if they want to go in a different direction.
Not sure why Frankie turned down the Angels offer just to accept basically the samething w/ the Mets...I hope his arm falls off now lol.
Its not the same deal bro. Its 1 mil more per, a 4th year vesting option that he gets as long as he can basically throw a baseball, and a team that showed they wanted him. Personally, I would have preferred you kept him and just signed wood but they werent going to do that with the wagner injury debacle that basically cost us last year. Theyre going to point to K-rods healthy track record and health over anything else.
When I typed that I hadnt seen the 4th year option yet. So 4/51 I can understand. 3 mill seems like a wash unless he wanted to leave town, but I think both sides basically just moved on.
Im sure he'll do fine in NY, he's got some years left in him. We worked him hard, but his changeup will prolong him if it continues to improve. He's a nice first piece towards rebuilding that pen and he didnt cost a ridiculous amount. I mean if Francisco Cordero can get 4/46 than signing Frankie for what you did the year after he sets the saves record isnt a bad move.
Mets eye Capps, Street for set-up role
Posted by: Jon Heyman01:10 PM ET 12.10 SHARE
LAS VEGAS -- The Mets are looking at the Pirates' Matt Capps and a few others in addition to Colorado's Huston Street as they begin to focus on a set-up man to front new closer Francisco Rodriguez. One problem the Mets are encountering, though, is that teams are insisting on young lefthanded pitching prospect Jon Niese, whom the Mets do not want to trade, in return.
The Rockies' rejected the Mets' offer of Aaron Heilman for Street, but perhaps those talks can be resurrected. The Mets also bleived to have talked to the Cubs and Mariners about relief help.
I like Niese but he better not hold up anything good. Capps is a solid fireballer who can step in and close as needed. It would create another need though in the rotation meaning we would have to sign/trade for 2 sp's.
Niese for Capps
Heilman and Show for Street
Trade for Bedard and washburn (using washburn's high salary as a way to drive down the cost of bedard further) for a couple of prospects (Dillon Gee, Nick Evans and Bobby parnell)
Leaves us with:
Thats a nasty young pen and a rotation with huge upside if Bedard can finally realize his potential like he started to with Baltimore. And Washburn, as bad as he can be is a legit 200 innings guy. Makes more money then you would like but hes only got a year or two left.
I would rather have Niese than Bedard.
What a difference a year makes!!!
Bedard outright quit last year on that team. He showed his true colors. Niese at least has an upside.
I dont get how being hurt = quitting. Thats a pretty big distinction bro
Per Ken Rosenthal 5:05 p.m. — Mets' trade offer shot down
The Mets, seeking a setup man for new closer Francisco Rodriguez, were rebuffed in their attempt to trade right Aaron Heilman to the Rockies for righty Huston Street.
Heilman has drawn interest from more than a dozen clubs. The Mets turned down the Cubs' offer of righty Jason Marquis. It seems inevitable, however, that the Mets will find a match.
Street, too, has drawn interest from numerous clubs. The Rockies have yet to receive a tempting offer.
Per Rotoworld: The Mets have scheduled an afternoon meeting with agent Scott Boras, perhaps to discuss Derek Lowe and Oliver Perez.
Reports are mixed on just how close the Yankees and Lowe might be to an agreement. However, the Mets do seem like long shots there. They have a better chance of keeping Perez, though they're not going to give him the five-year, $70 million deal he wants.
Per Metsblog...The Mets are about to get JJ Putz.
Mets right-hander Aaron Heilman, outfielder Endy Chavez and first-base prospect Mike Carp are in the deal, as is Indians outfielder Rickey Gutierrez.
Adding to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal reports, MLB.com says Joe Smith, Luis Valbuena and Jeremy Reed are all likely involved in a three-team J.J. Putz deal.
The particulars still aren't known, but MLB.com believes the Indians will get Smith from the Mets and Valbuena from the Mariners and give up Gutierrez to Seattle. That suggests that Aaron Heilman could also be Seattle bound, probably with Mike Carp. MLB.com believes the deal is on the verge of being done.
Source: Hot Stove Blog
Related: Aaron Heilman, Luis Valbuena, Joe Smith, Indians, Mets
This Putz better be good if we are going to trade Chavez for him, is he??
Yeah he is. Was awesome as closer two years ago, not quite as good last year but was also injured. Hes set up before and closed
Sounds like way too many guys moving to difference places to seem true but hey stranger things have happened. If it does go down you have to tip your cap to Omar as a pen with both Putz and K-Rod is a very nice start, especially since all they have to give up is a really a 5th OFer, a RP and minor league 1B for someone who was a top 5 closer in 2007.
Done deal!!!! Mets got Putz and dumped Heilturd in the same deal.
Update, 11:26 PM:
The Mets just announced that Omar Minaya will address reporters from the podium at the Bellagio in the next hour.
Update, 11:12 PM:
The deal is done, according to Ken Rosenthal at FoxSports.com, “J.J. Putz is headed to New York in a three-team trade with the Mariners and Indians,” according to major-league sources.
The Mets will soon release a press release that says the deal is as follows:
The Mets give up Aaron Heilman, Joe Smith, Endy Chavez, Maikel Cleto, Ezequiel Carrera, Jason Vargas and Mike Carp, while getting J.J. Putz, pitcher Sean Green and OF Jeremy Reed.
The Indians give up OF Franklin Gutierrez, while getting Smith and infielder Luis Valbuena
The Mariners give up Putz, Reed and Green, while getting Franklin Gutierrez, Heilman, Chavez, Cleto, Carrera, Vargas and Carp.
Yes!!! Our bullpen is setting up pretty good.
Sad to see Endy go I hope that this Jeremy Reed dude is a worthy bench OFer.
Yeah I was upset that Endy was dealt but I think his role was too narrow for us. We badly needed to change the bench/support personnel and we have started down a great path.
I wont ever forget the "holy ****" chants that rocked shea after that ridiculous catch vs St Louis.
As far as Reed, hes basically Endy with more upside offensively and at 1/3rd of the cost. He was once considered an elite prospect (much like church!) but his bat has not yet developed the way the M's hoped. Hes a Lefty bat with rare power but I think he can still develop as a contact hitter. He needs to be more patient at the plate as he gets fooled easily by off-speed stuff from the little I have seen. Still, with some seasoning, he may be a nice 5th OF/emergency type.
Kind of surprised Putz doesnt mind being a setup man.
Its amazing what being on a 110 loss team will do to ones ego! We still need at least 1 more good arm though.
7th: ??? (on days Johan and Pelfrey arent pitching)
Loogy: Felicano (Schoenweis better not be here opening day!)
Matchup options: sanchez/Green/Parnell/any other ST invites.
Already looks better then last year for sure!