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Advanced Scout thoughts on Chad Henne

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Dec 21, 2010.

  1. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    Actually, TO/Jason Witten, Steve Smith, and the Wildcat offense made those guys' careers.
     
  2. SeanP

    SeanP Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Good insight, thanks for sharing. Hope you didn't put your boy out on a limb with that.
     
  3. finserg

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    Im a big henn fan but I have to say the offense nevered clicked with him.weapons were there just no spark.
     
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  4. ToddsPhins

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    It's always great to hear that other teams are laughing at you! I thought that stuff only existed in non-realistic movies..... but I guess I'm wrong.

    Wait..... are you dare saying that a Bills player said our offense could be good with a ground game.... WITH Henne? Get outta town!! Where are my rotten eggs and tomatoes when I need em?! :shifty:

    Is it possible that Henne is staring down receivers and holding the ball too long bc his receivers are being tightly covered due to much of what you referenced? (you've been at games live and paid attention to our receivers; what did your eyes tell you?)
     
  5. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    If Henne cant grasp it by now,he should be ashamed of himself. Also,if this was his first year in the league I`d say maybe you`re right but thats not the case.
     
  6. PHINANALYST

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    another reason why Cowher would come here ..... Henne can be similar to Big Ben ... especially with a running game.

    who knows the verasity of that reporting, but if true - there is no way Cowher would come here if he thought the current QB had no chance -- NO WAY, why do you think Saban bailed ..... i would have too if i got stuck with Culpepper with no way out.

    Henne practiced and practiced all off season to be CP 2.0 ..... so seriously, what do we really expect to see from him this year -- to break the cycle, he'll need this next offseason with his WRs to break out of those chains. This doesn't change the fact that he needs very much to work on his coverage and blitz reads ...

    This doesn't excuse his play the last few weeks mind you .... but i would like to see him play for 1 year without the Parcell's commandments, with a running game, and without the threat of CP stepping in. All excuses for sure ... but all would weigh very heavily if we were in his shoes ... next year is that year.
     
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  7. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Cortland Finnegan did something similar with Marshall. I can understand the Henne blame, I really can. He's the QB, and when the offense struggles, he's the first person to get the blame. But week after week, we hear these things from defensive players.

    It's as if Chad Henne is a pitcher, and the other team has stolen the signs. We KNOW they've stolen the signs because of what's been revealed, and people are either too stubborn to believe or feel that his stuff should be good enough to get guys out anyway.

    I also find it ironic, that for years on this and other boards, we talk about certain QB's being "System QB's" as if their success was predicated on the fact that they played in an effective offensive scheme. Yet, when someone points out that an offensive scheme is actually hindering a QB, we are not so understanding as fans.

    Dan Henning has a track record, and that is one of mediocrity. Chad Henne has a very brief track record, so of the two, I'm willing to give the guy with the lesser amount of experience another shot. If he fails, so be it. But the chance was taken. Besides, as many have pointed out, it's not like we're doing it at the expense of acquiring a supreme talent in next year's draft anyhow.
     
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  8. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i think when you watch the interview you can see its genuine. people have ways of lying. they may say it but they wont put any emotion into it. when they are telling the truth, they will add emotion
     
  9. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    you have a link for this?
     
  10. Robert Horry

    Robert Horry New Member

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    This is a ridiculous statement.
     
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  11. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    whats ridiculous about it. did you watch the interview and see his facial expressions. here's the video. its only ten minutes long. dont remember where it is. midway i think http://thefinsiders.com/video/
     
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  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Mallett would be perfect for the offense.

    Delhomme was successful in the offense, he has no similarities to Pennington.
     
  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i would consider mallett very strongly if a new coach was brought in. reminds me of flacco. if sparano is retained he cant afford to draft a QB however
     
  14. jdang307

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    Tom Brady went from Pretty good to really good. Never was Bad. Right now Henne is not playing well. SO we're hoping at best for him to go from mediocre to pretty good. At worst, from pretty bad to decent?
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    No better way to save your job than drafting a QB in the first round and have him show some promise.
     
  16. jdang307

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    I believe it was reported Henne himself said it, when they were starting Thigpen
     
  17. jw3102

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    As someone else has pointed out. Culpepper didn't have to read defenses. All he had to do was drop back and thow it to Randy Moss. Once Moss left the Vikings. Culpepper's career went down the toilet.
    It wasn't Linehan who made Culpepper the QB he was. It was Moss.
     
  18. adamprez2003

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    This is the fear every Dolphin fan should have. That we become the Panthers

    1. Jeff Davidson, Panthers offensive coordinator. It's kind of tough to come up with guys whose stock is falling when three NFC South teams are coming off victories and virtually everybody with the Panthers has been used in this category at one point or another. So we're going to be creative -- in other words, something Davidson is not. I know the head coach sets the tone for what his coordinators do and there's no question John Fox has limited his offense for virtually his entire tenure. But Davidson deserves some heavy blame. I mean, at least try to come up with ways to get Steve Smith the ball. As Fox's time in Carolina comes to an end and I reflect on it, I think one of the worst moves was making Dan Henning the scapegoat for a disappointing 2006 season. Fans thought Henning lacked imagination. After four years of watching Davidson's offense, Henning's offense, in hindsight, looks like the Tampa Bay Bandits of Steve Spurrier in the United States Football League. Fox's staff will be scrambling for jobs. Davidson might have to return to his roots as an offensive line coach because his coordinator résumé isn't looking too good.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/tag/_/name/dan-henning
     
  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Once Culpepper's knee got smashed his career went down the toilet.

    During the amazing year he had some great games with no randy moss.
     
  20. adamprez2003

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    christ, half the fans want him fired now. if we drafta QB we arent making the playoffs next year either. there is no way he sticks around to develop him
     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    what is that based on? Rookie QBs make the playoffs.
     
  22. adamprez2003

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    you mean where henne said he liked some plays and didnt like others? lol. thats a condemnation of henning lol

    I mean this is the quote

    "and you fail to realize players have approached Henning and told him to stop causing this offense to fail."

    henne saying he liked a play or didnt like play is him saying henning is caUSING THE OFFENSE TO FAIL LOL
     
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  23. jw3102

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    The last I checked. The Dolphins throw the ball much more than they run it. It isn't that Henne isn't given the opportunity to wing it. It has more to do with the fact he is terrible at throwing the long ball. If the Dolphins were running the ball all game and never letting Henne pass. I could see your point. That just isn't the case. He has been given every chance to prove he is a quality passer in the NFL. So far, except for a few moments in a few games. He has shown quite clearly that he doesn't have what it takes to be that a quality QB.
     
  24. Jaj

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    Jon Gruden probably won't draft a quarterback either though. The only coach who may have enough sway and enough time to do it would probably be Bill Cowher and I'd bet money it would be Cam Newton or Jake Locker.

    I have some faith in Ireland, I think he can get the veteran pieces he needs on offense this year to make a 12-16 ranked offense at least as strong as the 2008 group.
     
  25. adamprez2003

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    its a helluva risk. i think sparano would want to eliminate as much risk as possible. literally a guy like gradkowski with no upside is better for sparano then rolling the dice on a rookie QB
     
  26. DevilFin13

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    During Culpepper's best season Moss only played 13 games and had 767 yards of Culpepper's 4717 passing yards. Seven other players caught more than 20 passes, an eigth player had 19 receptions. Moss did have the most TDs, but he had 13 of Culpepper's 39. Culpepper isn't Manning or Brady when it comes to reading defenses. But he isn't Ryan Leaf either.
     
  27. texasPHINSfan

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    I was laughed at when I compared Henne to Kitna.

    ....Of course now I see it is because that is an insult to Kitna.




    too soon? :lol:
     
  28. Jaj

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    They'll get better than Gradkowski. You can bet money on that.
     
  29. Robert Horry

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    Umm, just because Davidson is a ****ty offensive coordinator doesn't mean Henning is a decent one.
     
  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I think Sparano is the type of guy who does the best for the team than worry about trying to save his ***.
     
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  31. Jaj

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    That was bizarre logic...
     
  32. Robert Horry

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    No, thats not it. That was during the Titans game where he said that about the plays.
     
  33. adamprez2003

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    PROBABLY. Thats a worst case scenario.
     
  34. adamprez2003

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    the point is replacing coordinators isnt as easy as fans think it is. if sparano stays its more than likely david lee. this could be jeff richardson all over again
     
  35. adamprez2003

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    so what is it
     
  36. Jaj

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    IF Sparano is kept, the choice of offensive coordinator should be interesting. I would expect a run-based Air Coryell. I doubt they go with an Ehrhardt-Perkins because the number of guys available who run it are limited.

    Honestly what does Dan Henning even run? It's supposed to be a Coryell offense but it's so bastardized I'm not even sure what it is.
     
  37. PhiNomina

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    His very adament defense of Henning followed by his inability to point out anything that has gone well on offense made me rethink where his priorities were. Both the passing game and running game have regressed this year. Saying your OC has been "tremendous" when you are 31st in scoring doesn't help your public image.
     
  38. Jaj

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    He was supportive of PP as well. You want to show class to your coaches.
     
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  39. Robert Horry

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    Reports said during halftime at CHI game he approached Henning and told him to stop setting up the offense for failure.
     
  40. Frayser

    Frayser Barstool Philosopher

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    Tom Brady also had the luxury of playing the entire time under one of the better offensive minds in the league.

    Dan Henning runs an extremely advanced form of checkers. The problem is that the rest of the league is playing chess.
     

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