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3rd and 9...run play Philbin strikes again.

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  1. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Cost us the game and maybe the playoffs. Can't call that with Rogers on the other sideline. Can't do it. If their D gets a sack so be it, you can't call that play and give Rodgers 2 minutes to beat you. Cowardly coaching by the Phins. Just can't play not to lose.
     
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  2. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Yup. 100% agree.
     
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  3. ET7

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    not only that you call a ****ing time out when GB has none and is panicking out of breath? **** YOU PHILBIN **** THE POWER STRUCTURE OF THIS TEAM.
     
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  4. NyPhinfan

    NyPhinfan Season Ticket Holder

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    The 2nd and 9 play on that series is what cost them the game. Took all of 4 seconds off the clock and stopped the clock. No way Green Bay gets that ball back before the 2 minute warning. No Way. That makes me sick
     
  5. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    That the one where THILL threw it away instead of taking the sack?
     
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  6. vizi0n

    vizi0n Boom.. Club Member

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    The absolutely coward approach when we have the ball and a timeout when they are on the ropes on a 4th down play... You sackless piece of **** Philbin.

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  7. heylookatme

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    It was a terrible decision because he had already committed to trying to get the first down, rather than running out the clock. Why change strategy at the last second? If Tannehill checked into the run, that's on him, btw.
     
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  8. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    True, I can't imagine Tannehill opting for the run play but if so its on him. And I agree, we already were playing like the first down was the goal, not just killing clock so it makes no sense to not go for it on 3rd and 9. The main thing to me is that this isn't the Bills or Jest, this is one of the best Qbs of this ERA, a HOF Qb in his prime. You go for the game on offense. Period.
     
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  9. pumpdogs

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    Not to mention both starting corners on the bench.
     
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  10. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I mean. There are a lot of things that happened prior to that play that.

    Tannehill throwing the ball away was a poor decision. Taking a sack there is OK. The clock keeps running. Instead he throws it away, clock stops.

    A run play there was a horrible call. I agree. Once Tannehill throws the ball away, you have to know you can't even take it to the 2:00 min warning. So, you have to get a first down because they have plenty of time. It was just terrible.
     
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  11. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Philbin is a coward.

    Ross is a coward who loves Philbin.

    Two guys scared of their own shadows does not make for a championship team.
     
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  12. Bpk

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    It's the sort of thing that makes you question if someone is a good enough leader to get a team into the playoffs.

    I think Philbin has emotional issues. Seriously.
     
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  13. IdrA

    IdrA Rebuilding for Eternity.

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    Philbum needs TRT.
     
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  14. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Miami Dolphins ‏@MiamiDolphins 1m1 minute ago
    Philbin: Green Bay deserved to win the game. They made more plays in the 4th quarter. #GBvsMIA

    Get rid of this clown now. That's such horse crap.
     
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  15. finwin

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    Why did Philbin brush off Coyle prior to halftime. There seemed to be some discourse there. This is going to get ugly.
     
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  16. Buckeyetroop

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    Fields's punt didn't help either. He's money until you NEED a big kick.
     
  17. Alex44

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    I thought the punt and offensive play calling were far worse than the time outs which I actually understood. Though I'd put the punt on the coverage. He got it down to the 20 abd there were guys there to make a play.

    Coyle needs to go though. His brand of defense is just trusting the offense will shoot itself or that your defense can make one big play. He doesn't attempt to dictate the game. He needs to go ASAP.
     
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  18. ElNino

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    Its a bad call because they lost. We had been ripping off 10 yards a run play quite a bit. If we pass and tanny throws a pic, or even just incomplete to stop the clock, everyone freaks too.

    The defense had played well all day. It almost worked. But the D couldnt make a stop on 4th and long or 5 yards out on last play.

    Still has the overall feel of Offense letting defense down though.
     
  19. ABrownLamp

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    Not in Clearwater!
    the third down run was fine. Probably one of the smarter plays of the last 3 min.
    What happens if they pass on third and its incomplete again..... More time for aaron rodgers.
    As it is they last play came down to 6 seconds.
     
  20. Springveldt

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    No it's a bad call because it was a gutless, give up play. He willing gave the ball back to one of the best QB's in the league and got exactly what he deserved.

    I am so ****ing sick of Philbin and his stupid, gutless decisions.

    Tannehill was on fire in the second half, a first down there and the game is won. Instead he chose to punt.
     
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  21. ElNino

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    Yup. I think at the end of the day, after the adrenalin has settled, our offense just needs to take another step to consistently beat teams. We're close, and im not ready to fire philbin mainly because as jon gruden noted with the raiders, having a new regime every two years makes it hard to compete. We lost a close game, it sucks, but Tampa Bay should panic, not us.
     
  22. ABrownLamp

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    Not in Clearwater!
    I think very few of us looked at the schedule this year, saw Green Bay and assumed that was gonna be a win.
    One or two plays go down differently and this is an entirely different dôlphins forum
     
  23. Rosco 35

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    hi guys I am new here and have to say this game gave me a migraine the first half was no fun at all. First Lamar Miller ran ten yards back for a loss I saw a hole but he must not have seen it. we couldn't pass or run very good in the first half I think Tannehill and Philbin must go you cant win against good teams if you play one half of bad to horrible offense . sure the second half was a different story. nevertheless , we need to score more points in the first half.

    I was pleased with Miller in the 2nd half but we stuggled to score points in the 2nd half . we have a good defensive line . but our linebackers and secondary seems suspect to me.
     
  24. finfansince72

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    Getting the first down was the game, we lost the game on that play. Since we passed on 2nd you have to throw on 3rd, there was no justification for it.
     
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  25. ElNino

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    But if he runs and gets the first down, hes got balls of steel. Philbin showed guts on 4th and goal going for it...happy about that one?
     
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  26. Patssuck

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    And if he fumbles the ball taking a sack..... Tannehill get moving
     
  27. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Didn't they throw before that? I'm already trying to forget this s--t. But you don't go from throwing it to try and get a first down to then playing it safe. Make up your damn mind. Either play it safe with 3 straight runs to use even more time and get it under 2 minutes (which also would've made time run out for GB). OR go for a big first down on all 3 plays, not just the first two. Don't try both, it failed miserably.

    Really what they should've done is run the ball on all 3 downs with a Miller/Moreno mix rather than throw it. Maybe you get a first down, if not you run more clock and punt. BUT if you're going to throw on 1st/2nd like they did, then do it on 3rd, don't clam up. You aren't playing Geno Smith.
     
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  28. ABrownLamp

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    Not in Clearwater!
    Uh, there were plenty of plays after that one. It was third and long, which is a low percent passing play.

    the justification for runnng is to reduce the amount of time Arron Rodgers has to get the ball into the endzone. What do you mean there's no justification? Do you understand what happens when there's an incomplete pass?
     
  29. pmj

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    Exactly.
     
  30. ABrownLamp

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    Not in Clearwater!
    Good analogy. This whole forum is a bunch of second guessing of plays that could have gone either way.

    Except for that last defensive play to the endzone, that was garbage.
     
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  31. brandon27

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    That wasn't showing guts, that was showing his stupidity. You take the points that early in the game IMO. If we kick the FG there, the GB touchdown at the end of the game sends us to OT instead of another one in the L column.

    He's inconsistent, he's lost, he's unsure of himself and everything he does. Reminds you a bit of his QB doesn't it? I wonder why... attitude reflects leadership.
     
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  32. Springveldt

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    Yes actually, I am happy he went for it on 4th down as I felt it was the correct call even if the play didn't succeed.

    I'm not happy with the run play, they already tried to pass on 2nd down so show some balls and ask your QB to win the game on 3rd down. You already know the defence is selling out so it makes it an even easier call.
     
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  33. finfansince72

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    Dont be snide, we obviously all know that the clock stops on an incomplete pass. The problem was that we passed BEFORE that 3rd down, you have to go for it after that, you have to. If we make that first down the game is over, we don't get it and Rodgers has a great chance to beat us. We saw how it ended so its not like we went on to win. You can't give great Qbs chances to win out right like that. We played not to lose again and lost. This is a trend with Philbin who just can't make the correct calls to get the win.
     
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  34. djphinfan

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    it's more complex than that, they called two run plays after they were put in a 2nd and 3 rd and long, both coming against full on blitzes..

    Lazor should of had a counter or misdirection because if you watch it, they sold out on both plays with no regard for containment.
     
  35. Galant

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    It definitely is a trend with Philbin, that much is clear. He is defensive and has no (or suppresses) any killer instinct. Additionally, I think he's too detached. Probably his whole mentality/personality type. He'll be a numbers man, a theorist. He lives in his own world. That in itself isn't bad. Some of the world's best visionaries and adventurers are like that. The big difference is whether your own world proves to be the real world, and not a fantasy. Additionally, if you don't know how to connect with the real world more fully, especially in a team, that can be fatal.

    For me, what I see, is a lack of faith in Tannehill. I don't think it's personal, he may not even be thinking about Tannehill specifically. I think he plays things out in his mind, according to his own rules, and makes calls. The problem is I don't think he factors in reality well enough, the specifics of any given situation. So instead of letting any faith in Tannehill override any general principles/plans, or despite anything that the opposition might have shown, he carries on detached.

    So:
    1 - Lack of killer instinct.
    2 - Too detached.
     
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  36. Dolphins1Beatles

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    I know but on the flipside we've seen cases where a new coach went into a team with talent and completely changed it, like Harbaugh in SF or the other Harbaugh in Baltimore. The Dolphins have WAY more talent than the Raiders and Bucs, and its frustrating that they stay in the same 6-8 win place. What does it take to get them over the mediocre hump? Its either coaching, QB, or both.

    Dolphins have a solid defense that held Aaron Rodgers in check for most of the game. Secondary isn't outstanding but it is certainly good, and the D-Line is a top unit. There is a strong running game. An improved O-Line. Tannehill is still a question mark, but they should still get into the playoffs with this team. Coaching seems like the big problem.
     
  37. HardKoreXXX

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    I hate this strategy. You're basically playing not to lose by doing this. Aaron Rodgers beat us even with that, so obviously it didn't matter.

    You go for the win. Your QB was on fire in the 2nd half. If he hits a 9 yard completion you win the game. FOH with running there.
     
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  38. Galant

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    "Until the final touchdown, Miami held the Packers to just 20 points, and the defense just needed to execute on a single play to walk away with a win. Instead, Philbin allowed the Packers to gain the advantage by regrouping twice, and with an all-world quarterback and deep receiving core, executing on a few plays isn’t as hard.
    Philbin’s excuses and lack of accountability are astounding. The Dolphins have a talented roster, and their second-half performance should give the team confidence they can compete with almost any team in the NFL. But overcoming their head coach in the final 11 games will be a major challenge, if not impossible."

    Ian Wharton - BR
     
  39. Without hearing any presses I already know philbin will lay the blame on the players for not executing rather than accepting responsibility for blowing the calls

    He is not growing into his job and when they win its despite of him not because of him
     
  40. NyPhinfan

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    It is hours later and I am still fuming. You either go for the first down or you try to kill the clock. You can't do both! The minute you got cute on 2nd down and threw the ball and killed all of 4 seconds off the clock( 4 friggin secs!) you then have to try and get the first down on 3rd and 9. You don't gamble on the first two downs and then try to worry about the clock on 3rd down. If you had any sort of capable time management on that series, Green Bay gets the ball back with under two minutes to play with no timeouts and no two minute warning to stop the clock. Does anyone even tell Tannehill at that point that a sack is better than an incompletion? Isn't that part of what someone should be telling him in his headset?? It's mind boggling how inept we played those last few minutes
     

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