Well, clearly the holdovers from 2012 know they are in roster trouble
-Richard Marshall
-D Patterson
-Nolan Carrol
-Jimmy Wilson
I feel Clemons and Jones are cemented in as starters at Safety, adding Lamar Taylor and Willie Davis and Grimes, to a usual 5 man Cb rotation, means some folks will be looking for work elsewhere when the season opens in 2013.
Marshall and Patterson figure to be in roster trouble due to contract size, Carrol really has not developed into more than an avg Cb and Jimmy Wilson is a sort of tweener.
IMO, of the holdovers it is down to Jimmy Wilson and Richard Marshall, Wilson makes more plays, Marshall is coming off of a back injury and poor play in 2012. Problem with Wilson as a Cb is he is not a slot Cb, and not really a boundary Cb.
My guess is:
Starting Cb's:
Richard Marshall
Lamar Taylor
Nickel Cb:
Willie Davis
Battle is for the #4 Cb job, unless Davis is just hot garbage in camp forcing them to keep Patterson.
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1 good, but overpaid Vet, 2 young Cb's who have not really developed and a Rook Cb who was traded up for in the draft. -
If Grimes proves healthy he is absolutely going to be a starter
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Marshall v Grimes?
or Grimes and Marshall w/Taylor the #3?
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Man, I really like Wilson. Why in the world did we stop blitzing him from the slot? It seems like every time this team finds something that works, they completely stop doing it. And this is true of every regime that has blown through town.
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For me, I know folks get excited over the draft, but until they actually do something it's like they don't exist unless it's Dion Jordan...:lol:Kingtut561 likes this. -
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Yeah Taylor was a reach but since so many seems to love the pick I threw him in there. I do believe he has an uphill battle on his hands beating out the Vets, learning the system and gaining the trust of the coaching staff.... If he is as talented as many believe him to be, he will start at some point in the season but not day 1 unless the injury bug rears its head!
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this thread is 3 months early, the same for every other position
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IMO, unless health is an issue, Taylor should be the starter from day 1. Our vets have been vetted. Baptism by fire. We can't afford having such a high draft pick riding the bench. If such is the case, Jordan better be rookie of the year/pro bowl candidate in order for the daft to be considered a success.
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Personally I think Wilson should be the backup S, he's undersized but to me, he just makes things happen he's just not great in man on man coverage from the slot.
If Carrol had still returned kicks he'd have a better roster shot.
To be clear:
Richard Marshall
Dimitri Patterson
Brent Grimes
Nolan Carrol
Jimmy Wilson
Willie Davis
Jamar Taylor
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well, until proven otherwise, you have to go with:
Grimes (assumed healthy enough to start)
Patterson (Staff allegedly liked what he did at the end of the year) will battle Taylor
Marshall (if healthy enough to regain his nickel form) will battle Davis
you have Carroll and Wilson as throw ins and competition ... but both need to show some serious improvement. believe both made 'some' improvement last year ... their 1st year with some real coaching mind you (same for Clemons and Jones). Guys like Stanford, Presley (converted QB), and Posey are still unknowns and get a bit more slack than Carroll and Wilson who are in put up or shut up mode.
to me, i would not expect Davis to take over at nickel this year .... unless forced to do so.
the obvious moves are to cut Marshall and Patterson to save $$$ ... but they aren't going to do that unless someone from the pack makes them expendable. If Marshall is healthy, would guess that Patterson is the odd man out ....Justright and Kingtut561 like this. -
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I think Jamar Taylor will play a good deal of nickelback. He has the strength for that position that teams are looking for nowadays to press slot WRs (the way Baltimore beats NE), short-area quicks, can attack the run pretty well. If nickel is becoming the more base defense, i think you'll see Taylor inside often.
This depends on what we do with the large contracts Patterson and Marshall have too, which remains to be seen. My first thought is that they won't both be here; but between Grimes' ACL and Taylor's red flags, there are pretty good reasons to keep them on. Corner will be interesting to watch as it plays out.Kingtut561 likes this. -
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If we get pre-injury Brent Grimes, we didn't overpay for him. We got a steal. Dudes a beast and the falcons are not happy to lose him. Hes a risk due to the achillies, but if he can get back to full speed we're set. (probably lose him next year tho if thats the case)
Marshall will be the starter IMO. We signed him for a reason a year ago and I think he'll earn the spot.
Basically, im just thrilled we won't have to see the likes of RJ Stanford and jimmy Wilson out there covering guys (poorly) anymoreKingtut561 likes this. -
I always think of 3 starting CBs for any team, for us, Grimes, Patterson and Taylor, with Marshall potentially replacing Patterson if Marshall is completely healthy.I love Wilson's ST play, so I'd love to see them keep him as a backup safety/special teams ace. Carroll is gone IMO, he brings nothing to the table that someone else can't.
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Here is my take on the whole secondary and what i would like to see shake down.
Corners
1. Grimes
2. Taylor
3. Marshall/Patterson competing for nickel corner. I dont see how both stay if one of them is going to be the 4th corner. If Taylor bombs in camp than this could change.
4. Davis
5. Carroll
PS. Donald Jones
Free Safety
1. Chris Clemmons
2. Jimmy Wilson
(Marshall could get some time there if need be)
Strong Safety
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I agree with those who think it will be Grimes, Marshall, or Patterson, as the two starters at CB when the season begins, if Grimes and Marshall are healthy enough to compete for a starting job.
I think Taylor will start out as a nickle or dime CB and could become a starter as the season goes along, if one of the veteran starters falters during the season.
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Hopefully, it's Grimes and Taylor as starters, Marshall, Patterson or Davis competing for the nickel..
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Gotta go with Grimes and Taylor. I could see marshall in the slot. If Davis impresses I think we cut patterson and save the 4 million and it only helps to add more talent on the roster.
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I would caution against early expectations on Taylor or Davis.
Jamar Taylor seems to me like a guy that freezes and doesn't commit when he's a little outside his comfort zone in terms of speed, knowing his responsibilities and reading what is happening on the field. That could make him like a broken ATM machine while he's still trying to adjust to the speed of the NFL. Remember he played at Boise, he didn't see this caliber of athletes very often. When he did get that bump up in speed and athletic ability at the Senior Bowl week of practices, I thought he really struggled with the likes of Markus Wheaton and Marquise Goodwin. -
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I think the coaches may have checked out on Nolan Carroll, but if they hadn't then I wouldn't have been totally shocked if he emerged as the starter on the outside opposite Grimes.
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If anything we've added a quality start in Grimes, assuming he's healthy, 2 rook Cb's, and we have Marshall coming back healthy.
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i don't see anything altering Clemons, Jones tandem at S .... definitely not Patterson or Marshall .... this is a huge year for both ... being contract years .... and potentially puts us in a huge bind.
unless the 'other' Jones or Kovacs really surprises in TC (which i don't really see) ... albeit, i give Kovacs a better shot right now today ....
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