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2019 QB Prospects

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  1. Galant

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    Dwayne Haskins Post

    SCHOOL: Ohio State

    JERSEY: No. 7

    HT: 6-2/6-3

    WT: 214/220 lbs

    D.O.B.: 5/3/1997

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    The Draft Network

    https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/16/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-dwayne-haskins/

    "CRABBS
    Arm Accuracy –Impressive placement on far reaching throws in the intermediate areas of the field. Can struggle with placement on his bucket throws vertically but when lacing balls to the sideline or vs. holes in zone coverage, flashes very good placement to slot into a tight space.

    Decision Making –Can get a bit flustered under pressure, had some ugly reps through mid-season contests when he was batted around early. Can freeze if his read is unexpectedly unavailable. Surgical vs. soft zone and off man coverage. Methodical passer in the shallow areas.

    Progressions –Can be very effective, showed a lot of confidence reading trips side route concepts and picking apart defensive coverage. Deeper drops and longer developing plays create poor results, is more reliable and clean in the quick game and rhythm passing.

    Anticipation –Willing and perfectly able of pulling trigger on spot throws to the sideline or breaking across the back of a zone defender…issues stem from placement but conceptually shows a high competency and grasp in this area.

    Poise –Pressure in his face has brought out the worst in him, an understandable byproduct of pressure. But escapability limitations are apparent and seems to freeze under the gun. Game situations, however, are no problem. Successful 2-min offense, 3rd/4th downs.


    Arm Strength –Pop off his hands is most notable on far hash out routes and sideline throws. Ball gets to target in a hurry when he’s working off a stationary platform and really able to put torque into the ball with confidence. Can struggle with too much air under his vertical throws.

    Pocket Awareness –Shows effective skills in climbing the pocket vertically, has a good sense of when his tackles are defeated and needing to climb up the ladder. Has slid into pressure when forced laterally instead of holding his water in the phone booth.

    Mechanics –Does have a little bit of a drop of the ball in his delivery, nothing egregious but there’s a slight delay from when he mentally pulls the trigger and when the ball shoots out. Pretty compact otherwise and gets over the top at his release point.

    Footwork –Requires some real estate, can be a bit of a long strider in delivery and when handcuffed allows the ball to get away from him. Quick snap on sudden throws to the flat. Shows good lower body rotation when he’s afforded a sizable amount of space.

    Mobility –Has enough mobility to get off of his spot and climb the pocket for a throw. Lacks any exceptional wiggle or first step quickness, so has to wait out pass rushers before stepping up and forcing the missed tackle. Waning success using his legs on the edge.

    BEST TRAIT – Arm Strength

    WORST TRAIT – Poise

    BEST FILM – Michigan (2018)

    WORST FILM – Michigan State (2018)

    RED FLAGS – None

    Dwayne Haskins projects as a prototypical pocket passer in the NFL. Haskins’ best system fit is an offense that implements a lot of work in the intermediate areas of the field to capitalize on his accuracy to that area and mitigate his longer drops and prolonged reps holding the ball within the pocket. Haskins’ ceiling will be determined by how much more accurate he can get his deep ball and getting his decision making process to speed up. Is not overly effective beating pressure."

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    Draftek

    https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Draft-Scouting-Reports/Scouting-Report-Dwayne-Haskins.asp
    "Evaluated by: Cody Lachney
    CodyLac@gmail.com


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    Most NFL general managers and scouts prefer that a quarterback play more than one year as a starter for their college team before entering the professional ranks. However, if you're going to ignore that advice, it certainly helps to have a season like the one Dwayne Haskins produced in 2018. The redshirt sophomore - originally from Highland Park, New Jersey - holds both the Ohio State and Big-10 passing and touchdown record. He threw for 4831 yards and 50 TD (!), adding 4 more on the ground. This while only serving 8 interceptions on the year. Even with a good supporting cast, none of that is easy to do and is indicative of superb talent.

    Dwayne Haskins is a decisive, quick-rhythm passer with a great ability to read the field and take what defenses give him. He is one of the few college quarterbacks I've seen who routinely goes through his progressions before throwing the football rather than just staring down his first read. Against TCU Haskins was able to torch the Horned Frog defense using double-slant combination routes in which he was able to effectively read the linebackers, fitting the ball into tight windows for easy first downs. He throws quick intermediate passes with great accuracy so he will heavily benefit from having a pass-catching running back and a serviceable slot receiver in whatever system he lands in.

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    Though perhaps even more impressive than his ability to work the intermediate routes are his beautiful deep ball passes. In 2018 Haskins threw 17 touchdowns on passes of 20+ yards or more - with a passer rating of 115.7. Dwayne has A+ arm talent with great ability to stretch the field and has tremendous touch on the football while being able to throw over the heads of defenders with great velocity. It seems effortless for him to put it right between the numbers of his receivers. If you're going to throw the deep ball, then you better have a feel for the pocket which is also something Haskins does exceedingly well as you will see him on film multiple times feeling the pressure and stepping up into the pocket before launching the deep ball pass.

    However, speaking of pressure one main criticism against Haskins is his ability to take care of the football when his protection breaks down. He has such a great desire to always make a play that he will try and get the ball out when there isn’t anything there, leading to incompletions and costly turnovers. If the pocket isn't completely clean his footwork can get a little sloppy which causes the ball to sail on him. This isn't too much of a knock against him as a proper NFL quarterback coach should be able to correct this over time with coaching.

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    While Haskins has decent escapability, I wouldn't go so far as to classify him as a run threat. He has the ability to take off and scramble for 1st downs, but much prefers to throw the football as he is unquestionably a pocket quarterback. In fact, one area in which he could use some growth, is understanding when there is a play to be made scrambling for the first down rather than waiting too long for a receiver to get open. He has shown the capacity to take a hit so physical durability shouldn’t be a showstopper.

    Bottom Line
    Dwayne Haskins is unquestionably the top quarterback prospect in the 2019 NFL draft. He has a great arm with the ability to read defenses and fit the football into tight windows. He is an incredibly smart young man and should have no problem making pre-snap reads and changing plays at the line of scrimmage. While he isn't as polished as a QB with 3+ years at the NCAA helm, he is, in my opinion, a top-20 talent. Knowing how the NFL works, do not be surprised to see some team(s) scheming to trade up to the top spot in the draft to secure Haskins as a potential franchise QB.

    NFL player Comparison
    Jared Goff, Rams

    Strengths
    - A+ arm talent
    - decisive quick rhythm passer
    - reason defenses well
    - doesn’t stare down primary read
    - good pocket awareness


    Weaknesses
    - inconsistent footwork
    - needs to protect the football better
    - becomes frantic under pressure
    - gets too caught up playing hero ball
    - only one year as a starting quarterback"

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  3. Galant

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    Daniel Jones

    SCHOOL: Duke

    CONFERENCE: ACC

    HT: 6’5

    WT: 220 lbs

    D.O.B.: 5/27/1997


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    The Draft Network

    https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/08/01/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-daniel-jones/

    "Renown for his work with Peyton and Eli Manning, Jones may be the most physically gifted quarterback that Duke head coach David Cutcliffe has ever worked with. A big-bodied and strong-armed passer, Jones is one of just three returning power five quarterbacks to amass 2,500 passing yards and 500 rushing yards. Complementing his live arm is the ability to pick up yards with his legs as a runner.

    Jones’ ability to win as a runner, combined with Duke’s quick passing game has suited his skill set well. Jones has the physical ability desired in an NFL quarterback.

    Among the concerning elements of Jones’ film is the inconsistencies exhibited outside of quick game. When Jones is tasked with non-schemed reads where he is challenged to survey coverage, make the right decision and deliver and accurate throw the results can be underwhelming. Jones does not showcase the ability to throw with anticipation and his ball placement needs to be more precise. And when Jones is forced to speed up his process, find a quick platform and make throws under duress he is noticeably uncomfortable.

    It was disappointing to not see more growth from Jones in year one to year two as a starter. In 23 more passing attempts as a sophomore, Jones’ completion percentage dipped from 62.8 percent to 56.7 percent while throwing two less touchdowns and three more interceptions. His passing yards per game fell from 236 to 207.

    Surrounded by a veteran group of receivers, Jones needs to take a major step forward in year three as Duke’s starter.

    -Joe Marino"

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    Inside the Pylons - A look at Duke's Short Passing Attack:

    http://insidethepylon.com/pylon-u/t.../11/15/duke-blue-devils-short-passing-attack/

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    DraftWire

    https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2018/12/31/duke-qb-daniel-jones-to-enter-2019-nfl-draft/

    "Jones’ impressive junior campaign helped his draft stock rise significantly. He has the opportunity to be a first-round selection come next April.

    Jones has a strong arm with great velocity and a quick, compact release. He is poised in the pocket, able to go through multiple progressions, and delivers very accurate passes even when he is under pressure. Jones is an excellent deep passer, showing plus touch and arc on passes downfield, perfectly placing balls in the bucket.

    Jones can also win with his legs, demonstrating an ability to make defenders miss in the open field, and enough speed to maximize yardage when running. Jones displays toughness on the field, but also earlier this season when he returned less than three weeks after he had left shoulder surgery.

    In 2018, Jones completed 237 of 392 passes for 22 touchdowns and nine interceptions while rushing for 319 yards and three touchdowns on 104 attempts."


    And another short piece from DraftWire:

    https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2019...uarterbacks-nfl-draft-will-grier-drew-lock/2/

    "By: Gavino Borquez | January 15, 2019 5:18 pm ET

    Daniel Jones | Duke
    Jones is a three-year starter who took a big step forward in 2018. His career numbers don’t scream first-rounder, throwing 52 touchdown passes and 29 interceptions, but Jones didn’t play with high-end talent.

    Jones has a decent arm with enough velocity to fit tight window throws. He is poised in the pocket, able to go through multiple progressions, but struggles when under duress. Despite the majority of his passes being to the short parts of the field, Jones is an excellent deep passer, showing plus touch and arc on passes downfield, placing balls in the bucket.

    Jones also has good mobility for his size, showing the ability to take off with his legs and enough speed to maximize yardage when running. Jones displays toughness on the field, but also earlier this season when he returned less than three weeks after he had left shoulder surgery.

    Jones is one of the quarterbacks I think has the best chance to make some noise down in Mobile. He could be find his way being one of the first quarterbacks taken."

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    NFL Draft Geek

    https://www.nfldraftgeek.com/is-daniel-jones-dukes-best-qb-prospect-ever/

    "Is Daniel Jones Duke’s Best QB Prospect Ever?
    July 30, 2018 Brian Johannes

    Duke University doesn’t have the greatest tradition of success on the field or putting players into the NFL Draft, but that has improved the last several years with David Cutcliff as their head coach and even saw offensive guard Laken Tomlinson go in the first round. With Daniel Jones entering his fourth year on campus and third year as the starter it is no better time than to see if he’s the best quarterback prospect Duke has ever had.

    Who is Daniel Jones
    A local prospect Jones is a part of an athletic family where his brother plays basketball at Davidson and one sister plays field hockey at Davidson and the other is a part of the US National Soccer system. Jones initially redshirted his first year before taking over for Thomas Sirk after he suffered a season ending injury. In his first full year as the starter Jones helped lead the Blue Devils to a 7 win season while throwing for 2,691 yards and 14 touchdowns.

    What Daniel Jones Does Well


    Daniel Jones is at his best when he is making quick short throws distributing the ball to all of his weapons. On these short throws Jones uses a quick release to get the ball out and does a good job with his ball placement. Jones does well to put the ball in places where only his receivers can make the play and also allow them to keep moving and not have to slow down or adjust too much to make the catch. Jones doesn’t have a cannon for an arm but can drive the ball to fit it into tight spots on hooks and comeback routes. On his deeper throws Jones does show the touch to drop the ball into his receivers. Jones also has the ability to move around the in the pocket to elude defenders and extend plays.

    Concerns about Daniel Jones
    The further down the field Jones’ throws go, his accuracy starts dipping. Part of it could be he’s trying to guide the ball too much which leads the ball to being too far inside or too short. Another factor could be his anticipation skills are off and he’s not leading the receivers enough. Regardless if Jones wants to take his game to the next level, he needs to have more success on those throws. Jones also has trouble turning the ball over with 20 career interceptions over his two seasons.

    Outlook
    Through all the positives and negatives Daniel Jones has some traits to be an NFL quarterback, but that may be more as a backup then a starter. Sure Jones can look like he’s throwing darts out there on his short throws, but to have success in the NFL you can’t be just a dink and dunk guy. There are plenty of game managers having success in the NFL, but if you are going to be one you have to take care of the ball and hi 30 TDs to 20 INTs and 59.7% completion percentage raises some red flags. There is still time for Jones to develop and working under David Cutcliff will help."

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  4. Galant

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    Kyler Murray

    SCHOOL: Oklahoma

    CONFERENCE: Big 12

    HT: 5’10

    WT: 190/195 lbs

    D.O.B.: 08/07/1997

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    The Draft Network:

    https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/11/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-kyler-murray/
    "Arm Accuracy –Illustrates more general accuracy vs. pinpoint precision. Capable of making ample lay-up throws and has plenty of flashes to drive ball into tight window. That said, leaves too many back-shoulder throws inside or forces steep adjustments from receivers at the catch point.

    Decision Making –Would like to see him more willing to keep his eyes up on arrival of pressure, often drops eyes and will miss uncovered targets by deciding to run. Has had lapses in post-snap processing, although lack of experience as a starter suggests these errors can be ironed out.

    Progressions –Biggest area of inconsistency. Fully capable, moves eyes across the set and can work right to left or high to low. Too often predetermines his target, however. Guilty of staring down the barrel. Misses a lot of intermediate routes into the MOF, struggles to see over OL.

    Anticipation –Throws with most confidence to two areas: vertically between the numbers and on out-breaking patterns to the sideline. Good timing in these areas, otherwise prefers to see the throw uncovered. Spot throws into zone are inconsistent in placement/convenience to catch.

    Poise –Has made some big time plays in key game situations (WVU, Texas 2018). Composure under pressure is effective to force a missed rusher. If he’s flushed up the pocket, he’s running. Willing to wait out a target when rolling away from pressure. Comfortable in the chaos.

    Arm Strength –Compact delivery really generates a lot of torque, baseball background is evident and effective to create velocity. Easy thrower, capable of pushing the ball vertically, even when his base remains unset. Ball explodes off his hand and arrives with great pace and trajectory.


    Pocket Awareness –Only time these reps are negative are when he gets greedy. Slides within the pocket naturally and is comfortable throwing off balance. Shows awareness of his throwing lanes and does well to alter his arm slot to work around pressure as best he can.

    Mechanics –Sudden delivery allows him to shoot the ball out quickly under duress. Mobility can betray him at times, as variance in accuracy expands as he throws on the move outside the pocket. Will work in vast degrees of release point as needed but still generates velocity.

    Footwork –Crisp, quick feet. Gets out of the snap smooth and is most effective sliding laterally within the pocket. Needs to have more intent to snap feet back to a balanced base, many of his accuracy lapses seem to come from casual lower half when he’s forced off his spot.

    Mobility –Elite quality. Has explosive first step to break contain. Tears apart man coverage down the field with his speed and open field ability. OU ran him in speed option and zone read concepts as well with much success, will break contain on designed QB runs.

    BEST TRAIT – Playmaking Ability

    WORST TRAIT – Progressions (MOF specifically)

    BEST FILM – Iowa State (2018)

    WORST FILM – UCLA (2018)

    RED FLAGS – Size/Durability Concerns

    Kyler Murray is a fascinating NFL Draft prospect. His size presents limitations to consistently see intermediate breaks in the MOF and will pose an injury concern in the NFL. Murray has speed, escapability, a powerful throwing arm and enough general accuracy to allow gifted catch point receivers to adjust and ensure the catch. Murray is not a one size fits all prospect but in an offensive utilizing RPO/spread concepts, he can be an explosive weapon and effective starting QB."



    "PROS: True playmaker. Can make almost any short/intermediate throw in and out of the pocket. Top-end short accuracy. Great athlete and he has an understanding of when to use it. Always a threat to make a big play with his legs. Consistent footwork leads to solid accuracy across the board. Above average touch, usually seen on his intermediate passes. Safe with the ball in his hands. Can balance making the big play on the run and keeping the ball off the ground.

    Cons: Exceedingly small for his position, height and frame issues. Low arm angle and long throwing motion limits the throws he can make and results in batted balls at the line of scrimmage. Needs time in pocket to increase velocity. Fails to progress through all of his reads on a consistent basis. Can be too aggressive to leave the pocket at times. Doesn’t possess consistent deep accuracy, especially out of structure. Tendency to hesitate when pressured. Almost always reverts to safest read, even if it leaves yards on the field. Signed to play professional baseball."

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    The Game Haus

    https://thegamehaus.com/kyler-murray-2019-nfl-draft-profile/2019/01/23/

    "Background

    Murray originally enrolled at Texas A&M, but transferred to Oklahoma after one season. He had to sit behind Baker Mayfield, but the 2018 season allowed him to start and become one of the best quarterbacks in the 2019 NFL Draft Class.

    For his career, Murray has thrown for 5,406 yards, 50 touchdowns and 14 interceptions on 67.4% completion. On the ground, Murray added 1,478 rushing yards and 13 touchdowns over his three seasons in college football. The 2018 season, his only one as a starter, Murray led Oklahoma to the College Football Playoff, while picking up the Heisman Trophy on the way. His athleticism and passing ability have gone a long way in making Murray successful.

    After the season, Murray decided to enter his name in the 2019 NFL Draft, but he still could pull his name out and opt to play baseball. If Murray decides to stay in the draft, he will likely go in the first half of the first round.

    Strengths
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    Murray’s greatest strength is his athleticism. This is what got him selected in the 2018 MLB Draft, but also helps him at quarterback. He can make defenders miss when he has the ball in his hands and has the speed and elusiveness in the open field to make any play a threat to be a big one.

    His ability to extend plays will help an NFL team greatly. He is able to due this partially because of his athleticism and speed, but also due to his ability to throw on the run. Teams will need to try to keep him in the pocket to restrict his throwing lanes and not allow him to make plays with his legs or with throws downfield.

    He has good accuracy when he has time to throw the ball. Murray regularly hits wide receivers within 20 yards of the line of scrimmage with ease. He can fit the ball into tight windows and his accuracy in that range includes throws outside of the numbers. With that, he also has the ability to throw receivers open even if there are defenders in the area.

    Weaknesses
    The biggest weakness that will be brought up until well after the draft is his size. He is listed at 5-foot-10, but will likely measure shorter than that at the NFL combine. With the lack of height, he will have to find throwing lanes through the war going on in the trenches. There will also be questions about his hand size and ability to grip the football, even though he did do well in some cold weather games at Oklahoma.

    Processing the defense for Murray has been inconsistent. He doesn’t always progress through his reads properly. This affects his decision-making as well, as he will try to fit the ball into one player rather than looking over all of his targets. In addition, Murray sometimes has too much faith in his arm and doesn’t look off safeties well enough.

    Murray can get away from a pass rush if he sees it, but he doesn’t always have a great feel for the rush. Defenders would often get to him from out wide without him being able to see it. He was able to evade a lot of things in college even when defenders did get to him, but in the NFL he may not be able to do so as much. If he gets the ball out of his hand fast and feels the rush better, he can be a much more effective quarterback.

    Projected Draft Range: First round-second round"

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    NFL Draft Geek

    https://www.nfldraftgeek.com/kyler-murray-nfl-draft-potential/

    "After being drafted 9th overall by the Oakland Athletics it seemed like a forgone conclusion that Murray was destined to play professional baseball. Even after the A’s let Murray stay at Oklahoma and play this season it seemed like Murray was never really seen as an NFL quarterback. But with all the success that Murray has had at Oklahoma and how he’s been able to show off his skill set, it raises a question of whether or not the NFL is a viable place for Murray. In this video we take a look at Murray’s past and raise questions to whether the NFL is an option compared to MLB. Let’s take a look at Kyler Murray NFL Draft potential"



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  5. Galant

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    Drew Lock

    SCHOOL: Missouri

    CONFERENCE: SEC

    HT: 6’3/6'4

    WT: 225 lbs

    D.O.B.: 11/10/1996



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    The Draft Network:

    https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/11/19/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-drew-lock/
    "PROS: Size, height and physical tools are all desirable. Arm strength for distance is very impressive. Upper-body mechanics are pretty clean, over-the-top, snappy delivery. Velocity checks the box. Good poise in the pocket, keeps his eyes downfield and doesn’t panic easily.

    Has made every throw on tape, including a couple money shots on the corner route (one of the toughest patterns to hit). Not deterred by tight windows, flashes a gunslinger mentality but clearly showed improved decision-making from the year before. Has shown the ability to drop dimes on nine routes, even when under pressure. Good enough athlete to extend outside of structure, although it will never be his forte. Flashes of control and strong play when down/tied late are encouraging.

    CONS: Sails some passes and can go through mini-bouts of inaccuracy. Deep ball is all over the place, especially down the sideline. Can be in the bread-basket or several yards out of bounds. Touch passes around the end zone are often overthrown. Mental processing will be a concern, must learn not to pre-determine his throws and instead respond to what the defense is giving him. Ball placement is spotty at times, puts in-breaking route throws on receiver’s back hip, curl/hitch throws a tad inside.

    While decision-making is clearly improving, will still lock onto reads and lead safeties to the football at times. Eye manipulation and full-field processing are areas to improve. Must focus on following through with his trail foot rather than all-arming passes. Sails throws as a result, lacking control and leading to turnover-worthy plays. From time-to-time, falls off his platform when releasing throws. As you can probably tell, overall consistency for Lock is the biggest concern."

    "Arm Accuracy –Struggles throwing with accuracy over the middle of the field. Needs to develop a better sense of touch passing to not let throws aimed over a body at the LOS to sail and miss high. Best placement throws are typically back shoulder tosses to the sideline.

    Decision Making –Has some awful lapses of judgment when playing under pressure. Can look lost at times dropping back, locking into first read and will pull the trigger anyway. Ball security in games against top competition has been a big sore spot.

    Progressions –Is slow to move his eyes across the field of play. Visibly caught processing and needs ample time to see a receiver uncover to be sure, otherwise likes to test tight man coverage and attempt to throw his receivers open despite lack of leverage.

    Anticipation –Has sporadic flashes of spot throws and ability to release the ball before receivers are out of their break but by and large is reliant on seeing his target uncover in order to feel comfortable. Is late on too many throws as a result.

    Poise –Is woefully bad under pressure. Will require excellent interior protection in order to protect him from high risk decisions and throws. Has minimal plan for handling pass rush. Does well to keep eyes down the field looking for targets but shows poor spatial awareness in doing so.

    Arm Strength –Has ample strength to push and drive the ball. Capable of forcing throws through tight creases and eeking a pass in when needed. Ball arrives at the target with plenty of zip, defenders breaking late on passes will struggle to get home in time to challenge.

    Pocket Awareness –Drifts away from the line of scrimmage and fades off his back foot when throwing into the face of pressure. Has to be better at climbing the pocket and forcing missed rush angles by going forward. Too often misses free running blitzers in protection.

    Mechanics –Can be a bit lazy with his release and as a result ball will spray all over the field when trying to place. When able to get on top of the ball is able to generate some beautiful tosses, specifically when he’s in rhythm dropping out of the snap and throwing on time to first reads.

    Footwork –Gets happy feet under pressure, will drift on his drop as the first sensation of pressure and therefore be misaligned when trying to throw in rhythm. Has to gather himself more quickly and be more conscious of weight distribution on quick set throws.

    Mobility –Has a modest ability to pull the ball down and pick up gains on the ground. Isn’t going to win any foot races but is pretty effective when seeing a lane to pick up a head of steam and generate some chunk gains when defense has their back to the pocket in man coverage.

    PLAYER COMPARISON – Paxton Lynch

    BEST TRAIT – Arm Strength

    WORST TRAIT – Decision Making

    BEST FILM – Purdue (2018)

    WORST FILM – Auburn (2017)

    RED FLAGS – None

    Missouri QB Drew Lock projects most favorably in a vertical passing offense. His limitations under duress make him a developmental prospect, he will need notable improvement in his composure under pressure and his throwing mechanics in tight spaces if he’s ever to reach his ceiling as a player. Physically gifted but underdeveloped mentally."


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    Drafttek:

    https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Draft-Scouting-Reports/Scouting-Report-Drew-Lock.asp

    "Evaluated by: Austin Smith
    Smith.AustinJ14@gmail.com

    Drew Lock caught my eye in 2016 when his combination of size and arm strength jumped out in his first year as the full-time starter. Still, it was this past season where he really took off as a junior. Lock threw for 44 touchdowns (led the nation) and nearly 4,000 yards while setting career-bests in just about every major category. Lock also seemed to be hitting his stride as the year ended. Missouri started the year off losing five of six games, but ended the regular season on a six-game winning streak, including conference victories against Florida, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, and Arkansas. The expectation for scouts is that Lock picks up where he left off as a junior, with the exception of his mediocre performance in the Academy Sports + Outdoors Texas Bowl against the Texas Longhorns. During that six-game win streak, Lock's completion percentage was 63 percent, with 26 touchdowns and only five interceptions. Maintaining numbers like that for a full season will certainly put him in the conversation to be the top quarterback taken in 2019.

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    Lock's best trait is easily his arm strength. He can launch the ball with ease, despite throwing from a slightly-awkward arm angle. Lock also shows touch on his deep balls in order to let his receivers run under them, and displays light feet when he is asked to drop back. The intermediate throws are where he appears the most accurate, although Lock's completion percentages don't yet show it. Receivers' drops have been little help, and overall it does appear that Lock will be an accurate passer once he gets with NFL receivers. There are times when Lock shows savvy ball placement, most often on deep and intermediate routes. He displays above-average athleticism escaping the pocket and on designed runs, but it won't make him a viable threat to take off in the NFL. Still, Lock's arm strength combined with that athleticism should make him a solid thrower on the move.

    The biggest negative to Lock's game starts with the fact that any positive traits outside of his arm and athleticism come in small sample sizes. The system that he plays in at Missouri is a far cry from the playbook he'll be asked to learn once he enters the NFL. Right now, Lock plays exclusively in the shotgun, and two of the most common throws he makes are tunnel screens and RPOs where his pass option is a quick screen to an outside receiver. These throws, while simple, also worry me about how undisciplined his feet currently are. He is a good athlete but on these quick throws, Lock's feet are rarely set, and that can lead to bad habits that are hard to kick. Disciplined footwork is essential to make throws from a solid platform, allowing proper weight transfer through the motion. Without it, accuracy suffers and maneuvering in the pocket can become an issue, as well. Lock very rarely is asked to read the full field or go through multiple progressions. As I mentioned, Lock's accuracy, ball-placement and touch on deep and intermediate passes seem to be a plus, but with a limited sample size, that could be misleading. Lock also has a slender frame, and will need to bulk up if he is going to survive in the NFL.

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    Lock will be a third-year Captain at Missouri with a history of Missouri Tiger football in his blood. His composure on and off the field are that of someone who was raised to not only play the game, but also handle the spotlight. Lock's temperament on the football field is exemplary and consistent, despite the fact that the Tigers have been on both sides of blowouts, and he should be able to run an NFL huddle without concerns. His teammates talk fondly of Lock, and his steady progression throughout his playing career is evidence that Lock works hard at this craft. There are also no red flags to his name regarding his health, attitude, or personal life.

    Bottom Line
    Lock could have come out as a junior, and I have mixed feelings about him staying. I almost always side with players (especially quarterbacks) that choose to stay in school, but I'm not sure what he has left to prove. Unless Missouri makes some serious changes to their offensive playbook, the same questions we currently have about Lock are going to persist. One could make a case that this year's group of quarterbacks is much less talented than the one that saw five players drafted in the first round in 2018, including four in the top ten. Still, I would hope that any player expected to be a top pick would make that decision based on his own talent and confidence. Lock will enter his senior season as one of the top quarterbacks on scouts' radar; it's always a plus to have the opportunity to compete in the Senior Bowl to boost your draft status. Lock's name may even move into the Heisman conversation, and all factors combined lead me to think it will take something catastrophic for him to get out of the first-round picks in 2019.

    Comparison
    I've heard people mention him in the same light as Patrick Mahomes, and considering the arm-strength and amount of patience any team is going to have to with him once he is drafted, I won't disagree with that. Blaine Gabbert is another obvious candidate, and while many would consider that as inaccurate based on Lock's potential and Gabbert's lack of success in the NFL, it is important to remember Gabbert was a very high pick with similar traits and potential coming out of the Missouri. Still, I'm going to take it a step further, and go with Phillip Rivers. Both have the size and arm strength that teams covet, while also throwing from an unorthodox arm angle that somehow doesn't limit them in any way. Also, while Rivers may have a more sturdy build now, he entered the league at a much more slender 229, similar to Lock.

    Strengths
    - Terrific arm strength
    - Measures 6'4"
    - Displays advanced traits such as ball placement, touch, and accuracy
    - Above-average athlete
    - Gotten better in every year at Missouri
    - Shows leadership qualities
    - Ideal temperament for the position


    Weaknesses
    - Offensive scheme at Missouri does not ask for complex level of reads
    - Amount of "NFL Throws" he makes are few and far between which make it difficult to judge some of his numbers like completion percentage
    - Makes throws without setting feet far more often than scouts will like
    - Seems to be comfortable throwing from the lower-arm slot but can occasionally develop a hitch in his motion


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    DraftWire:

    https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2019...-quarterbacks-nfl-draft-will-grier-drew-lock/

    "NORTH
    Drew Lock | Missouri

    Lock burst onto the scene after throwing for 44 touchdowns in 2017. He fell off after a stretch of three games, failing to throw for over 50 percent, but he picked up the pace towards the second half of the season. Lock finished his 2018 season with an impressive showing in the AutoZone Liberty Bowl, where he threw for 373 yards and three touchdowns.

    Lock has a very strong arm with the ability to make all the throws into tight windows. He gets the ball out of his hand quickly, and takes advantage defenses. A better athlete than people realize, he can create yards on the ground if necessary. He has some gunslinger in him and he’s willing to take chances to make a big play, and is at his best throwing back shoulder tosses to the sideline.

    Lock has some major footwork issues which leads to inaccuracy and needs to be better against pressure. Along with that, Lock will need to get better at his eye manipulation and reading defenses.

    Heading into Senior Bowl week, look for some refined mechanics, as well as some more consistency in ball placement from him. Additionally, Lock needs to show he can work through the more complex progression reads that the professional game might put on his plate."

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    Walter Football:

    http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2019dlock.php

    "Drew Lock 2018 Preview
    By Charlie Campbell

    Career Recap: Lock made SEC history last season. Despite all the storied programs and historic quarterbacks in recent years like Cam Newton, Tim Tebow and Matthew Stafford, Lock did something never done before, tossing 44 touchdowns in a single regular season. He went on a tear in the last half of the year to lead Missouri to six straight wins after a 1-5 start. Lock completed 58 percent of his passes in 2017 for 3,964 yards with 44 touchdowns and 13 interceptions.

    Lock completed 55 percent of his passes in 2016 for 3,399 yards with 23 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. As a freshman, he saw the field after barely playing in the first month. That season, Lock completed 49 percent of his passes for 1,332 yards with four touchdowns and eight interceptions.

    2018 Season Outlook: Missouri has a mixed schedule with some weak opponents, some mid-level SEC teams, and the two teams that played in last season's National Championship game. To start 2018, Lock should be able to put some big numbers together against UT-Martin, Wyoming and Purdue. It then gets tough with Georgia in Week 4. Two weeks later, Lock goes to Alabama and will face a defense loaded with NFL talent. If Lock plays well against Georgia and Alabama, his draft stock could soar.

    In the back half of the season, Lock will see some NFL talent in games against Kentucky and Florida. He could close out the year well in games against Vanderbilt, Tennessee and Arkansas.

    Lock has a respectable supporting cast headlined by tight end Albert Okwuegbunam and wide receiver Emanuel Hall. Both are legit NFL prospects who should go in the first four rounds of the 2019 NFL Draft, and Okwuegbunam could go in the first two rounds in his draft class.

    Skill-Set Summary: The trait that stands out the most about Lock is a powerful arm. Scouts who have been to Missouri fall camp say that Lock's arm is legit. He has a rifle and can make every throw required for the next level. Lock's big arm combines with his size and athleticism to give him the skill set of a starting quarterback in the NFL. He has areas for improvement, but as a passer, he has natural talent that is god given and can't be coached into players.

    Lock is a gunslinger-style quarterback who has a big arm with the ability to throw any pass. His powerful arm allows him to fire the ball into tight windows for completions, as the velocity of his throws are capable of beating coverage. He throws the ball well downfield and shows some timing and anticipation. Along with his arm, Lock is a better athlete than one would expect. Scouts say that comes across in practice, and his athleticism is a surprising plus for the big-armed quarterback.

    There are a number of things that Lock needs to improve upon as a senior. They are his accuracy, field vision, and the speed at which he works through progressions. Lock can be prone to overthrows, plus he can put too much heat on some passes. He does have the propensity to force throws to covered wideouts, occasionally trusting his arm too much to beat tight coverage. That is a very common issue that young big-armed quarterbacks have, but that issue could be coached out of him.

    Team sources say that Lock has a quiet personality and is not a vocal leader. They say that his personality is similar to Eli Manning with the Giants. Lock is a quiet guy and not a rah-rah leader who takes over the room. He does not like to be the center of attention and is a little nerdy. Some general managers and coaches want their quarterback to be a commanding personality to lead the team and mesh with all segments of the locker room. Lock does not fit that type of personality. Some teams don't care if their quarterback is a vocal leader and don't mind if he is a quiet, understated player in the locker room. Others want them to be a commanding leader who is very vocal. Thus, Lock could have some teams that are lukewarm on him because of his quiet personality.

    According to NFL teams' preseason data provided by team sources, Lock checks in at 6-foot-3, 226 pounds. He has 33.63-inch arms and a wingspan of 77.5 inches.

    2019 NFL Draft Expectations: Entering the 2018 season, Lock has the potential be an early-rounder if he has a good senior year. If he disappoints, he could slide to the mid-rounds of the 2019 NFL Draft."

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    NFL Draft Geek

    https://www.nfldraftgeek.com/drew-lock-next-stafford-or-next-gabbert/


    "Drew Lock | Next Stafford or Next Gabbert?

    Every draft season we try to find the next great quarterback prospect and this year the hot name is Missouri’s Drew Lock. Equipped with a strong arm Lock has been getting some lofty hype concerning being a first round pick and even some big comparisons. Here we’ll take a look at Lock’s traits and what his projection is.

    Drew Lock’s Best Strengths


    When you read or watch anything about Drew Lock the first thing you’ll probably hear about is how strong his arm is. Lock has good size with his 6’4 225lb frame he’s able to drive the ball downfield and fit the ball into small windows. In Missouri’s offense Lock is asked to make several quick throws getting the ball out fast to their receivers in space. Lock’s arm strength allows the Tigers to spread out defenses and get the ball to him as fast as possible. The further down the field he gets the arm strength continues to show up as he can drive the ball to receivers on comeback routes while the ball can just jump out of his hand.



    Most quarterbacks who have a big arm struggle with anticipation because their arm strength allows them to wait for receivers to get open and then rifle the ball in. Drew Lock will still do this at times staring down receivers till their open before delivering the pass. But he also shows the ability to see receivers getting open before they make their breaks and making the throw knowing that it will get them the ball. If Lock can continue to improve on his anticipation and learn not to stare down receivers at times he can take his game to the next level.

    Drew Lock’s Biggest Weakness


    While Buffalo Bills Josh Allen was hammered for being an inaccurate thrower, Drew Lock tends to miss on receivers more frequently and has a similar completion percentage of 54%. This is two fold as both his deep accuracy and touch cause many of those incompletions. On short and intermediate throws Lock’s arm strength can lead to laser throws that end up making it difficult for his receivers to reel them in and have lead to a few tipped ball interceptions. And despite his arm strength where getting the ball downfield isn’t an issue, the balls are often times short as he tries to drop the ball in or he can put not enough touch on them and they go over the receivers head. One one throw Lock will perfectly drop the ball into his receiver down the sideline, while the next deep ball will be short and the wide open receiver will have to slow down and dive to try and make the catch.

    Player Comparison
    You can say all you want about not liking to compare college players to current or former NFL players, but we all know NFL decision makers do it, so to ignore it would be foolish. Throughout this summer and even into parts of the 2018 NFL Draft process we’ve heard lots of players Drew Lock has been compared to. Daniel Jeremiah compares him to Patrick Mahomes while Lance Zierlein drew the Matthew Stafford comp.



    While neither media member is willing to go all in on those comparisons and they are just players that Lock reminds them of the big part of that has to do with his arm strength. Out of those two players I like the Stafford comparison a lot better, but I’m not ready to go that far. Unfortunately Lock also resembles two other players in another former Missouri Tiger in Blaine Gabbert and Josh Allen. Lock, Gabbert and Allen all have good size and arm strength but both have some major flaws with inconsistent accuracy. Who Drew Lock falls somewhere between all of these prospects and we’ll get to know him a lot more as he works through his senior season.

    Outlook
    Where does that leave us with Drew Lock? I was glad that Lock went back for his senior year because it gives him a chance to continue his development and have a chance to prove himself further. Because we cannot ignore that Lock thrived on poor competition while struggling against the best teams on his schedule. If Lock wants to be a serious candidate for the top quarterback in this class and a first round pick he needs to shore up his accuracy issues and play better against the top teams on his schedule. He’ll get a chance against both Georgia and Alabama early in the 2018 season. However as it looks now, he will face a lot of the same critiques that Josh Allen had to deal with last year."

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  6. Galant

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    Will Grier

    SCHOOL: West Virginia

    CONFERENCE: Big 12

    HT: 6’1/6'2

    WT: 214/221 lbs

    D.O.B.: 4/3/1995



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    The Draft Network:

    https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/11/19/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-will-grier/
    "Arm Accuracy –Showcases strong touch and placement skills, although skills are highly reliant on throwing platform and throwing mechanics. Natural arm talent only modest, which is compounded by his free lancing style of play.

    Decision Making –Makes terrific decisions when processing action before the snap and able to disperse the football in rhythm. Extended plays lead to too much high-variance in end result, including taking poor sacks, throwing into coverage and trying to do too much and risking ball security.

    Progressions –Life is made easier working in a wide open spread system and making a lot of primary reads elementary to make. Can be too slow to work eyes away from half field reads, often gives the impression that decisions are made prior to the snap.

    Anticipation –Has little issue with pulling the trigger before receivers have worked out of their breaks. Has ability to toss deep throws to spot areas prior to receivers banging off of their route stem. Effective spot thrower in the short areas of the field to set up RAC.

    Poise –Feast or famine vs. pressure. Will typically hold the ball and look to sidestep rushers before getting north into the LOS and looking to throw. Fully capable of making great things happen under pressure but will also generate some glaring minus plays with style of play.

    Arm Strength –Has struggled to drive the ball down the field, particularly once he’s forced off of his throwing platform. Opportunities to stand in tall or release a throw from a set base can generate ample power, zip and velocity.


    Pocket Awareness –Feel for the first arriving rusher is effective, allowing him to step or slide as needed and force a missed pressure. Secondary rushers have a tendency to force retreating from the line of scrimmage, giving ground and looking to spin away from pressure. Mixed results.

    Mechanics –Possesses an unorthodox delivery, although motion does not compromise tosses on balanced trigger pulls. Three quarters arm slot paired with sub-prototypical size poses a challenge for throwing over-top of defenders at the LOS.

    Footwork –Primarily a shotgun passer, is accustomed to a short drop before setting up on platform. Shows good dynamics in the lower half to try and generate maximum push on the football. Will turtle against interior pressure, however and balance to throw the ball will crumble.

    Mobility –Just shifty enough to break contain and get out of the pocket if given a crease. Would love to see less reps turning back to his receivers against pressure. Light on his feet within the pocket and can redirect quickly before rolling and setting up to throw.

    BEST TRAIT – Anticipation

    WORST TRAIT – Mechanics

    BEST FILM – Baylor (2018)

    WORST FILM – Oklahoma State (2017)

    RED FLAGS – None

    QB Will Grier is an exciting passer, but one lacking in some key areas that will restrict his effectiveness without remodeling his game. Grier has great flashes of spot accuracy, down field aggressiveness and extending of the play, but he’s too wild. Grier is at his best when his initial key is available, minimizing his time holding the ball. A quick passing offense would mitigate some of his issues within the pocket and allow him to dial in on his rhythm as a passer."



    "PROS: Seamless technique in his drops. Smooth operator. Has the ability to read the defense and deliver the ball with a quick release. Possesses the necessary arm strength and generates enough torque to fit the ball through intermediate windows and holes in the defense. Can throw with touch to all areas of the field. Accurate in the short and intermediate ares of the field. Aware of leverage and can hit back shoulder throws. Thrives driving the ball up the seam. Mobile in the pocket and has the athleticism to move out of structure. Off-platform throws or on the run throws are still accurate. Can offer an additional dynamic with his above average athleticism and mobility. Passionate leader.

    Cons: Doesn’t quite have an NFL build, and could stand to add some thickness. On the shorter side for QB’s, and isn’t full of strength. Accuracy can come and go on deep balls. Plays in an offense that affords him the opportunity to make a lot of throws against man coverage, and hasn’t really shown the ability to manipulate zone coverages. Though he’s able to make throws while off base, sometimes he puts himself in that situation by floating away from cleaner pockets."

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    DraftWire:

    https://draftwire.usatoday.com/2019...uarterbacks-nfl-draft-will-grier-drew-lock/5/

    "By: Gavino Borquez | January 15, 2019 5:18 pm ET

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    Will Grier | West Virginia

    There is little doubt that Grier is one of the best pure quarterbacks heading to Mobile. After deciding to transfer from Florida to West Virginia, Grier enjoyed a productive two seasons, where he threw for 81 touchdowns.

    Grier is an accurate passer, who seemingly has the arm strength to challenge most throwing windows that the NFL has to offer. There are plenty of times when he shows great anticipation as well as aggression, making some risky throws and showing a good understanding of both coverage schemes and route concepts.

    One question that I have at this point is whether Grier can maintain that level of aggression on a consistent basis, because there are times when he seems wild on his passes.

    Another thing that I’m looking forward to seeing next week is how he goes up against zone coverages because West Virginia’s spread offense forced him to make a lot of quick throws against man coverage."


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    Walter Football:

    http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2019wgrier.php

    "Will Grier 2018 Preview
    By Charlie Campbell

    Career Recap: The 2019 NFL Draft could be the year of the transfer quarterback. Jarrett Stidham - Baylor to Auburn -, Shea Patterson - Ole Miss to Michigan -, Ryan Finley - Boise State to N.C. State -, and Grier - Florida to West Virginina - could form the heart of the quarterback class with all of them going through an odyssey during their collegiate career.

    Grier started out at Florida as a recruit by Will Muschamp. Grier then became a starter under Jim McElwain and had some success, completing 66 percent of his passes for 1,204 yards with 10 touchdowns and three interceptions, before getting suspended for the second half of the 2015 season after testing positive for steroids. That suspension led to McElwain pushing Grier out of Gainesville. Grier then landed at West Virginia.

    After sitting out the 2016 season because of the transfer, Grier took over as the starting quarterback for the Mountineers in 2017. Not surprisingly, Grier lit up the weak Big XII defenses with a strong debut. He completed 64 percent of his passes last season for 3,490 yards with 34 touchdowns and 12 interceptions. Late in the season, he suffered a finger injury against Texas that caused him to miss the final two games of the year, against Oklahoma and Utah.

    2018 Season Outlook: The Mountaineers will go against a lot of weak Big XII defenses, so Grier should produce a massive stat line in 2018. He will see an SEC defense in Week 1, against Tennessee, and has a quality opponent in N.C. State in Week 3. After that, Grier should dominate his conference schedule, with his toughest opponent being Oklahoma in the regular-season finale.

    Skill-Set Summary: Grier has enough size to be a pocket-passing quarterback in the NFL. He displays some accurate passing and is adept at putting air underneath the ball to loft in his downfield throws. Grier shows nice anticipation and ball placement to lead his receivers for yards after the catch. He throws a very catchable ball and makes things easy for his receivers. Grier has composure and comfort in the pocket with the ability to be a rhythm thrower who moves the ball up and down the field. He is not a dynamic runner, but he has some athleticism and mobility to move around in the pocket. While his skill set doesn't blow anyone away, it is good enough to compete at the next level.

    There are a number of things that Grier can improve upon during the 2018 season. The most important issue for him, in this analyst's opinion, is improving his field vision for the NFL. It isn't all Grier's fault, because his college offense, and so many spread systems, have the first read running wide open, but Grier needs to work on not locking onto his primary target and working through his progressions. He needs to speed up that process and scan the field better for the NFL. Grier also could use more focus and tutelage on his footwork. That will help his accuracy at the next level.

    From a skill-set perspective, Grier's arm strength is a bit of a concern. He has a decent arm, but he has to gear up and be set in order to throw downfield. Here's how one team's scout summarized the arm strength concern with Grier:

    "Grier has good backup talent. I'm not sold on his arm. Lot of throws die on him when he can't set his feet, and the great NFL QBs have to play with a muddled pocket 75% of the time. Requires a level of twitch, core power, arm strength to get throws off with velocity from unstable platforms. Grier doesn't have that type of arm."

    Another issue with Grier is off-the-field baggage. His suspension and transfer from Florida were the result of testing positive for steroids. Sources also say that Grier and his family can be high-maintenance personalities who some teams are going to shy away from.

    According to NFL teams' preseason data provided by team sources, Grier checks in at 6-foot-2, 221-pounds. He has 9.38-inch hands, 30.88-inch arms, and a wingspan of 75.13 inches.

    2019 NFL Draft Expectations: Entering the 2018 season, Grier has the potential be a prospect for the first or second day of the 2019 NFL Draft if he has a good year. However, he will need to have a strong draft interviews to offset character concerns."

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    NFL Draft Geek

    https://www.nfldraftgeek.com/will-grier-scouting-report-video-summer/

    "This episode of the NFL Draft Geek Film Room provides a video Will Grier Scouting Report. Watch as Brian Johannes highlights what the West Virginia quarterback does well, what concerns he has and which quarterback he compares to."



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  7. Miamiforlife

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    Lock reminds me of marino a little.
    Big arm. Great junior year. Let down in senior year. I think playing against tough competition was also a plus for lock.
    I like haskins. Lock. Murray. D. Jones. In that order.
     
  8. Surfs Up 99

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    No exprt here, but if it's me, I would not consider a QB like Lock who is woeful under pressure and is awful making decisions when under pressure. The NFL is not college. QB's have to be able to make good decisions under pressure because most likely they are going to see that more than a clean pocket. So for me the #1 thing I am looking for is what is between their ears. Can they handle the pressure, do they have good pocket awareness, can they read defenses, etc.. My #2 is accuracy.
     
  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The way Quarterbacks are protected I don't understand why this constantly brought up. As long as he isn't too reckless, he should be fine.
     
  10. Galant

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    Brett Rypien

    SCHOOL: Boise State

    CONFERENCE: Mountain West

    HT: 6’2

    WT: 203 lbs

    D.O.B.: 7/9/976

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    The Draft Network

    https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/05/05/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-brett-rypien/

    "PROS:
    Super clean mechanically with an incredibly snappy release. Can threaten tight windows in the short and intermediate areas and dice up zones with his quick motion and great zip on the football. Uses his full body to generate velocity on both rope and touch throws alike, which serves career longevity and snap-to-snap accuracy. Doesn’t have pinpoint accuracy but delivers a very catchable football to almost every region of the field. Attacks windows with back-shoulder placement to protect the football. A true pocket passer who goes to secondary and tertiary progressions readily and with poise in a clean pocket.

    Can scramble to extend plays, with decent mobility and characteristic throwing motion, zip, and placement on the run as well. An excellent touch passer who can drop throws in the buckets on the sideline and between closing defenders. Maximizes YAC by hitting receivers in stride and can throw to space with good anticipation of breaks and timing. Has a pretty deep ball that he can put on the appropriate shoulder/leverage with average success. Will use legs to pick up first downs when the situation arises.

    CONS: Will lock onto first pre-snap read at times and attempt to force the ball into unnecessary windows, trusting too greatly in his own accuracy to fit the throw. In that he recruits his full body to generate velocity, does not have amazing arm strength, and throws to the sideline will peter out if he can’t set a clean base. Likewise, is strained to his limit when attacking outside of the numbers deep, and will frequently put the ball closer to the numbers than to the sideline, which gives CBs plenty of room to make a play. Panics under pressure and often makes ill-advised “hope” throws when under duress; not an escapist. Little small for NFL standards.

    – Benjamin Solak"

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    Miami Herald

    https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article224721355.html

    "ST. PETERSBURG

    It takes newcomers all of a couple seconds from the moment they walk into Shadle Park in Spokane, Washington, to understand whose the most important in the high school’s history. A No. 11 football jersey in the front hall is the first thing to greet visitors.

    Mark Rypien set passing records at the school in the late 1970s and early 1980s before starring for the Washington State Cougars, then later winning the Super Bowl Most Valuable Player Award with the Washington Redskins in 1992.

    One day, another No. 11 jersey will probably sit alongside Rypien’s. Brett Rypien, the quarterback’s nephew, rewrote the Highlanders record books earlier this decade before embarking on a four-year college career with the Boise State Broncos.

    “It’s big,” Shadle Park coach Jim Mace said of the Rypien name. “Mark’s jersey is the first thing you see basically when you come into Shadle. Brett’s number will probably be up there, too. The kids kind of know.”

    In all likelihood, Rypien will soon follow in his uncle’s footsteps again in April. The quarterback, who is spending the week in St. Petersburg for the East-West Shrine Game, is one of the top quarterback prospects in the 2019 NFL Draft.

    More than a dozen teams, including the Miami Dolphins, have met with Rypien in the Tampa Bay Area this week and Rypien should go somewhere in the middle rounds of the NFL Draft — just like his uncle did when the Redskins took him in the sixth round of the 1986 NFL Draft.

    Spokane has known for years Rypien was taking this trajectory. Even though Tim Rypien, the prospect’s father, was a minor league baseball player — the quarterback even showed up to his first youth football practice wearing baseball sliding pants — Rypien distinguished himself quickly on the gridiron.

    Mace was a defensive coordinator at Rogers in Spokane when Rypien was a freshman. Four weeks before he prepared to face the Highlanders, Rypien made his debut. Mace knew he had a challenge on his hands.

    “The name was there and there was some talk early on about this kid,” Mace said. “Spokane’s a small enough town that you kind of know playing Pop Warner ball like this guy’s going to be good.”

    He had those natural athletic genes and grew up with a former Super Bowl MVP helping him break down his playbooks.

    Mace actually coached the Pirates to a win aganist Shadle Park when Rypien was a freshman by jamming the Highlander wide receivers at the line of scrimmage and flipping his scheme from a 3-4 to a 4-3 to blitz more heavily.

    Even as a freshman, Rypien’s most obvious standout trait was how quickly he got rid of the ball — a trait which has only become more important with the proliferation of spread offenses in the NFL

    “My Uncle Mark’s always been a big part for me,” Rypien said after Shrine Game practice Thursday at Tropicana Field. “A big supporter and a great mentor, as well. A guy that I can always talk to. He’s obviously been through all this process.”

    By the time he graduated from Shadle Park, Rypien was one of the top quarterback prospects in the country, ranked as the nation’s No. 10 pro-style quarterback by the 247Sports.com composite rankings. Despite holding four offers from Pac-12 Conference teams, Rypien picked the Broncos, where he’d succeed Kellen Moore as another four-year starter in Idaho. As a senior in 2018, Rypien ranked in the top 11 nationally with 3,705 passing yards, 30 passing touchdowns and 67.3 completion percentage.

    In a Draft short on can’t-miss quarterback prospects, Rypien is an intriguing target for teams who’d rather wait and spend a first-round pick on a quarterback in one of the next two drafts — like the Dolphins might opt to do. For the last week, it’s made Rypien a popular interview target for teams who want to find a quarterback. At 3 p.m. on Saturday at the home of the Tampa Bay Rays, Rypien will get one more chance to prove why

    “I want to show what I can do,” Rypien said, “and show teams what they’re getting when they draft me.”"

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    NFL Draft Geek

    https://www.nfldraftgeek.com/brett-rypien-boise-state-best-nfl-quarterback/

    "Brett Rypien Boise State Best NFL Quarterback?


    June 11, 2018 Brian Johannes Updated 0

    Boise State has been the premier Group of 5/Non BCS school for almost two decades while producing over 30 players who have been drafted. While they’ve had Pro Bowl offensive tackles, defensive ends and running backs among quality players at receiver, linebacker and defensive backs. The real only position they’ve struggled to produce is quarterbacks. Kellen Moore has been their top quarterback but he was undrafted, stuck around as a third string quarterback, and then retired to become the Cowboys quarterback coach. Now entering his fourth year as the starter the question presents itself, is Brett Rypien Boise State Best Quarterback Prospect?

    Is Brett Rypien Boise State Best Quarterback Prospect?
    As we know, the Broncos may be in a Group of 5 Conference, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t played against good defenses or in big time games. Starting since his true freshman year Rypien has 37 starts under his belt and just over 9,800 total passing yards. Rypien has shown to operate like a basketball point guard distributing the ball to all his playmakers.



    Rypien is at his best throwing short to intermediate passes getting the ball out quick and accurate to his receivers. Whether it is operating within the pocket or on the move he’s able to show touch and anticipation leading his receivers and dissecting the defense. Showing patience Rypien is comfortable sitting in the pocket and going through his progressions to find an open receiver.

    Where Rypien starts to struggle is as the throws get deeper. Rypien shows a lot of inconsistencies with his deep balls where he can over throw three receivers in a row and then come back with a couple of bucket throws. Even when he shows more touch the ball tends to be too far inside or short leaving the ball vulnerable to being intercepted. Not have a great arm and being able to drive the ball could be the issue, Rypien will have to develop more anticiaption if he wants to be an NFL starter.

    Can Brett Rypien be an NFL Starter?
    Brett Rypien has all the makings of a West Coast Quarterback with his accuarte throws that he can making with good timing. But his projection is more of a caretaker and manager in the mold of an Alex Smith. And if he wants to reach that level of play he not only needs to learn to throw with more anticipation, but take care of the ball better. His 22 career interceptions are not awful, but he can make some crucial errors. Against Oregon in the Bowl game he three two redzone interceptions on poorly thrown balls that should not have been made. Game manager type quarterbacks cannot turn over the ball, let alone in the Redzone."

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  11. Surfs Up 99

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    It's not that. It's the chaos of an unclean pocket that I am talking about. I don't want a QB who panics if the pocket breaks down.

    I would also add, that I think a lot of evaluators look at the physical tools a QB has first and think, hey, all the guy needs is a little coaching up on the mental part. I am guessing here, but I would speculate that what washes out QBs the most comes under what we would call the mental part. Lets look at guys who have the mental part (poise, composure under duress, able to read defenses, etc.), and then see if they have the physical part. Let other teams salivate over the physical specimens. I would rather have a guy with less physical ability, but has it between the ears. Give me a guy like a healthy Chad Pennington and I would be a happy camper, but that is just me.
     
  12. Miamiforlife

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    Pennington was so hard to watch for those of us who grew up on marino. I like a big arm and attitude to go with it.
     
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  17. Galant

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    Some vids:





     
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  19. Surfs Up 99

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    Galant, thanks again for compiling all the info here and in all the other threads you participate in. It's time consuming and a lot of hard work. It really makes a difference and I just want you to know how much I appreciate it!
     
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  20. Nappy Roots

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    Agreed!
     
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  22. Sceeto

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    No mention of my boy, Easton Stick. I think he can be better than most of those others.
     
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    I hope no one continues to talk about him until it's suddenly "Wait, Miami drafted this guy in what round? What a steal!".



    Let's say Kyler Murray busts. A.) What reason do people think it will be? B.) Regardless of the reason, you know most will put it down to his height. So with that in mind, if Kyler does end up busting then does that kill any hope of that small a QB being drafted in the first round again for let's say the next 5 years?
     
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    Kyler Murray Will Be Shortest First Round QB in over Sixty Years, But He's Not as Short as Some Thought
    Will he really go number 1?
     
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    oh no. hope he means the giants
     
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  29. Surfs Up 99

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    I heard yesterday that Gil Brandt thinks Jones reminds him of Patton Manning when he came out. I am not sure if age is catching up to him, but there was a day when Brandt was a heck of a scout for the Cowboys. I didn't want Jones. I thought with him taking a ton of sacks that it reminded me of Tannehill and he struggled reading defenses. However, I realize I really don't know Jack when it comes to football and Brandt knows a heck of a lot more than me. If the Giants do not take Jones and we do, I won't be as disappointed as I would have been knowing he has such a high endorsement.
     
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    He is like Tannehill without the athleticism. A Henne if you will. His feet look like they are in cement. He looks like Ryan Mallet without being super tall
     
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    I think athletically he probably has the tools (foot work, arm strength, accuracy, etc.) if he isn't asked to run. That's okay because what really matters, to me, is what he has between the ears. That was my original concern. I think Tannehill is a smart guy, but being smart doesn't mean you are football smart. If Jones is football smart and understands defenses and also has the intangibles to make a difference I am okay that we won't use him for RPO's. Brady is about an immobile QB as it gets and he gets the job done. Many have him going to the Giants anyway, so it probably wont make a difference. We could end up with Haskins, and that might not be a bad thing.
     

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