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2K Sports Has An NFL Licenses Again, However......

Discussion in 'Gaming Forum' started by Deus ex dolphin, Mar 10, 2020.

  1. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    Good news, but mixed expectations since the NFL license is for 'non-simulation' football. What does that mean exactly? An NFL Street or Blitz style game? A coach style game? It might mean team names/uniforms/logos, but no actual NFL players.

    Top quote from a Polygon article about this:

    It’s worth noting that 2K’s deal with the NFL only covers the names, logos, and associated elements for the league and its 32 teams — not the names, images, and likenesses of any NFL players. The two sets of rights are typically handled separately, and indeed, an NFL spokesperson told Polygon that 2K would need to sign a licensing agreement with the NFL Players Association in order to use real, current NFL players in its upcoming video games.

    https://www.polygon.com/2020/3/10/21172310/nfl-2k-sports-football-video-games-deal-ea-madden

    I'd be fine with generic rosters that can be edited. I would also have been fine if 2K Sports had gotten just an NFLPA license that allowed them to use player names and likenesses but not the NFL team names/uniforms/logos.

    At the end of the day, good news that 2K Sports at least has a foot in the door. The first game or games are in early development and scheduled to start arriving in 2021.
     
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  2. Unlucky 13

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    I suspect that it means an arcade style game without real players. Bare bones crazy time football.
     
  3. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Alright, so this one kind of hit a nerve for me, as someone that deplores Madden and everything it stands for.

    It's hilarious that 2K can't do simulation football. We wouldn't want to trounce on the toes of wittle baby EA Sports, now. If anything is more of an admission of their ****ty product, it's that they won't allow anyone to compete with Madden. What's that old, tired sports metaphor? "To be the best, you have to beat the best?" 2K hasn't even been given the chance in 10+ years.

    2K would **** them up and take over, so EA will continue to pay the NFL big money to keep 2K from making a better game, which they would surely do. 2K, however, has not been squeaky clean as of late. They've been struggling with their WWE2K series, which released last year with an absolute tsunami of bugs and rushed product quality at the time of launch and an ever-creeping presence of micro-transactions in their NBA series, which leads me to a conspiracy theory I have below.

    An aside: Yearly game installments are a plague upon the video game industry, see: Assassin's Creed Unity, it's consequent failure, and Ubisoft's peel-back on the yearly installment. These companies exchange some window dressing each year (talking sports games now, mostly) with no dramatic improvements to the core game play, resets every player's (yours and mine) assets in the micro-transaction side of these games so you and I have to repurchase them with each installment. It's so shady- but the sports fan market that buys these games and their associated micro-transactions don't know, and don't care. It's a multi-billion dollar element of the video game industry.

    Which leads me to a conspiracy theory. Something tells me that 2K showed their micro-transaction figures from their NBA2K series (which they've been ramping up more and more with each installment) to the NFL and asked if they wanted another cut of that micro-transaction pie from an NFL-licensed 2K game. This may have been one of the main factors that EA used to convince the NFL to withhold the exclusive agreement ever since micro-transactions have been included in the Madden series.

    Another aside: This news would have been exciting 5 or 6 years ago, when 2K was still making honest, really good sports games. Now, they're as focused on micro-transactions and the live-service model as some of the bigger companies out there, putting elements of their NBA series that used to be common and intrinsic to the game behind additional pay walls.

    That being said, I'm all for competition. If I was 2K, I would treat this as a faux audition, and make a game that represents the sport as close as possible without being classified as a "football sim". Their development team is more talented overall than Madden's and almost always has been. They can be trusted much more in basic football to video game aspects like hit detection and realistic animations should they choose to make a less arcadey, non-simulation style football game. My guess is it will just be another vehicle for micro-transaction purposes given the company's most recent history, but I'll be optimistic until more details about it come out.

    Also, I love how sanctimonious the title "simulation football" gets, but only when EA is threatened by competition, like they give 2 ****s about the quality and accuracy of their Madden series to begin with. I would LOVE to know the criteria for what defines something as a "simulation football" game in the eyes of the NFL.

    **** EA.
     
  4. Unlucky 13

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    EA pays the NFL and NFLPA 50 million bucks each season for the exclusive rights to make a real game every year. So unfortunately, until that ends, we're not likely to get much of an improvement, at least not in the ways that are important to me as a offline only franchise gamer.

    The league themselves won't really talk about it publically, other than making broad, bland statements.

    The NFLPA spokesman George Atallah really ripped into fans a few years ago, saying point blank that the NFLPA doesn't care if people are unhappy or not, the players just want the money.
     
  5. invid

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    I wouldn't expect any less. It's the players' jobs to get paid, not oversee the quality of a football video game.
     
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  6. Stitches

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    Pretty sure EA didn't come up with the idea of exclusivity, they were just willing to pay more for it. So they're not really admitting anything. Had they not paid, then 2k would have and the roles would be reversed.
     
  7. invid

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    No doubt, it takes two to tango, but EA had been lobbying for exclusivity a couple years before the NFL and the NFLPA had even opened bidding for it according to the timeline of this GameSpot article:

    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/b...k-exclusive-licensing-agreement/1100-6114977/

    This would have put their lobbying period in the midst of 2K's stride, probably around the time NFL2K3 and ESPN NFL Football were released.
     
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  8. Unlucky 13

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    No doubt. I remember those days well, and its absolutely no coincidence that almost as soon as they had the deal, the quality of the games tanked. Madden got better and better every single year through 2006, and then cratered before gradually crawling out of the hole. With no competition, all they care about is making as much money as they can each year, and not making a game that fans will love. Simple as that.
     
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    exclude "with no competition", it'd still be true even then.
     
  10. AGuyNamedAlex

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    On some level I think it is your job to only put your name on a quality project.

    I dont care if I bank billions for it, I'm not going to put my name on crap.
     
  11. Deus ex dolphin

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    I've seen some arguments that it's the success of the NBA2K games that has the NFL interested in bringing back 2K Sports. The NBA2K games went from selling 2 million copies in 2005 up to 12 million copies in 2019. The game attracts a lot of younger players who then become NBA fans too.

    With the growing concerns about concussions there is a downward trend of kids playing football and thus a lack of interest in watching the NFL too. Madden players are older on average, with fewer younger players being added. The NFL may be thinking they can add a few million fans by expanding the videogame football options.

    We'll found out the truth to all this in the next two years. For the record, I don't want to see 2K Sports with an exclusive NFL license, I want to see at least two competing football games on the market each year.
     
  12. Unlucky 13

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    Madden certainly doesn't market itself to older players! Not only do they mostly ignore the core experience of franchise mode now, they also have even stripped most of the stuff from online head to head. Everything is now geared towards the damn microtransactions modes.
     
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  15. invid

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    Sweet, sweet, comeuppance.

    Hopefully the #NFLdropEA movement over the weekend gets the attention of the NFL.



    Just general apathy and disdain towards their customers from the community managers. I'd posit the Madden community managers are the worst out there today.

    Funny that a sport and league built on a meritocratic ethos has one company making the games with no direct competition.

    I also love how EA secured the rights to "simulation football", relegating 2K to an arcade entry only. So what do we get? An arcade mode in The Yard and a neglected Franchise Mode.

    **** these snakes.
     
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  16. Deus ex dolphin

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    I'd love it if 'simulation' is defined by the exclusive license to mean that only EA can claim to be simulation on the box, but there is no restriction as far as game play goes.

    As I've said before though, 'simulation' is probably defined as having the actual NFL schedule and Super Bowl in the game -that may even include the conferences and division names.

    Hopefully we get some concrete details early next year as to what we can expect.
     
  17. Unlucky 13

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    EA Pays the NFL and NFLPA a crapton of money every year to be the only one allowed to make the game. As long as that continues, all of them will look the other way and not really care what gamers think about the product. The NFLPA rep has openly said so in blunt and dismissive terms.
     
  18. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The only thing that will stop it is that EA is too stop making tons of money.

    Unfortunately that is not happening.
     
  19. Unlucky 13

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    You're right. And sadly, the younger gamers like the new game, and spend wildly on the microtransactions. They haven't ever really known differently or better. Its been so long that EA made a good game, that those of us left who want a great game vs the CPU in franchise mode are all over 40.
     
  20. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Hey speak for yourself, I'm only 30 lol
     
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  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It amazes me how bad it is.

    It was getting to the point where console games were as good as Front Page Football Pro 95. Now they are barely better than Tecmo Super Bowl
     
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  22. Unlucky 13

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    I'm glad to hear it! You were still in high school the last time EA put out a title with a good franchise mode. Franchise mode as a concept barely existed when I was that age, lol.
     
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    I think the last two Madden games I thoroughly enjoyed were 04 and 06. It's been that long sadly.

    I dont mind playing online once in a while, but its not fun to me feeling like you HAVE to pick a certain team and run certain plays to be successful. I was always a much bigger Franchise mode fan, scouting, drafts, everything.
     
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    In my opinion, and many others, 06 was the pinnacle of Madden. It got better every year up to that point, and then that was it. We all thought that the new versions on the PS3 would be fantastic, and they were just a joke. It took years for the series to claw back to around where it was at the start of the PS2 era, and its never developed further from that point. Sure, the graphics are better, though that has slowed to a crawl as well, but even the gameplay is worse today than it was in 06. The gamer has less control over everything.
     
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    yea, I bought Madden in 2016 because it was on sale for $19.99. I couldn't get through 1 game it was so bad.

    I used to be one of those people who lined up at midnight at Gamestop to pick up Madden. I loved the franchise. Heck, I would buy Madden and 2k because both of them were really good at something, and it felt like every other year one would be better than the other. It was fun to see.

    I was crushed when EA got exclusive access and my predictions about what would happen were wrong because I never thought it would get this bad.

    Gameplay wise new Madden is not as good as NFL Blitz or NFL Street. Heck, even the new Mutant League Football has better collision detection as I don't see people going through players on that game.
     
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    I don't think that anyone thought the exclusive deal would be as bad as it is. I remember a lot of people being upset that 2K wouldn't make a game anymore, but since I didn't like theirs anyways, that part didn't really bother me. What did bother me was the fact that EA had a monopoly and I worried that they would slow innovation. But I never thought we'd be here all these years later having gone backwards. Its like each time they decide to rewrite the code for something, its done by someone who's less skilled than the time before. Even the screen you see when you edit players' equipment is far worse than it was in 06. I mean, how does that happen? Today's Madden is like a $20 knock off game made by a 4th rate developer trying to get their foot in the door.
     
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  27. invid

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    It's a mobile game in a console game's disguise.
     
  28. Deus ex dolphin

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    Well, any 2K football game is getting pushed to 2022.

    https://www.sportsgamersonline.com/games/football/nfl-2k-delayed-to-2022-2k-announces/

    I'm trying to see the positive of this: More time for them to build a game with depth and solid gameplay. Rushing a game out in 2021 with the expectations of the fans of 2K5 and/or APF 2K8 would be a bad move long-term. Better to delay and return in 2022 with a good-great product.

    Still hurts to wait another year though....
     
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    So real.
     
  30. Unlucky 13

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    Madden has just looked and felt weird for a while now. Its so strange that as the rest of the video game world has gotten better, looks more realistic, and the controls have felt tighter, they have gone in the opposite direction. I re-installed the game last week and played a few games, and it felt like I had less control over my passer and runner than I did on the PS2.
     

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