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Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Galant, Sep 19, 2019.
Yep, will be watching as many games as I can, and supporting Scotland all the way. Don't have a lot of hope that they're going to go far though. Even if we get out of our group (and I'm wary of the hosts Japan being in there), we'd likely face South Africa or New Zealand in the quarters, and that's where I expect our journey will end.
Very open WC though, can see 1 of 4-5 teams that are in with a chance of winning it (NZ, SA, Eng, Wal, Ire).
The one major issue is the time of the games. Over here there all early morning games - around 10am or the late games around middy. So I'll be working for most of them - except the weekends.
Same here, weekend games are ok, but weekday ones not so easy to watch. Luckily I can "work" from home, so might still catch a few
USA have just kicked off against England, not expected to win or even keep it close, but will be interesting to see how they do. With MLR now giving rugby players a professional option in the US, they will be a team to watch going forward in the next World Cups. Also may even host one in 2027 or 2031, as they've expressed an interest.
Tough group the USA have though in this WC, with England, France and Argentina in it. On paper, the game against Tonga is the only one where they're given a chance to get a win.
Ouch. 45-7 result.
France up next for the USA on Weds.
Edit: Just seen this - USA penalised for a bad tackle against England. Player was ejected. Horrible tackling technique. Didn't get his head down and make a mid-level hit, just seemed to go in with his shoulder to block him NFL-style, and made head to head contact at the same time. They'll need to clean up that sort of stuff.
And it's here in the highlights too at 1:31 in:
Was a terrible tackle, straightforward red card and he'll be banned for a while for that. There was no reason to even go for that kind of hit either.
On the subject of an NFL type tackle (and think that may have also been a penalty in the NFL as he could be judged to have targetted the head/neck area with his shoulder), do you think it would be a good idea for the NFL to introduce a penalty for a no-arms tackle like rugby has? I actually think it would improve the game, as using a proper tackling technique would perhaps limit the amount of missed and poor tackles in the game. It would probably also help with the concussion issue.
First big shock of the WC, with Japan beating Ireland. More than anything, it now really puts the pressure on Scotland who, even if they win out, may struggle to qualify (assuming Ireland win out, and Japan also beat Samoa to have 3 wins).
Still, good to see a 2nd tier nation beating one of the big boys, Japan did it in last WC against South Africa, but have now followed that up. There really have to be more games on a regular basis between the top 8/9 teams and the rest of the world outside the WC, if rugby is going to continue to grow.
Wales also got the upset against Australia too.
I thought the Japanese win was more impressive than their win against South Africa 4 years ago. In the South African game the Japanese were behind and didn’t look like winning until the final whistle. Against Ireland they got behind early then methodically clawed their way back into the game and for the final 20 minutes looked like they deserved to win.
I've missed most games, didn't see Japan play. Can't say I know anything about Rugby in Japan so it didn't occur to me to watch or expect anything from them. Good on the Cherry Blossoms!
Need to see if I can catch a game soon. Might be Saturday though, all the games are on while I'm at work. England vs. Argentina or Japan vs. Samoa most likely.
Japan plays a lot like Argentina. They have very solid technique and set pieces, but don’t have the athletic ability of the strongest teams. On a good day they can beat anyone as long as they keep the game tight. Once the game gets into one on one matchups in open spaces they struggle.
England - Argentina on paper is the best match, but Japan and Samoa could be a lot of fun to watch as free style Island rugby and controlled Japanese rugby is a chalk and cheese matchup.
Better display from the US. They still lost, 33-9, to the French, but it was just a 3 point game with <15 minutes left. They have a centre, Paul Lasike, who was on the Bears roster as a fullback for a while, and I really think that they will need more ex-football players switching sports to really make progress. Even good college football players, who don't make it to the NFL, would help them improve. The likes of Perry Baker and Carlin Isles, who weren't even great college players, have really helped their 7's team (2nd in the World last year).
The US rugby team has some of the best athletes in the world cup. The reason they’re getting beat is that they have a lack of technique and experience.
Even so, 2 or 3 world cups ago teams like England and France would be dropping 80+ points on the US so there has been a lot of progress over the last 10 years.
Scotland beat Russia easily to set up a huge final game against Japan. After the abomination of a performance against Ireland, Scotland have now nil'd their next two opponents while scoring 13 tries. Inferior opposition to Ireland, but still a great response to that first result.
I'm obviously rooting hard for them to beat Japan on Sunday to progress to the quarter finals, but I expect the rest of the world will be wanting to see the fairytale Japan story continue. I'll be disappointed to see them go out if Scotland finish the job though, Japan winning 3 out of 4 group games and not reaching the quarters in a home World Cup would be heartbreaking for them.
Should be some game though, Japan are no flukes and showed that against Ireland.
Rumours now that the Scotland-Japan game is going to be cancelled due to the impact of Typhoon Hagibis, which is building to the equivalent of a Cat 5 hurricane, on Tokyo this weekend. Big impact on the tournament if that happens, as a cancelled game results in 2 points to each team...which means Japan would progress!
Woah! Didn't realise that. Horrible way to settle a tournament result though...
I've only been watching the England games when they've been televised. Looks like their match vs France won't be on TV. It also would appear that only 1/2 of the QF matches are going to be televised as a scan thru the DirecTV schedule. Hopefully one of those will be England. (maybe vs Wales, ah the rematch!).
You guys mentioned the tackling techniques a bit. Football is moving more and more to rugby style tackling in their teaching of the game at the youth level. I've been coaching my son's youth football team last two years before he goes into high school next year. And they want us to teach rugby style tackling / hawk tackling, same as how the Seahawks have done it the last few years. They want to keep the head out of the game as much as possible so have turned to the sport of rugby. For ex. the defender on an angle tackle should be putting his head BEHIND the flow of the player (near hip, near foot). That is not the way I learned when I was younger (head in front). Today we've actually got a youth rugby league coach coming to our practice (second time he has) to help teach it. It's interesting because I think the more it's taught by youth rugby coaches, the more you''ll see a crossover of football players playing rugby as a way to stay fit in their offseason and continue to learn the game while they get bigger and stronger thru high school. Who knows, maybe when a kid gets older and can't continue to play football in college, they turn to rugby instead if there's a increasing demand for the sport. That is one way to grow the sport here. The professional league is another .
the music is great by the way... NBCSN.
England-France and NZ-Italy on Saturday have been cancelled. No real effect for the first game, as both England and France were going through anyway, but the second cancellation puts Italy out. They were very unlikely to beat NZ, but to have that chance taken out of their hands in a World Cup is a farce.
This was always a high likelihood with the tournament taking place during Typoon season in Japan, and the teams knew the rules in advance of the competition, but it's still a bad look for World Rugby. They should have put plans in place in advance to move games either by location or date to ensure all games are played in what is meant to be the sport's showpiece event.
The four games on Sunday, including the crucial Japan-Scotland game, are to be reviewed on Sunday morning to see what the situation is before a decision is made on them.
Bit ironic that Scotland may go out to what was nicknamed a few days ago as Typhoon Haggis (Hagibis) by some in these parts...
man that's nuts. I wonder what would happen if it had been a QF/SF or even worse the Final game itself that was cancelled? Add back on points scored throughout the tournament?
Well, the game went ahead...and Japan won 28-21. Disappointing as a Scotland fan, but Japan thoroughly deserved the win and I'm pleased for them that they now face South Africa in the quarter-finals. After the way they played in the wins against Ireland and Scotland, they have a decent chance to go further, they've played some tremendous rugby.
Probably the best match of the tournament so far. Japan getting ahead then Scotland clawing their way back into the match. It’s the biggest surprise of any World cup that Japan topped it’s group. South Africa cannot in any way let themselves take the match easy, because this Japanese side is well coached and is really fired up with the hime crowd behind them.