Did we bring Philbin and Sherman here to run Peyton Manning's offense or GB's offense? It makes no sense to have to put in a system Manning is comfortable with for 2 years. Philbin was brought here because of HIS system. We need to run with it.
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Philbin doesn't care either way. I see this as a move that Ross wants to make. If it works, Peyton makes philbin look good, if it doesn't, philbin will get a chance to do things his way
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I know people will discount this by saying that a healthy Manning is so good that you let him play in whatever system he wants. Personally, I want Philbin to install his system and start developing QBs. I want to have players develop and step in when we have injuries. I'm not looking for what we might do in the next year or two. I think the players (and even coaches) come and go, but if you have a good system, it can set you up for the next decade or two.
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Uh what? This is Peyton Manning, not Chad Henne we're talking about. There is no system Manning won't succeed in. Well, unless you decide to run a single-wing...
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There is no law that says getting Manning means you don't draft a QB at some point and develop him. I might even take an Osweiler in the 2nd round. -
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Don Shula was a great coach because he was always able to run a system which suited his players. When he had great running backs and a great offensive line in the 1970's, the Dolphins were a run oriented team which only passed when necessary. Once Shula drafted Marino, he quickly changed the offensive system to the maximize the passing attack which Marino was most effective at.
So if the Dolphins happen to sign Peyton Manning, it is up to Philbin to make sure the offensive scheme of the Dolphins suits Manning and the rest of the offensive players on the team. It is not his job to force Manning to run a GB offense he may not feel comfortable running.texasPHINSfan and dolfan7171 like this. -
Not good enough.
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My only concern with Manning is us winning enough games that we're too far down in the draft order to actually draft a QB of the future in following drafts.
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I think that if the Dolphins make the mistake of selecting one of these second tier QB's in the first round. They will be giving up the chance of drafting an impact player at another position and I don't see any of these QB's being an upgrade over Moore.
At this point, I hope they either sign Manning or Flynn, if Philbin is sold on him as a long term answer. If neither of these QB's sign and the Dolphins aren't able to trade up for Luck or RG3, I would rather see them take Kellen Moore in the fourth or fifth round.
I think a lot of the teams with QB needs will fill those needs this year and the Dolphins best bet at getting a true franchise type QB might just be to wait until next years draft and trade whatever draft picks it will take to move up and take Matt Barkley. -
Realistically this team won't be in a position to draft the top QB in any draft. At some point you'll have to pay to play.
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The rest of the QB's in this draft do nothing for me. I think they will turn out to be mediocre starters at best, and most of them will never be anymore then backup QB's in the NFL. I think that drafting any other QB in the first round , except Luck or RG3, will be nothing but a complete waste of this first round draft pick by the Dolphins.
I would rather see the Dolphins draft another offensive lineman, linebacker, safety, CB, or RB with this pick before I would want to see them draft a Tannehill or Weeden, or any of the other 2nd tier QB's in this draft.likes this. -
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I would trade Jake Long, this years first and second round rounds picks, plus next years first round pick to the Rams for their first round draft pick. With that pick I would take RG3. Long is starting to have the injuries mount up and basically all the Rams would be getting from the Dolphins beside Long is the Dolphins second round pick this season and their first round pick next year. They would merely be swapping first round picks this season.
This may not be enough to make a trade with the Rams but doing everything necessary to trade up for RG3 is far more important to the Dolphins future than drafting one of the 2nd tier QB's in this draft would ever be. -
Mannings system= A variation of the Air Coryel offense, medium-long range vertical passing
Green Bay's system= A variation of the West Coast offense, short-medium quick passing, usually more horizontal than vertical.
Two different systems. Not saying Manning couldn't grasp the west coast, but its not the same system he's used to. Tough to teach an old dog new tricks, especially one coming out of a really bad arm/neck injury. -
I have no idea why anyone thinks the Dolphins would sign Manning unless they plan on implementing an offense to suit his skills. If the Dolphins are really only to go with the WCO, no matter who the next QB is. They obviously would have no real interest in signing Manning if they felt he couldn't function well in this offense. Of course if the coaching staff is so adamant that the offense has to be the WCO, and that prevents them from going after a healthy Manning. I would begin to wonder about how effective this coaching staff will be going forward. -
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You said you'd be pissed if we took a QB in the first, if it wasn't Luck or RGIII. You said that was because you didn't feel any other QB was a first round talent. So I was wondering what you're track record was at evaluating college QBs. I'm clearly still waiting. -
I wouldn't be upset if we took Tannehill in the first two rounds, whether we signed Manning or Flynn or neither. If Mike Sherman thinks he's ready and Philbin thinks he can develop and transistion to the NFL, I don't see the problem. To me, Flynn and Tannehill are the less riskier choices than Manning due to familiarity with the coaches and system. Plus, both are healthy, young, and hungry.
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If you brought in Brady, Brees, Rivers, or Big Ben...you adjust your offense to that guy. You'd do the same with Manning... -
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this was what i had tried to say before the season ended the kid from usc staying hurt us and by wining games thatt were not getting us intothe playofffs we lose for losing in this senario . this is a pet peeve plus the fact that we never make bold moves to make a positive difference. -
I saw Luck, RG3, Tannehill, Weeden, and a few of the other QB's listed in the top of this years QB class play several times this past season. While Luck and RG3 certainly impressed me. None of the other QB's in this draft class made my toes tingle. Weeden played very well, but he also played with the best wide receiver in college football. During the Senior bowl game when he didn't have Blackmon to throw to, he looked awful.
I am not that high on Tannehill either. He didn't play very well in the games against the better teams on Texas A&M's schedule. Also both Weeden and Tannehill played in a conference which has few teams with decent defenses. If the Dolphins could get Tannehill in the third or fourth round, he might be worth a pick in one of these rounds. He could sit for two or three years and maybe he could develop into an adequate starter down the road. I just don't see him or Weeden ever being franchise type QB's in the NFL.
As a Dolphin fan, I would rather the Dolphins take a player who can come in and contribute in his first year, if they can't get Luck or RG3. I just don't see any of the QB's after these two being able to come in and contribute immediately. If the Dolphins are looking for the FRANCHISE QB they claim they are. They need to do everything possible to trade up and pick RG3. Because I just don't think there are any FRANCHISE QB's in the draft beyond Luck and RG3. -
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Manning is a bright person. If he CAN play, I'm willing to bet he'd fit into almost any offense, including any form of a west coast offense. He has always had great touch on all the throws.NJFINSFAN1 likes this. -
You don't shy away from Manning unless he can't play. Or unless he refuses to sign if you draft another QB early. If you even see a QB you like this draft.
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