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Discussion in 'College Sports' started by Galant, Jul 18, 2019.
And this is audio only - it's just a called calling into a local Alabama radio show (as far as I can tell), but for anyone trying to get a handle on the QB's this year, particularly Tua, I think the caller gives a good summary on the perspective many have about him. That is to say, the positive view that defends him, and his performance last year, and sees him as an elite prospect.
I have been trying, but I got distracted by the Wilson/Luck discussion. Thank you again for all you do. I am not really educated enough to intelligently discuss football (or much else for that matter), but I do like to think about who we should take in the next draft. I see tweets where some are saying we should be tanking for Lawerance and although I do think he would be a dream come true the fans and organization can't even handle one game. Imagine if we totally sucked for two seasons. If we managed to pull an Arizona and was able to draft a QB this year, and then be in a position to get Lawerance the following year then we need to run the card up there with Lawerence's name on it. That probably won't happen so our QB is most likely coming from this class and I think so far the hands-on favorite is Tua. Is that who you think we are taking, too?
I've never really followed college football before, but with the obvious interest in a QB this year I've been trying to watch what happens. Since Tua is the favourite to go #1 this year, I've tried to learn what I can about him. The big knocks on him are that he might not read defences well, nor handle a complex offense, and he can to force the ball too much. After two weeks there are signs he is improving in all those areas, with a new OC for Alabama who is calling a more complex offense, the opportunity is there for Tua to overcome his critics by improving in all areas and showing that he's not just a talented athlete and passer but a QB who understands the game, can handle complexity and pressure, and make consistently good decisions.
If he can show that then I have no doubt he'll be the top QB off the board, and assuming Miami is in position to make the selection, I think we do pick him. And if that's the scenario then I'll be happy with that. If he doesn't develop, then they look elsewhere. No one else this year seems as enticing as Tua, but then, as with him, this year is all about development. Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love both look promising. Fromm is maybe the most intriguing because he seems to be the least physically gifted but smartest - and maybe that matters more than anything else? Who will show growth this year, who will prove themselves to be worthy of an NFL pick, and who will prove themselves to be just another college QB?
That's what I'm trying to watch for.
If Tua waits a year, and no one else steps up, then either I would rather we wait one more year for what could be an even more stacked QB draft. If we don't then I really, really, really, hope that Grier knows what he's doing and finds a gem of a QB up high, or else, tries to find one low, while trading back, getting more picks, and going in for the two year plan. If Tua does wait one more year then we wouldn't need the #1 pick. Assuming Lawrence and Tua don't fall back but prove themselves then I think we should be excited about a future with either one.
PFF with an early mock draft that lists only 3 QB's going in the first round - Tua #1, then Herbert further down, and Joe Burrow as the last pick in the round.
Well said. I agree completely. We really can't afford to make a mistake here. Someone was joking about paying Ozzy Newsome a fortune to come out of retirement. Maybe he wouldn't want a full-time gig, but what if he served as a consultant to Grier? If Flores brought in Caldwell, then why not try and bring in Newsome for Grier? It's not like Ross can't afford it and he is doing everything he can ( and failing miserably) to try and make the Dolphins a contender before he's not on the green side of the grass anymore.
Front Office stuff is the hardest part of the whole equation. If drafting players is a gamble, picking a GM and even HC is worse. They'll have massive influence and you'll not know quite what will happen until you make the leap.
I know nothing of Newsome so don't have any feeling either way, but it would make me wonder what Grier is doing as GM if he can't make the picks by himself. Not that we all don't need a helping hand at times, but in terms of becoming a GM, especially winning a job over other guys and having had a history in the organisation so that your picks and philosophy could be somewhat evaluated, if you can't be trusted to make the right pick... you probably shouldn't be there.
Then again, if Tua continues to look really good, and if no other player joins him up in the spot light, then I don't see that Grier could be faulted for picking him. He's a talented guy. It may be the other picks he makes to build the team that are the tougher part of the puzzle.
Grier seems to have a collaborative personality and I think Barry was saying he relies a lot on the position coaches' input. I am not sure what to think about that. On one hand, I get it. You want to draft players that fit the scheme, etc. On the other hand, I am like you. What's he there for if he doesn't have a clue? If there is information available where someone has graded out all the GMs in the league I would like to see it. I think I know what I would see, though, and it ain't pretty for ole Mr. Grier. When teams get it right, like Kansas City, you can see it right away. The Dolphins are a clown show, so unless someone is just looking for laughs, Ross needs to be a little bit more assertive when it comes to performance expectations from the front office, IMO.
CFB Week 3
FYI if you don't already know, It's possible to have Twitter threads where if you open the original you can scroll down and read multiple other Tweets from the author. This is the case with these two below. Open them and then click show thread.
Watching the Bama vs. So. Car. game.
Tua's passing sooo reliable. I'm no analyst but early on Carolina have had pressure on the Bama OL and Tua, but they've bounced back and he seems to be making good decisions, and even when it's tight if Tua throws it's 99% of the time in the right place. It's impressive.
Just one right now that was thrown short and one earlier that was off, but beyond that, every throw is an opportunity for the receivers to do something.
Pretty cool to watch.
I'm sort of nervous for him, the pressure is there, but he keeps coming up with the goods.
EDIT - Here's Travis with a summary:
Another Twitter thread - expand it for the full list of Tweets:
Week 3 Breakdowns:
After two weeks Trevor Lawrence has gotten off to a slow start. Clemson are 2-0 but Lawrence is 5 TDs - 5 INTs with a QBR of 78.7.
The other highlighted QB's are:
Jalen Hurts 9 TDs - 0 INTs 96.8 QBR.
Tua Tagovailoa 12 TDs - 0 INTs 95.5 QBR.
Joe Burrow 11 TDs - 2 INTs 92.0 QBR.
Jake Fromm 5 TDs - 0 INTs 87.0 QBR.
Justin Herbert 11 TDs - 0 INTs 77.6 QBR.
Jordan Love 4 TDs - 3 INTs 62.3 QBR
Jalen Hurts and Tua lead the QBs in this breakdown of top college players so far.
Tua and Lawrence after wins in Week 2: