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A bit more on the Martial Arts Coaching

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Jun 9, 2009.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    The specialist Coach has a blog giving some details on which players seemed to excel at the program:

    http://mikestormskarate.blogspot.com/2009/05/miami-dolphins-news-and-update-1-mike.html

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    This is a bit troublesome:

    I am always a bit dubious about people who claim "super secret techniques" but overall, he seemed to be well received by the staff and players, there are 5 blog entries in all and they do contain some insider stuff from the special coaches point of view.

    Worth the read.
     
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  2. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I liked this part:

    I have a great conversation with starting QB Chad Pennington. He tells me "IF the receivers cant get something out of this, that is messed up, this is awesome training!"

    I've always felt that MA parry and block techniques were very applicable to WRs.

    And yeah, "secret techniques" is bit hokie. It would have been better if he had said "proprietary".
     
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  3. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What's wrong with saying secret techniques?

    I mean, this guy learned his craft from his "master", while others learned their similar craft from another "master". Who is to say they were both taught the exact same ciriculum?

    I personal friend of mine is in Japan now training for additional levels of black belt in Aikido. As soon as he defeated his master, he decided to go for additional spiritual and technique training. If he comes back, and starts a new Aikido school, he'll know more techniques compared to what his ex-master is teaching his new class.

    It isn't far fetched.

    As for the MA on the field, our players can only benefit, DEs, OLBs, and WRs. I'm hoping this helps Ginn get separation off of bumps.
     
  4. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    It's not far-fetched, it's hokie and old-fashioned. It's every saturday morning kung fu theater movie I ever watched. "My snake technique will defeat your crane style."
     
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  5. azfinfanmang

    azfinfanmang Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Gotta be careful about learning secret techniques from the master.
    All seems good, but eventually they will find you hanging by the neck and testicles :shifty:


    Sorry, it was ripe for the picking
     
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  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    That, and it's a sort of gratuitus manner of speaking IMO.

    I liked this part:

    That is exactly what was hoped for in the other thread, it would perhaps be better if they hired them for full time work simply because a new skill requires lots of dedicated practice, perhaps as many as 1,000 repetition before it is imprinted in athletic memory and the move just comes instinctively..

    Phinsrock posted a comment Rafael if we would be fortunate enough for a visit to happen wouldn't want to be untoward.
     
  7. cnc66

    cnc66 wiley veteran, bad spelur Luxury Box

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    I heard that will even kill Bill.


    How can this hurt.. learning how to shed someones hands or garner better leverage is a good thing..
     
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  8. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I've done different martial arts, and there are no such things as secret techniques from a good trainer. These arts were taught for various reasons throughout the world, but most were taught to peasants in poor countries so they could defend themselves against nobles in certain situations.

    It was in the interest of absolutely no-one to keep techniques hidden within a certain area.

    That doesn't mean he cant know DIFFERENT things, but they are not SECRET things.
     
  9. PhinsRock

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    The whole team is welcome to come to my house, I will gladly give them paint brushes & paint, and car wax. They can train the Karate Kid way: wax on, wax off, paint stroke up, paint stroke down. No charge, I will even pay for the paint and the wax. :lol:
     
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    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Very generous of you Mr. PhinsRock, now show me wax the floor...:lol:
     
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  11. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I am thinking any body who pursues the ball carrier with a blocker in their face can benefit tremendously by some Aikido training. Basically the front 7.

    You should drop Sparano an email, have your friend teach them.
     
  12. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    Ahh sooo, domo oregato, I forgot this ancient tecnique. I will gladly add to list, PadreSan. :lol:
     
  13. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You know, I don't think Aikido is applicable to football. IMO, it is the best martial art out there, but it is all based on a spiritual circle around one's body, coupled obviously with leverage, pressure points, etc.

    But, it is all based on arcs around this imaginary, spiritual circle, and all the body movements are smooth arcs that typically follow the path of this circle, with the artist being at the center.

    So, although Aikido is great, one has to be stationary and balanced for the moves to work with great success. I don't see it being as applicable as other arts for football as the moves have to be done on the run.
     
  14. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    There is no such thing as a best martial art IMO. Everything has a weakness that is exploitable by another.
     
  15. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That is why I said IMO.
     
  16. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, the Staff seems to know that and made certain that both hand techniques and footwork would be taught.

    When you only have 2.6 seconds to reach the Qb, there is time for one, maybe two moves to be used.
     
  17. AquaBlitz

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    I heard that Buffalo is also doing this martial arts training with their defensive linemen. It's interesting to see teams branching off in other directions to improve their players opposed to the standard dummies they hit in practice.
     
  18. TiP54

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    Interesting Stuff.
    Thanks padre.
     
  19. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I'll be polite. :up:

    And the truth is I respect all martial arts and the commitment of anyone who puts in the work to get good at them. I just don't believe that any MA is better than any other or that there are "secret techniques" that should be hidden. I think it's really no more than a marketing ploy.

    I am thankful that the team is learning from Master S and I do think they will be better for it.
     
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    Phinz420 New Member

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    Jeet Kune Do :wink2:
     
  21. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    "The art of fighting without fighting"

    Arguably it could be the best b/c of it's philosophy of taking anything from any style that the fighter deems useful. It was revolutionary for a time when everybody was arguing about which style was best. But nowadays there are many styles that have taken that philosophy from Jeet Kune Do. So it was the first and maybe the best then, but now there is no best style. I'd like to believe that Bruce Lee would be proud of that.
     
  22. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Rafael:

    We had a visitor.
     
  23. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    That seems to be a very practical style to apply to football. I've never studied Isshin-ryu but I have studied Goju-ryu which I believe to be one of the roots that Isshin-ryu sprung from. It was considered by some to be a street fighting version of Goju.

    Isshin-ryu is known for it's vertical punches and natural stances. It's focused on close in fighting. That would seem very applicable to linemen and WRs.
     
  24. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Is Aikido what "Stephen Soliai Segal" uses in his movies?
     
  25. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but I don't think it would be very effective for football. Aikido uses very precise hand placement. I have found that those that study Aikido take a very long time to master it's nuances. In other words, if you have somebody who has studied Aikido for a year fight somebody in another style, I would guess that all things being equal the practitioner of the other style wins. If you go 10 years into the future then it may be a different story. IMO it is unlikely that our players would gain much applicable skill in a three day seminar. Aikido is very powerful but it takes a long time to learn.
     

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