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According to ESPN: Miami trying to trade up to 2...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CANEPHINS, Jan 14, 2012.

  1. phinfan13

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    To sit behind a veteran like Rodgers and come out throwing the way he did...he is ready to be a dolphin!!!
     
  2. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    I seriously hope you're making a joke, cause none of those turds are worth squat. If you think you could win a superbowl with any of the clowns on that list you have not watched any football in the last 10 years. The only exception to that is Flynn and there isn't enough to go on yet. He is worth a look but the rest, garbage.
     
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  3. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    One more time, I haven't heard anyone say that Flynn is elite or is a lock, so I don't understand why people have to keep reiterating the fact that he hasn't proven much yet.

    What's it going to hurt to bring him in? Money? Who cares? The salary cap, the draft, the coach, the FO are all irrelevant until we get a franchise QB. Is there a chance Flynn could be one? Yes, go get him. Is there a chance Garrad or Grossman can be one? Nope, leave them alone. This ain't rocket science.
     
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  4. Disnardo

    Disnardo Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    and that is only for this year... I stop counting over the last few years..
     
  5. CANEPHINS

    CANEPHINS No Tats & Dreads Allowed

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    I say sign him. But don't say he is proven, as someone said before. He is a huge question mark, but it worth signing and probably better to have on the roster than LOSEman.
     
  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yep, one o the reasons why I'm not on the "trade whatever it takes to get a Qb!"

    Bandwagon, we need more closers on Defense, "smart tough disciplined" is not as successful as "passionate, talented, hard workers" character is not very important the truth be told, having a locker room full of good guys does not win as much as having a locker room full of talented guys.
     
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  7. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Reiff and Flynn are proven, but RG3 isn't? And I must've missed when Flynn got waived.

    So yea, maybe you aren't someone who should try and label others as smart or not.
     
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  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Heh, in your opinion, have you studied any of them?

    At all?

    Then what do you base your opinion on?

    And I should have put Vince Young on the list.
     
  9. Phinatic19

    Phinatic19 New Member

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    Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but the quarterback comes first, not the playmakers. And its not like we cant add a good receiver in FA. Isn't Vincent Jackson a free agent too?
     
  10. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I hope it doesn't happen.
     
  11. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Why to add insult to injury?
     
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  12. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    VJax won't make it to FA imo, and the larger point is we are out of position in the draft, we have huge other needs along with Qb, all things being equal, what we lose to try to move up to the #2 is not worth losing the chance to upgrade other areas.

    Those 2 #2's can be our starting Guard next yr and our second passrushing OLB this yr, or Te, or Wr, or what have you.
     
  13. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Masochist maybe?

    VY is a bad fit in Philly, you really don't want him throwing 40 times per gm.
     
  14. Phinatic19

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    I think getting RGIII and letting him play all of this upcoming season to find out his strengths/weaknesses and finding players to compliment him in next years draft would be better IMO. Sure we have other issues but those other issues aren't as important as the QB position.
     
  15. cdnfinfan

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    Maybe Ross and Ireland made a deal with Fisher in which they pretended to want him to drive up his asking price in st Louis and in turn Fisher would make a deal with them for the number 2 pick
    maybe that's why he needed so much power with the rams
     
  16. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Could, but keep in mind dropping him into the Henne/Moore situation is not doing him any favors, and is likely to lead to early failures, we need help on the OL, we need a #2 pass rusher, as people may not acknowledge it, but our Defense was just not very good last yr.

    It was good enough to put up stats, but also to never get the needed defensive stop in the 4th qtr.
     
  17. Phinatic19

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    I think our line will be fine with Richie and Carey back. Just find a guard in the draft or free agency(move Carey back to tackle.) And RGIII's mobility should help too seeing as he could scramble if the pocket collapses.

    Edit: Also I didn't see how well(or bad), John Jerry did at LT the last couple of games. Specifically the Jets game... So if he was any good we should try him at RT this season and keep Carey at guard.
     
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  18. phinfan13

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    Reiff is a guy that can start right away and make a difference. Why waste a first round pick on a QB with hope and prayer that he is the answer to the post marino error? I like the fact of drafting someone that can make a difference right away.

    This was in regards to trading up in the draft to get him and it is simply not worth it....so yea maybe you aren't as smart as you label yourself
     
  19. Rouk

    Rouk Well-Known Member

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    I doubt the dolphins end up trading up
     
  20. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I never labeled myself as smart, not sure where you read that. I don't know how you can possibly claim someone who hasn't played a down in the NFL and someone who has started 2 total games in the NFL are proven though.

    For all we know RG3 could start right away and make a difference, nor do we know that it'd be a waste to spend a first round pick on him. It might be just as much of a waste to spend any money on Flynn or a pick on Reiff.

    I'm not saying I'd be for trading up for Griffin, but none of us know if it'd be worth it or not.
     
  21. padre31

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    RG3 isn't pocket mobile, he can run but he is not good at avoiding rushers, as for the OL that's fair, but keep in mind Newton incredible mobility did not save him from panthers' OL, they were tied for the most sacks allowed with the rams, Dolphins were #2 for most allowed.


    We have problems at both Guard slots, Richie I is not a LG (imo), Carey probably will be waived (imo).
     
  22. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I think we've seen a number of times where "mobile" QBs are sacked more often because they tend to keep the plays alive longer than they should. It isn't always a failing of the OL.
     
  23. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    How is Matt Flynn a proven QB?
     
  24. jw3102

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    If Fisher really likes Ireland, why is he now the coach of the Rams?
     
  25. jw3102

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    I agree. I think there is a better chance of the OP of this thread hitting the lottery then the Dolphins trading up to the second pick in the draft and selecting RG3. While I would love to see RG3 in a Dolphins uniform next season. I see him long gone by the time select an offensive lineman with their pick in the first round of the 2012 draft.
     
  26. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    If Jason Campbell hadn't gotten hurt, Hue Jackson is still the coach of the Raiders.
     
  27. MikeHoncho

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    What? Didn't you see that week 16 showing he put against those nobodies with nothing to play for?
     
  28. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Way too early for anyone to talk about trading up - and too many variables about who will move up or down in the draft. A. Such a report is crazy; B. If the Dolphins really are pushing for this - they are nuts to be even trying to do it at this point.
     
  29. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Before we could waive him we'd have to resign him, then wait till after the trading deadline during the 2012 season.
     
  30. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Neverknow, do know 3 of the FA Qb's this offseason have led their teams to the playoffs, which is one of the reasons why I think this is the deepest FA Qb class in yrs.

    -Young
    -Garrard
    -Campbell

    Orton, I "think" did it with the bears in 05, could toss Grossman in there as well, his problem is way to up and down, same thing in DC this yr.
     
  31. finfansince72

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    Well after losing Fisher, Ross probably thinks that he needs to make a splash in the draft even more now.
     
  32. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Because liking Ireland isn't the job he was interviewing for. He was interviewing for the position of Head coach and he and the owner couldn't make their organization structure wants mesh.
     
  33. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    LOL it starts already. Get ready for 3 and a half months of this.
     
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  34. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    I never labeled you as smart either, so yeah I'm looking at Griddles for spreading the myth that Stitches is smart.
     
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  35. ckparrothead

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    I applaud the original poster for putting "According to ESPN:" in his thread title but wish he would have specified "According to ESPN Radio:"

    That way I would've known immediately either to not click on the thread at all, or to take it with a total grain of salt.

    99% of the time a thread pops up with information heard on ESPN Radio, it's absolutely fabricated. Not killing the messenger, I'm sure ESPN Radio does a pretty good job of screwing up news that everyone's already heard and phrasing it incorrectly...but people listening to this stuff on the radio also get it wrong a ton.

    When you hear, or think you hear, something MAJOR on ESPN Radio, ask yourself the following questions before disseminating:

    Can you find it anywhere in print?

    If the answer is no, assume you heard wrong, either because they phrased it in a way they shouldn't have, or because you were driving and therefore focusing on something else and probably heard something that wasn't really there. Just saying. Not trying to pick at anyone, but I can't even tell you how ridiculously often it is that an ESPN Radio report that someone hears and then starts a thread about is totally wrong.
     
  36. rafael

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    I don't want an Orton or Garrard or any of the other FA QBs really. I see them all as not franchise guys at best. I rather try to develop a guy like Russell Wilson.
     
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  37. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I think he is raw, but could potentially be very good. I wouldn't even want him or any other draft QB to see the field that first year.
     
  38. padre31

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    I would, of course, I think we are out of position to land a good enough prospect to bet on imo.

    With Ireland, the "proto type" theory is alive and well, Wilson will not set foot in Miami.
     
  39. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I don't see the vets as good bets either.

    And I get the impression that Ireland's prototype is a QB with run/pass skills. I have no information that says his QB must be a certain size.
     
  40. CallMeDaddy

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    Flynn and Campbell are the only QBs I'd like to get in Free Agency, maybe because I've liked Campbell since he was with the Redskins.

    But if im not mistaken Padre, wasn't Campbell injured in the playoff run for the Redskins and Todd Collins pulled something out of his *** to lead them to the playoffs?(I believe this was the year Sean Taylor died)
     

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