If this team makes the playoffs, nobody goes anywhere

 

Yes, but we are hoping for success.... Being fans and all.

 

Rob Ryan has only just moved to the saints...

 

Think I'd rather have Jay Gruden as the HC.....

 

Jets implode and Rex gets fired. Bring him in as the DC as he seeks revenge.

 

If John Gruden really wanted to coach he'd be coaching. I want someone who wants to coach and not be talked into leaving an anouncing gig to do it.

Jay Gruden? is there enough of a body of work to hand the keys to him?

Nolan,ehh
Ryan, he just got the Saints job, unless its a HC job i doubt he is going anywhere.

Pioli? WHY?

 

I'm lukewarm on the idea of Jon Gruden because you're betting he's going to be the first guy to win a Super Bowl in two different places, and I'm skeptical that is Gruden. He doesn't have a good reputation for developing quarterbacks, and he has the reputation for being a bit of an *** and someone the players will end up turning on eventually.

I don't care for Mike Nolan as a defensive coordinator. I think Kevin Coyle is better, frankly.

 

Jay Gruden has been pretty successful as a coach in the Arena League and as an OC so far.

 

Personally, my favorite would be this:

HC Lovie Smith- I think Smith is a good coach who has brought his team to the highest levels, but hasn't won a Super Bowl. He's a big name acquisition in the mold that Ross would prefer I think, and is a better version of the attempted Jeff Fisher hire. I think he in part suffered from Jerry Angelo not being a particularly good GM.

OC Gary Kubiak- Smith will want someone who can run the offense semi-autonomously and call plays, and I think Kubiak would be a good fit. The offense is balanced, wouldn't be a total change from what is currently run, and I think fits what we have in terms of offensive players well. He's also done a good job coaching quarterbacks in the past.

 

Sell me on Lovie....what am i missing?

 

He's got the highest win/loss percentage of any coach available(besides potentially Bill Cowher), has not won a Super Bowl so you're not in the boat of hoping you've got the first guy to do it with two different teams, has head coaching experience, has won despite some questionable circumstances/GM-work.

 

I would weep uncontrollably if Kubiak was allowed anywhere near Tannehill. Have you seen how badly he mucked up the Schaub/Keenum situation this year?

Keep Kubiak as far away from young QBs as possible.

 

I'm not sure how you could possibly come to that conclusion, as Kubiak's issues in that regard have been deciding who to start. Both Casey Keenum and TJ Yates have performed quite well given the circumstances, and it's a credit to their coaching and management that marginal prospects can perform that well in so early in their careers off the bench.

His biggest black mark is what, Brian Griese? He might be the sole young player who didn't perform particularly well, and whom went elsewhere and played better(albeit with the same inconsistency which saw him with a single year under Gruden).

Besides Griese, I think every starting QB he's coached has had their best career season with him(including two HOFers), and have performed well as young players.

 

The truth is that there aren't that many guys who have won Super Bowls and then even tried somewhere else. I think there are maybe 10 of them. The odds of any new coach who has not won a Super Bowl winning one is far less than 1 in 10. And obviously there is nothing inherent in the fact that a guy has won a super Bowl that would make him less likely to do it again than someone who has never even shown the capability of winning a Super Bowl.

 

Sure, that's true, but I think the fact so few have tried it also lends itself to that situation. I don't think they've got the same drive, or you need such a confluence of circumstances you can't really reproduce it organically.

 

I would love some Lovie Smith/hardnose style football down here.

 

Exactly. Schaub has played awful this year and should have been benched long before his injury. And now that Keenum is playing very well, he should never have left the door open for Schaub's return, and he should NEVER have gone back to Schaub like he did last week. Schaub is playing so poorly right now that even Andre Johnson got fed up with him and got angry. Yet Kubiak is still on the Matt Schaub bandwagon, and I don't want an OC who thinks its a good idea to stick with a vet who's playing terribly instead of a young guy playing really, really well.

Kubiak reminds me way too much of Sherman. He subscribes to the "stick to the plan even if it isn't working until finally, by the pure grace of dumb luck, it eventually works once, so that I can prove it worked" school of thought. I think we've had enough of that around here. I don't want Sherman 2.0 running the offense next year.

 

So basically you want to bring Jon Gruden out of retirement AND somehow talk two coordinators into taking a job that isn't a promotion at all.

Great idea...

 

That's not an offensive coordinator's job.

I'm not sure that's a characterization many people would share. Kubiak's got a long, rather successful career as an offensive coordinator and play caller. 19 years in the NFL as an play-caller, and 13 of those years his offenses have been ranked in the top 10 of points scored.

 

And if it's a lateral move the other team is under no obligation to allow us to talk to them.

 

I think every person is different. It's pretty clear that winning Super Bowls does not generally diminish one's drive to win more, as numerous coaches have won multiple Super Bowls (albeit with the same team). Lack of drive may have been an issue for some of the guys who tried it on a second team, but certainly not for all. A few did make it back to the Super Bowl with their second team and their faliure to win that one game was not due to lack of drive.

 

that's a good point.

 

I honestly believe people thinks winning a Super Bowl is much easier than it is.