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$33m Cap room left

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Jt0323, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. Jt0323

    Jt0323 Fins Up! Luxury Box

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    Guessing Ellerbe has a cap number around $3 million and Wallace around $7-8 million for this season. Dolphins have $33m after cutting Dansby

    Where do we go from here?
     
  2. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    woot what about starks and hartline and moore and clemons ?
     
  3. surferosa

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    Thats nuts. Lots of money!
     
  4. Sumlit

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    Jake Long for 7M. Do it!
     
  5. vizi0n

    vizi0n Boom.. Club Member

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    Talk to keller... Plz

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  6. ether79

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    Long at the right price, maybe Keller, and sign a CB once the market is settled and set.
     
  7. JdReimon

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    Also have to factor in Clemons.
     
  8. Anonymous

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    I don't think this is correct.
     
  9. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    hopefully get some help at tight end and some secondary help, and maybe bring jake back.
     
  10. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Look for TE, wait for Jake Long's trip back from St. Louis, wait for CB market, extend Reshad Jones (Pouncey too maybe?). In that order.
     
  11. Berezo

    Berezo Well-Known Member

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    Jake Long, do it.
     
  12. Serpico Jones

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    Jake Long and Dustin Keller!
     
  13. seabass0795

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    Long, Keller/Gibson, Jennings?, a CB
     
  14. vizi0n

    vizi0n Boom.. Club Member

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    Got a link that has our left over cap info?

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  15. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    we don't have that much room... that #, which I believe is just a guesstimate jt? Is incorrect. We were between 30 and 31 million this morning before the start of free agency. if we saved $4m on Dansby, that puts us at $34 to 35m. Ellerbe and Wallace are costing us (I'm guessing) at least $10m... $3m for Ellerbe, $7m for Wallace. That leaves us at $24 to $25m.
     
  16. vizi0n

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  17. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Here's what I go by.

    The Dolphins had $37 million in cap space. They signed Brian Hartline to a deal that averages $6.2 million a year. They signed Matt Moore to a deal that averages $4.0 million a year. They signed Mike Wallace to a deal that averages $13.0 million per year. They cut Karlos Dansby who was due $15.1 million in 2013 & 2014, and signed Dannell Ellerbe to a deal that averaged $7.0 million a year.

    Assuming the deals for Wallace and Ellerbe were not particularly backloaded, although the contract for Ellerbe seems high so it wouldn't surprise me if it was...I would assume that the CASH FLOW matches the averages. So in this case I would say Miami has about $11 million worth of long term money they should focus on spending (already subtracting draft money).

    Yes I'm sure they actually have $30 million left or some such number but that's only because they've shifted cap burden from 2013 into the future. It would be wise if they maintained the appropriate amount of cap space in 2013 so that they could transfer it into future years to OFFSET that increased burden.
     
  18. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That says one more big signing and we're done, if even one more.
     
  19. Nappy Roots

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    Dont we have to spend a certain percentage of cap this year though?
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Hypothetically if Miami only spends $20 million in cap room this season, couldn't they transfer the extra $10 million next year?
     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Not yet
     
  22. frags

    frags New Member

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    Take $6.5-7m off of the consensus number for draft picks and I think we have at least 2-3 more moves left in us. Remember that a new rule is being put into place where teams have to spend an average amount of cash over a 4 year period (5?) or risk a penalty.
     
  23. frags

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    You could do so by using a bonus that the NFL would deem "likely to happen/likely to be earned" such as "Special Teams Performance." Example: Pay a player an extra $3-4m for special teams performance for this year and never play him on special teams. The money would carry over to next year. Teams often do the inverse, because the NFL is a win now league, but this strat is very effective to move money into the future.
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Not in the contract. However the new CBA allows unspent money to be transferred to the next year. I don't know the exact rule, however I do know Miami had an extra 5 million this year because of that rule.
     
  25. Springveldt

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    I don't think we have $33M left as Ellerbe just replaced Dansby but we still have to take the Wallace and Clemons deals off. Including rookies I'd guess we still have around $20M.
     
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  27. ToddPhin

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    we can still cut Carpenter & Patterson to free up roughly 7 million.
     
  28. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The more this Free Agency progresses the more I think Patterson stays. Carpenter.. I don't know. Marshall.. I don't know.
     
  29. ckparrothead

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    Yes, and I believe they're going to, IMO
     
  30. ckparrothead

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    So again here's my napkin math for how I view the Dolphins longer term salary situation.

    Starting Cap Space: $45.4 million

    Randy Starks: -$8.4 million
    Brian Hartline: -$6.2 million
    Matt Moore: -$4.0 million
    Mike Wallace: -$13.0 million
    Dannell Ellerbe: -$7.0 million
    Phil Wheeler: -$5.2 million

    Karlos Dansby: +$7.6 million
    Kevin Burnett: +$5.0 million

    Rookies: -$3.0 million

    Remaining Cap Space: $11.2 million

    The one missing is Chris Clemons because we haven't heard what he re-signed for. It's a one-year deal.

    Again this is how you think of the LONG TERM cap space and allocations for your team. The Dolphins appear to still have about $20-21 million under the 2013 salary cap due to the "borrowing" effect of bonus accrual practices. But the Dolphins would be wise to set aside 2013 salary cap space that they can transfer into future years in order to lessen the burden of those future accruals.

    Based on this, I believe there is a shoe yet to drop with Jake Long and the offensive tackle position and that could be worth up to $8 or $9 million. I think he's in St. Louis gauging how much they'll offer him, but I don't think he actually likes free agency and I think once he sees that they're not offering him much, he'll come back to Miami with his tail between his legs. The Dolphins will not actually have much LONG TERM money to play around with anymore for the corner position after that, but they can free up more of it by releasing Dimitri Patterson who accounts for $4.5 million. That would free up about $7 or $8 million to address the corner position in replacing Sean Smith.
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Why does Randy Starks count? He is also a one year deal.
     
  32. ckparrothead

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    Because that's what they have allocated to the position and player, and when he leaves they will have to replace him.
     
  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Not if they draft one in the first two rounds.
     
  34. ckparrothead

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    And when that happens, and that pick looks worthy of taking over for Randy Starks, and the Dolphins go ahead and execute that plan, they will have saved $8 million. But for now, they're not.
     
  35. Larryfinfan

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    some where (sun sentinel) I think they called it as $7m cap hit for Wallace this yr and ellerbe/Wheeler was a wash in cap hit of savings for Dansby/Burnett? Next yr (2014) cap hits higher?
     
  36. Larryfinfan

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  37. DearbornDolfan

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    Okay, we know that before the opening of free agency the Phins had 31 million. By cutting Dansby (3.9 million) and Burnett (3.2 million), the Phins added 7.1 million to that; so we're at 38.1 million before any signings. Wallace is only costing the Fins somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 million against the cap, Ellerbee is only going to count for 4 million, and Wheeler is costing the Phins 2.4 million. That leaves about 26 million for cap space, which is plenty.
     
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  39. frags

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    You can through this mechanism:

    http://football.calsci.com/SalaryCap2.html

    Regardless, if the CBA terms work in the fashion you mentioned, then it yields the same result, so long as you bypass the new terminology concerning spending money.
     
  40. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    yeah, if that is accurate, we're nowhere near finished. Jake Long is the elephant in the room. And then there's the tight end situation. I reckon we'll know in the next 24 hours where we're headed in regards to those two.
     

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