I loved Fasano in 2008, I was sad to see him struggle so much at the start of the season, but judging by the numbers he started to pick up.

I think a bit of time working on his timing with Henne will help. Those fumbles at the start of the season seem like they were more just mistakes than anything.

Anyways, it's a good sign that when he had an off season, he was ranked as the #7 overall TE. He may not be a star TE, but he's definitely helping the team, and hopefully will get better next season.

 

I think that those 20 or so times he didn't catch the ball killed us more than the 30 or so times he did catch it helped us. His fumbles, crucial drops, and inability to make clutch catches drag this team down. I'm not saying get rid of him, but I wouldn't want to have to rely on him in any situation.

 

He really missed David Martin in those two TE sets. IMO that's one of the main reason Fasano was so effective in 2008. Also, Pennington utilized the TE A LOT more than Henne.

 

They have to re-sign Fasano first, dont they?? Isn't he a restricted free agent?? Toss a tender on him!!!.....IDK......I like Ben Watson, the guy is athletic, crazy speed for a TE, would come cheap, needs to start new, could rat out the Pats playbook...

 

yeah me either......

 

maybe

 

My thoughts are you have to be insane to use PFFs
subjective stats regarding players.Seriously do you think
Fasano is the #7 rated End in football?????:no:

For God's sake wake up
They had Fasano ahead of Gates and his 1157 yards receiving...Fasano had 2 tds and Gates 8tds......

And this isn't there only screw up
How about Jeremy Shockey rated below Fasano..absurd

Brent Celek with his 76 receptions, 968 yards and 8 tds
or Fasano with 31 receptions,339 yards and 2 tds:no:

We are not finished,How about Fasano over Vernon Davis who was rated #57 out of 61 ends in the NFL

Davis only had 78 receptions for 965 yards and 13 touchdowns yet Fasano is better...WTF

THEY RATED ERNEST WILFORD WITH 11 RECEPTIONS (ALL SEASON) BETTER THAN VERNON DAVIS....:no:

DAVIS HAD MORE TOUCHDOWNS THAN WILFORD HAD RECEPTIONS...WHAT THE HECK ARE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING...AND IF YOU BELIEVE THE RATINGS YOU MUST BE SMOKING SOMETHING TOO.

In closing PFF also rated Joey Haynos (number 21 in the NFL) BETTER THAN

#23 Owen Daniels
#31...Heath Miller
#39 Kellin Winslow
#42 Zach Miller
#57 Vernon Davis

This web site and there subjective ratings
are as insane as the people that believe in them

 

Blocking counts to..

 

another absurd rating from PFF

I just had to add another rating WTF moment from ProFootball Focus...
How can ONE take a web site serious that has

Brian Leonard rated the 16th best running back:shifty:
84 yards rushing with 0 touch downs OVER

Adrian Peterson rated #17 in the NFL
1394 YARDS RUSHING...18 TOUCHDOWNS

IS 1394 YARDS RUSHING BETTER THAN 84??????:yes:
IS 18 TOUCHDOWNS BETTER THAN 0????????:yes:

IN WHAT BIZARO WORLD WOULD YOU SELECT
LEONARD AS A BETTER RUNNING BACK THAN PETERSON

This site has good stats but there individual rating system is so flawed it is comical:yes:

 

So you want Fasano over all mentioned Ends??????????

and don't even say blocking makes Fasano a better tight end than
Davis,Shockey,Gates,Celek,both Millers,Winslow or Daniels
because your credibility will be lost for good

 

Obviously blocking doesn't count, Vernon Davis is one of the best blocking TEs in the league..

 

Sadly this thread lost all credibility in the first 3 words: "According to PFF". Not to be mean or cruel here, but PFF is the worst source I know of for anything football related. JMHO.

I still hold out hope Fasano can turn into a decent TE for us with an off season & TC getting used to the velocity and arrival time of Henne's passes being so different than Pennington's. We still need to add a TE that can be trusted to catch balls downfield in those seam routes, whether we get them in FA or the draft, we are lacking at the TE position.

And TE is one of Parcels' most critical positions on offense, so I expect to see a couple new faces in camp at TE this Summer.

 

Wow. PFF is far from perfect. Fasano is horrible. He is a good blocker, nothing more. He will make a great #2 TE. But he will never make the Pro Bowl, EVER. Comparing him to Dallas Clark and Antonio Gates is laughable at best. Fasano is one of the worst receiving TEs in the NFL.

 

Not if you believe the subjective ratings of PFF

By the way I have also spoken many times with Neil at PFF
and I still think there ratings are absurd

I'm not going to bash your credibility but you have to get away from PFFs subjective ratings
Haynos over Vernon Davis...PLEASE

DONT YOU SEE THE ABSURDITY OF
WALLACE WRIGHT WITH 2 RECEPTIONS AND 21 YARDS RATED THE 26TH BEST WIDE RECEIVER IN THE NFL???

WALLACE RATED 26TH WITH 2 RECEPTIONS
MARSHALL RATED 38TH WITH 101 RECEPTIONS

PLEASE READ BECAUSE THIS ONE IS THE BEST

Lance Long with ZERO RECEPTIONS AND ZERO YARDS
RATED BETTER THAN DESEAN JACKSON WITH 63 RECEPTIONS AND 1168 YARDS RECEIVING

WHATS BETTER 1168 YARDS RECEIVING OR 0????
63 RECEPTIONS OR 0??????
According to PFF 0 yards and 0 receptions are better:cry:

 

why is PFF like that?? what else do they take into account??

 

Eegads, Wallace Wright is merely percentile noise, similar to baseball where a player has a handful of at bats and manages to hit a couple of home runs and their slugging percentage moves upwards far beyond their actual play.

A good place to start would be to look at the number of snaps first and then judge for yourself whether the player is significant or not.

 

Indeed missed the two tight end set with Martin on the other side owning everything in sight.

 

And he played well in both seasons, in 09 he did have a different role, one that he was successful at..you cannot run the ball as well as we did without te's who can block at a high level.

 

You're going waaaaay out of your way to prove a point you could have done more intelligently than removing the snap-count filter and typing in all caps.

 

Bro, caps are serious business.

 

Football Outsiders had Fasano ranked 42nd in the NFL and Haynos 45th. That seems more accurate.

 

Where and when the next bong hit will be:wink2:

 

Maybe fumbles count? :shifty:

 

let Fasano compete