Hi all, Haven't posted in a very long time. But with the season ending today, I got the itch. With the #3 pick, would it be prudent to take the best available QB, and let he and Tua compete? To me, it's a win/win. If Tua beats him out, you trade him for a decent pick. If he beats Tua out, you trade Tua for a decent pick. But here is my rationale - If you swing and miss on your franchise QB pick, you lose. Period. New coaching staff, GM etc. It's what always happens. If Tua winds up not being the guy, we have to rebuild again. And Flores is a pretty good coach it seems, and we have solid players young and in their prime. The time is now to get this rebuild finished, or we will wind up perpetually mediocre again, with aging guys, etc etc. We are in the very rare and extremely unique position if having a top 3 pick this year, which is even higher than last year....to me, you can't keep gambling with Tua being at best, a question mark....you double down and parlay that pick to make sure we have twice the chance of hitting on our franchise QB. We still have a high 2nd rounder, a decent 1st rounder and a decent 2nd rounder. We can add a playmaking WR later in the first, and either more offense in the 2nd, or whatever else we need. But I think it would be silly to waste this opportunity. Thoughts?
Even for the most negative of nellies, this trade was highway robbery and could be franchise defining. Now let’s hope we can turn #3 into 3-4 more picks.
Yes you take either the best qb available and create a huge competition or try your hardest to trade up for Lawrence. The latter may be impossible but we have the most ammo to perhaps entice them if we offer everything. Regardless, I think you take a qb for sure. Tua hasn’t shown “it”. The arm strength and mobility are flat out not there.
Trade back a couple of spots and turn that into more picks, and take Chase with that early pick. Our receivers are a trash heap.
And if the QB you take doesn't show it either, you've now wasted TWO top 5 picks on QBs, especially when it's premature to write off the first one.
If is a very keyword here. I think it’s riskier not to draft another qb in this position. For one, it’s rare to have a top three pick. Two, you could waste even more time waiting on tua to become something he isn’t capable of being. There is risk both sides but at least drafting a qb puts another die on the board instead of one.
That's much less likely to happen though. Without a QB, you are dead in the water, and while Tua might still pan out, he hasn't shown anything to make us believe that as of now.
If I were calling the shots, I would take the BYU QB with the third pick, then use the 18th for a WR. Second rounders would go to a LB and a RB. What I expect the front office to do is trade the third for a couple firsts and a second and take the best available player at WR, LB or C at that spot, and the same with the 18th pick.
That's precisely why you trust Flores in this situation. He knows full well how important it is to get a true franchise QB. Thing is, based on what Flores has said about Tua's overall play and development being fairly good despite a few clunkers, I really doubt we pick a QB with our #3. If we don't pick a QB at #3, then I want a small trade back, get Chase and hopefully another WR with our #18, and then pick a top RB with our first 2nd. I do think it's a good idea to use a mid-round pick on another QB though because we need a backup (Fitz won't be here forever), and it's better that the backup is a draft pick than a vet just from a potential point of view.
And who really has in the college ranks right now outside of Lawrence? Panic move to give up on Tua now.
There is some history to support taking another QB. When Jimmy Johnson first went to Dallas he drafted Aikman and followed up by drafting Steve Walsh #2 over-all. When Aikman finally won the job outright in year 2, Walsh was traded to the Saints for a 1st round pick and a 3rd rounder.
But is it? There are 4 possibilities if you draft a second QB this coming off-season: 1) Tua pans out and the new guy doesn't, 2)the new guy pans out and Tua doesn't, 3)both pan out and you trade one or 4) neither pans out. In only one of the four did you waste two draft picks. In one you get a (probably lower) draft pick back, and in two, you wasted one draft pick.
Firm believer that you create a healthy competition for tua and draft another QB. There are more good things that come out of that situation than not. Tua rises to the occasion and you trade QB2, or QB2 becomes better and you trade tua. The whole point is finding a damn quaterback so draft a quaterback and have them go at it. The whole "Pysche" of a QB as well is just garbage. Every other position you have to compete for it, it should be no different at quaterback. Get another boy in here and push your qbs to be great. I see no issue here.
No one is saying to give up....but it's just as much a silly move to act as if Tua is still a sure thing after such an unimpressive debut. Maybe Lawrence was a sure thing, maybe he isn't. Tua was supposed to be a sure thing, but he's clearly not. Herbert was supposed to be vastly worse than Tua, but at worst he's probably equal to tua, and at best, much better. There is nothing we've seen from Tua that should make us throw away the next few seasons, young careers, and a promising coach, in blind faith with no evidence. There is absolutely no reason not to bring in competition from another top rookie. It is a win/win. And I think Tua is a great guy, so I hope he succeeds...I just want insurance incase he doesn't. And I supported him completely until this week. Not bc I'm overreacting to this week, but bc this week just confirms and drives home everything my eyes have been telling me since he first got the start, that none of us can ignore any longer with a straight face. He can still be great, but the odds seem less than when he was drafted. Let's get a other guy in and may the best man win.
QBs are a crapshoot, look at the ones that get drafted and don't make it, there is no guarantee that drafting a QB in top 10 is a sure thing, so take advantage of loading up on our early picks with young talent and hope that the circumstances around this year was more of a factor than Tua himself. The only way I would say go with a QB in first round if by miracle we acquired the #1 overall pick from the Jags, then yeah, you can't pass him up.
Your theory on possibilities doesn't work out. There are a ton more variables. It's not just great or bust. You have game managers, average qbs, above/below average. Taking a qb high every year isn't a 50/50 proposition you get a tom brady/patrick mahomes. That's not how it works. That's not to say if as an organization you believe Lawrence is "the guy". If so then you move the world to get him and trade Tua. Personally I haven't seen that but I'm not an nfl scout, I'm just a fan.
How about you surround Tua with players on offense that can actually play? His #1 WR is Devante Parker who is way overrated by Dolphins fans. He's a decent player when actually on the field. His #2 WR today was Isiah Ford a guy who Bill Belichick saw for a week and figured out he can't play football. His #3 WR today is a converted college quarterback who Jon Gruden took one look at and decided he can't play football. His #2 WR for most of the season is solely a kick returner on most NFL teams.
If you want competition, you probably bring in a middling veteran - like what the Titans did with Tannehill and Mariota. Someone like Cam Newton, Tyrod Taylor, Andy Dalton. You don't draft another QB unless you really think you missed on Tua. The clunkers are definitely concerning, but he's had some good games and lots of good throws. He's a rookie coming off a major injury and Covid-erased offseason playing with an iffy OL and a total lack of playmakers at the skill spots. Very premature to entirely write him off.
I don't think anyone is opposed to bringing in quality WRs. But you can draft quality WRs in the 2nd and we have two picks there. This is the highest draft pick we've had in years, and basically our only chance to get a do-over at acquiring a franchise QB.
It's a draft pick, not a date with a girl. Your shot is on every player in every round. I suppose if we just forget to take anybody over the entire seven rounds... Then yeah your quote applies.
No, the quote applies because the Fins have passed on quality QBs over and over in previous drafts because they thought they had their QB and they were wrong.
For the most part that's just QB wasteland - you have to be REALLY lucky to even get a decent back-up, let alone a guy who can compete for a starting spot.
Hmm gimme Ja'marr Chase, take a QB with our pick. I want another play maker and a QB after we leave the first round. That is of course unless you're a huge Trevor Lawrence fan, and assume he stands out from the pack of QBs on his own merit then you might take him first. Personally I'm not a believer
Why are some actively rooting to double down on Tua after this season? Other than just blind fan loyalty and optimism...what from this season are you basing it on?? We have nothing to lose by drafting competition with the #3, other than your blind belief/optimism that Tua is a superstar. Literally nothing else to lose. It seems some are fighting more to keep the dream alive, than some tangible actual reason not to draft competition. Bc drafting competition means that Tua is not definitely a superstar, and that sucks, so some don't want to accept it. Don't tell me what we DIDN'T have (i.e., no playmakers), we all agree that we need better playmakers, but what did you see that Tua DID have, that makes you so sure he's promising and all he needs is a few playmakers to become an elite starting QB with Superbowl upside?? He doesn't seem to have great accuracy... After the first few games, he wasn't good in the redzone.. He hasn't thrown deep really at all (no passes over 35 yards) He isn't a great scrambler or running QB.. He wasn't reading the field very well. He threw many dropped INTs, so if you want to figure in WR drops, figure in dropped INTs too... I mean, I'm not trying to bash the guy, but sometimes I see with sports fans, just blind allegiances to Coaches or Players based on nothing but just the logo on their uniform. To be fair, I do think Flores is going to be a good coach, bc there is evidence of was he DOES do well, to go with talent deficiencies and growing pains we can also identify. I am hoping Tua turns the corner as much as anyone, but being honest with myself, I can't find something he DID show, that would lead me to believe he's the guy....only things we can try to improve around him to hope maybe it elevates his game ...
It worked for the Titans, as I literally mentioned. Ultimately it depends more on Grier and Flores - if they believe in Tua then QB is a moot point. If not, then expect more of a situation like the Cards the other year where we trade Tua for a lower draft pick and draft a new one. Difference is, unlike the Cards, we don't hold the first overall pick and would likely be taking the 3rd or 4th QB. If Fields somehow dropped, I'd be more excited.
The only hope here is that we get Aaron freaking Rodgers. No other FA qb is coming on the market that was the calibur of tannehill, And no im not comparing Rodgers to tannehill but there are no other qbs coming on the FA market that match Tannehill's skillset. If GB is dumb enough to let him go then that would be our dream situation if we could sell a SB run down in Miami.
I wouldn't say they missed on every qb. I think at this point it's safe to say that Tannehill was clearly a good, not great, qb if you placed him in the right system. I would argue our problem has been hiring the wrong head coach for the last decade. I will state again, if you absolutely as an organization believe, Lawrence, Fields, Wilson is "the guy" you take him. However, you trade Tua then and there otherwise you risk killing any value he might have going forward. Personally, I think you give Tua another year with better weapons, and a more rounded o line. After that if he still struggles than sure sell the farm. Qb is a position that is available in every draft and there is a new darling every year.
Completely valid opinion, although we disagree strategy-wise. You make a good point insofar as, we will get a lesser pick for Tua if he loses a training camp competition as opposed to trading him before a competition ever occurs. The other point that stands out to me is about a new "darling" every year. I truly think Tua was a darling last year. And that's why I hated the whole tank for tua thing. Just like suck for luck. He was good, but no Superbowls or anything. I don't think any QB is a sure thing, and teams should consistently be looking until they have a proven guy. Just like all other positions.
While I get what you're saying, that's not exactly the best example. As soon as Tannehill was traded, Vrabel made it perfectly clear that Mariotta was the starter and Tannehill himself talked about how that was a bitter pill to swallow.
