a BA for 11,000? Fun article
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In the best universities, we find mega-classes of 500 to 1,000 students. Lower division students sit in huge lecture halls and listen to a professor give a lecture that could just as well be in a digital format on a server. If an Ivy League school charges $35,000 a year for tuition, that is $1,166 per semester credit. So, a college generates well over $10,000 per student per one-year mega-course. The student is taught by a $20,000 per year graduate assistant, who runs discussion sessions. Put 1,000 students in a lecture hall for a year, and the school earns gross revenues of $10 million.
Is this worth the money? Parents think so. Donors think so. Students think so. Why? Because of the perceived prestige of the diploma. Also, the parent thinks the student will make personal contacts with high-earners.
Is this strategy working? No. Has it ever worked for most students? No. But the myth goes on. It has gone on for centuries.
A student can earn a B.A. from an accredited college by taking CLEP exams and courses by examination from anywhere in the country. The liberal arts degree will cost as little as $11,000. A student can stay at home – room and board – and work part-time in a local business, learning the basics of that business. Maybe he or she can graduate in three years. I am working with an 18-year-old who has a B.A. He got it while he took his high school work. He was home schooled.
Is a $200,000 degree from an Ivy League school going to pay off with lifetime income 18 times higher than someone who paid $11,000 to get a degree at a no-name college? Not likely. Yet there are ten applications for every freshman slot at the big-name schools. These students are the best and the brightest.
This is no bubble. This has been going on since 1636 in Harvard's case. Parents want to get their children certified as the best. They will pay the price. Is this foolish? I think so. But let's not call it a bubble. A pricing structure that works for almost 400 years is not a bubble. It has worked in Europe for 900 years.
Parents are buying a consumer good. "My child just got into ." The parent gets bragging rights. He does not perceive this as a neon sign over his mortgaged front door that says, "Sucker!"
Then in year three the kid drops out. What is the investment worth then?
The horror stories are grist for journalism's mill. Some girl borrows $100,000 to get a B.A. degree in some useless liberal arts field like art history. She is now unmarriageable. No young man wants to add $100,000 to his debt. I have a department devoted to these stories.
Parents can read lots of articles on how this is a bad idea, but nothing changes. The lemmings continue to pour in. The "Time" article in 1971 changed few minds. The stories on "Is college a bubble?" will change few minds
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north975.html
Fun stuff, on the precipice of returning to college myself the CLEP function is a cost and time saving measure that is often overlooked as the thinking goes, if you are advanced enough to pass the class, then why not take it for an easy A to pad the GPA if there is another class that you may not do as well in?
I also tend to agree with the writer that the actual worth of a college degree, in context of the 200k or 100k price tag is shaky, not as unsustainable as the writer claims but simple math shows if that money was invested in a retirement account, or into a successful business the return on investment can exceed the cost of not getting the degree.
The time value of money at work.
If you would like to make a billion dollars, coordinate the service that lets students 'bid' on accredited online courses from various schools (orbitz style). That supply and demand dynamic and will make college cheaper. They can take Econ 101 from Middle Tennessee, Psych 102 from Northern Illinois. Use only brick-and-mortar 'known' (prestigious) institutions, none of the U of Phoenix crap. Move all these online courses into an iTunes type platform, let them download courses that expire at the end of the semester. Take your 20% cut off the top.
Give them a degree from your umbrella institution. U of Padre31. Boom.
That, I think, approximates the future of higher ed.
No undergrad degree is worth more than 30K total IMO.
"pocoloco wrote:
If you would like to make a billion dollars, coordinate the service that lets students 'bid' on accredited online courses from various schools (orbitz style). That supply and demand dynamic and will make college cheaper. They can take Econ 101 from Middle Tennessee, Psych 102 from Northern Illinois. Use only brick-and-mortar 'known' (prestigious) institutions, none of the U of Phoenix crap. Move all these online courses into an iTunes type platform, let them download courses that expire at the end of the semester. Take your 20% cut off the top.
Give them a degree from your umbrella institution. U of Padre31. Boom.
That, I think, approximates the future of higher ed.
No undergrad degree is worth more than 30K total IMO.
Well, believe it or not you actually could do that now using the Credit Bank service from Regent University via online courses, the problem is each institution does not simply let you take classes, you still have to go through registration and acceptance policies at each university but Regent holds the ultimate Degree and issues your transcript and credentials.
"pocoloco wrote:
No undergrad degree is worth more than 30K total IMO.
I disagree. I think if you earn the right degree it can be worth a lot more. A degree in computer science is absolutely worth more than $30k in my opinion. But, a degree in anthropology or psychology isn't worth very much IMO.
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I can tell you from personal experience a degree in anthropology ain't worth that price
You think it's to late for Obama to get his degree in economics????;)
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"pocoloco wrote:
I can tell you from personal experience a degree in anthropology ain't worth that price
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Funny thing is, most accounting degrees lead to jobs at first involve the grunt work of inventory control.
I've talked to Personnel dept types and they are mixed on the value of a phoenix degree, some say it is fine, some do not like it as it requires less discipline as regular on campus degree.
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