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A coaching staff built on cronyism.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Merauder, Oct 6, 2010.

  1. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    Teams look to get the best players and don't mind paying top dollar to get them. Marshall and Dansby were very good additions to the team. Shouldn't coaching be looked at the same way????? Seriously. Miami has a coaching staff that was built on cronyism. For those who don't know what that means, it means that they brought in their friends. Not necessarily "the best coaches available." Does anyone realize this? Or have a problem with it? Because I do. I have a BIG problem with it. They stuck with Bonamego for this long. Why? Because they didn't want to fire their friend. They allowed this area of the team to suffer for 3 years. Now the focus shifts to Dan Henning, who by the way if you didn't know is Bill Parcells GOOD friend.

    To summarize, we don't have "the best available". We have "the best friends".

    EDIT: Mike Nolan is the only exception. He falls under the category of best available. But I'm sure he and Parcells are friends.
     
  2. texasPHINSfan

    texasPHINSfan New Member

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    I actually think you have a point here.

    But I'll counter and say:
    * where in the NFL is cronyism NOT employed?
    * is that necessarily a bad thing?

    Look at Bill Belichick. He always gets his own guys, and they tend to work pretty well for him - enough so that they get pilfered for promotions/HC jobs almost annually. :up:
     
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  3. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    The person who is now Miami's special teams coordinator worked at the University of New Haven with Sparano. THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAVEN!!!!!! Did anyone know they had a football team before Sparano arrived? I'm sure Rizzi is one of the BEST available. I don't know about everyone else but I'm MUCH more confident in Miami's special teams now!!!!
     
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  4. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    I suppose Dan Henning never made Jake Delhomme into a pro bowler, and never had the Panthers in the Super Bowl :rolleyes:
     
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  5. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    Oh please. Take that somewhere else. Seriously.
     
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  6. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    My sincerest apologies for providing factual evidence.

    Continue with the ranting.
     
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  7. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    I'll send you a box of chocolates after he's fired, so you feel better. adam you can have a box too.
     
  8. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I envy anyone whose life is so "real" problem free that they can afford to get this bent out of shape over a 2-2 football team. Your'e a rare breed, truly. Like String said, continue your rant. You haven't bashed the training/medical staff or the groundskeepers yet, why not start there? :up:
     
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  9. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    I know you're trying to offend me and I don't appreciate it. Next time stay off my thread if you don't plan to CONTRIBUTE to it at all. I brought up a valid point. How about getting off your high horse, and taking your condescending BS somewhere else? What do you think about that? Thanks.
     
  10. Stringer Bell

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    Considering half the league are "Parcells cronies" I'm not sure the point you brought up is valid.
     
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  11. MikeHoncho

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    Lol. He fired everyone after last year. He now wears all the hats there lol. Worst boss/friend ever. Mangini and McDaniel seemed to hate the guy, and IMO the jury is still out on those two.
     
  12. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    Not to mention how the team continues to get players from Dallas somehow every year. It's a little odd. Could it be that Parcells and Sparano still have buddies in Dallas? They HOOKED US UP with guys like Ayodele, Bobby Carpenter (!!!!!!!!!!) who else? Yeah...this cronyism thing is really working out.
     
  13. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    Did you even read what I said? Darren Rizzi worked with SPARANO at the University of New Haven. Not Parcells.
     
  14. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    :lol: thats so true. i mean every coach and assistant in the game today can probably be traced to three or four coaches and parcells has a huge market share
     
  15. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Who cares?

    His point is that half the league is Kevin Bacon'd from Parcells. People develop their own systems, their own personnel. People who know each other work better together.

    They fire people when units fail.

    The defense failed last year, they fired the D coordinator

    The ST failed this year (and has done below average the prior 2), they fired the coach going into the bye.

    I don't understand what you're upset about... I want a coach who has assistants under him he is comfortable with. I don't want a coach who brings in talent, but can't lead them because they don't get along.
     
  16. Stringer Bell

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    Your OP never mentioned Sparano or Rizzi. Just Parcells and Henning.
     
  17. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    So lets take your same argument and now apply it to the players on the team. So you're telling me you would rather have guys who "know each other" and maybe played on the same college team together rather than the best. Even though they aren't nearly as good as some other players that are available, it's better for the team that we keep players who know each other rather than the best possible option. That makes a lot of sense. You assume that if they did bring in better talent that they "wouldn't be able to get along". Why?

    EDIT: Yeah they did fire the D coordinator last year. Paul P was a good friend of Sparanos. Paul worked right down the road at Syracuse. Bonamego now this year. Cronyism works, as you can see.
     
  18. Merauder

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    I confused this with another similar post. I apologize for that.
     
  19. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Who were the coaches who were worlds apart better that could have replaced anyone who was failing their duties? I'm saying you don't take working units, and strip them of a coach that fits the system, unless that unit is failing, and there is a distinctly better alternative on the market.

    And man... you need to calm down, take a breather. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they're attacking you. If my post came off that way then I'm sorry. I just really don't see your argument, because you don't have any facts to back up that they have passed up on people vastly superior to failing coaching positions.
     
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  20. GMJohnson

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    My bad, dude. I figured that if authoring a senseless thread like this one doesn't offend you, then nothing I say will either. And talk about condescending, anyone who made it past 8th grade knows what cronyism means so be careful or else people might start to mistake you for a hypocrite.

    I suppose there was no need for the Patriots to hire Belichek, he's just a Parcells "crony". Sean Payton too. Todd Haley. Tom Coughlin. Al Groh. Romeo Crennel. Eric Mangini. Parcells "cronies", all of them. The implication that Parcells doesn't hire good people is laughable. His assistants' successes are rivaled by only Bill Walsh, in NFL HISTORY. Your OP wreaks of ignorance and when facts are thrown in your face, you attack the messenger. So go ahead, keep talking outta your hind parts, I won't dare try to correct you anymore. But IMO you should less talking and more listening, no offense :up:.
     
  21. Merauder

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    Sorry I wasn't directing that comment towards you. I'm not having a good day.
     
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  22. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    It's not a senseless thread. It's a VALID ARGUMENT. Yeah the people Parcells has brought in seem to be REALLY WORKING OUT, don't they? He only brings in "the best", I forgot! I'm a hypocrite now? Really? You want to resort to name calling? Speaking of 8th grade...

    Don't ever make another comment directed towards me again. Thanks.
     
  23. adamprez2003

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  24. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I never directed anything at you per se, I don't even know you. But you've clearly exposed yourself as an angry fan who's complaining and second guessing long term decisions based on a few isolated, short term failures. And if you have any idea what you're talking about, you sure do a good job of disguising it. That is all :hi5:.
     
  25. CaribPhin

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    Name coaches who were available, not the same way Bill Cowher is "available" every year, name some coaches who were available in 2008, that got an NFL job, and are doing better than the people we have right now.
     
  26. Conuficus

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    Is there anything that Stringer said that is false? Is there anything offensive? Yet he needs to go somewhere else? Why exactly? The rolleyes thing may offend you; so be it, but aside from that there is nothing incorrect about what was stated. Nothing. You can't ignore the fact Henning did work with Delhomme and Pennington before and had influence on both. Henning a good coach. Is he great? No. Are there certainly worse coaches out there? Yes. Would a coach like Mike Martz who's so willing to show you how right he is that he neglects to notice that the opposing team has 6 by halftime? I'm just using him as an example, but you get the idea.

    To be fair telling someone you'll send them a box of chocolates because they disagree with you isn't exactly taking the high road is it? How exactly are people supposed to respond to that? Or are they not, and they should never dare respond? Would you prefer if we sent you you some chocolates if he wasn't fired? Do we really need this? Seriously?

    To be honest, most things in life involve who you know. That's life. Everywhere. Hell, 25% of the people in charge of companies were helped in their climb by people they know. Who else can you convince to give you a chance sometimes? If you feel this strongly about it in football circles, then the political arena and generally most organizations should likely draw your ire as well. People getting chances because of who they know is a fact of life.

    It's been legally accepted in government since the days of Andrew Jackson.
     
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  27. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    I thought we already tried going with the best available coaches in Saban and Cameron and that didn't work out very good.
    Any coach we get is naturally going to hire coaches he is familiar with. Even if we hired Cowher or Gruden chances are they fill their staff with people they know and have worked with and not with the popular choice.
     
  28. Phinatic425

    Phinatic425 MIA State of Mind

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    Are you trying to say that Bobby Carpenter is bad?? Because he has played very well for us.
     
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    They did not find LANGFORD'S DIAMOND STUD DAMMIT!!! I say start bashing away :up:
     
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  30. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    You have to be kidding.
     
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    Do you recall him stopping Adrian Peterson on 3rd down (i believe) on the game winning goal line stand?? Are you really gonna hate on him after that?
     
  32. GreysonWinfield

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    Lost in all this is GM's go after HC's who buy in to their philosophy and HC's go after AC's who buy in to their philosophy. Would you really expect that they would hire someone they don't know or have trust in? Bono's ST #'s took a nice jump in 09 from 08. Not giving him a pass but the #'s were good enough that they had to be thinking they were headed in the right direction.

    Are you saying they should have hired a bunch of coaches with different philosophies? It's done wonders for Mike Martz's career.
     
  33. the 23rd

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    everyone has a job to do & must contribute in a competitive way or move on
     
  34. schmolioot

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    The biggest problem with the "cronyism" is being loyal to a friend instead of making a clear upgrade.

    Case in point, Bobby April, one of the best ST coaches in the biz suddenly becomes available. We have a fairly obvious need for improved special teams, but we don't even call the guy.

    Now we end up firing Bono anyway, with no real suitable repalcement
     
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    As others have said, cronyism is rampant throughout the league. Kansas City is the latest example with Scott Pioli hiring Weiss and Crennel. But, they fired Bonamego and let Paul P. go last year.

    It doesn't seem as though they're keeping guys longer than they should. While special teams was a concern, it was never this bad until this season. I thought the last two years were ok. Not great, but not as bad as this. And when it became painfully obvious, they made a switch. Kudos to them.
     
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  36. Dorfdad

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    Your right the entire front office and staff are "GOOD OL BOYS" Network through and through..

    Right or wrong ROSS is going to change this. He has to let them mess up enough and by earlier this year saying he expected a SUPERBOWL from Miami he set the staff up for failure so he could move them out after the season saying they failed to meet the expectations set for this team.

    We will suffer because of it as well. Unless somehow he manages to get Bill Cowher to coach I see him brining in his * Friends * who he trusts and lets them screw the team over for a few years in hopes of lightning striking.. I can hear it now.. We are not far away fans we will get there.. (Prices need to go up just a little though)
     
  37. Disgustipate

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    The argument for Dan Henning not being the best available...Is what? Who else was on the market at the time? Of those people, who fit those specific philosophical patterns?

    When Tony Sparano took over as OC in Dallas, he ran a balanced, ball-control offense with heavy emphasis on the two-TE set and a two-headed runningback attack. Dan Henning both historically, and in practice in Miami fulfills all those specifics to a degree better than most if not all of offensive coordinators in the league.
     
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  38. Merauder

    Merauder Perseverance

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    Thank you. That was my entire point from the beginning. Everyone knew that special teams was a liability. I don't care where they finished last season, whether it was 10th overall because of Ginn's kickoff returns or what. Instead of making an upgrade, they stuck with him until the wheels (that were being held up by scotch tape) fell off. Now we have a guy running 1/3 of our team who was an assistant with Sparano at the University of New Haven. I am losing almost all of my faith in this coaching staff. It's seriously starting to seem that Sparano was not ready to be a head coach and did not have the proper staff assembled. I don't care how many of you are going to disagree and rip me apart like you always do either. We all know you are better than me and know more about football than me. So proceed with your reply, try to belittle me, and tell us how great it is up there on that high horse. Thanks.
     
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  39. Dorfdad

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    I think your 100% right.. Sparano is a decent head coach better than some of the twigs we had in here. He has the heart and the team seems to like him however I feel he doesn't have the staff around him to take us to the title.

    Were fans we dont look 4 years down the line, nor do we care we want to win NOW and when people say you cant do that I simply say look around the entire sports sector teams that WANT to win make it happen.

    The Yankees bring in the big guns, the Phillies are now doing it, the Jets SUCKED hard for years than in one season they became a top 3 defense and legit contender (though I still hate them).. The Heat in one offseason are STACKED and posed to become a team for the history books.

    We had options from the start of the offseason last year to address all our needs. We decided to continue to use what we had KNOWING our issues. I blame that 100% on the front office.

    They knew they were going to have a hard time this year and jobs could be on the line. They addressed a few positions on the team but neglected MANY of those needs trying to place journeymen into those positions instead of studs.

    You reap what you sow and this barn is smelling alot like shiet.. If they get fired so be it.. We deserve better.
     
  40. SICK

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    Perhaps.
     

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