And look at his accuracy percentile when he was pressured. He got happy feet and was inaccurate. A great example of that was when he had I think it was Louis Murphy across the middle and threw it behind him while he was pressured by McClain. He's inconsistent in my opinion and he has a long wind up. I think he can improve but I don't think he is worthy of a first round selection.
Really? Just like that? Come on. It's not that simple. I don't care if he's smart and talented, you don't need to be Charles Dickens to work on mechanics, footwork, etc.
Everyone thinks that they're God is the right God- part of the folly of Earth. Arthur C. Clarke had it more right than anyone in my opinion- whatever the reality of the universe may be it's far stranger than you or I could possibly imagine. You're correct- football on the football field, praising God in church.
You worship internet porn? I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Back to football. How does Terrence Cody stand after this game?
Absolutely. The ball comes out slowly and with an elongated delivery. Any pressure at all and he goes mechanically to pieces and he starts chucking knuckleballs. As for Tavaris Jackson, he wasn't a better college QB, but he was clearly a better NFL prospect.
At the end if the day all he does is produce. The rubber hits the road in terms of whether that production can translate to the NFL- I think that it can. Footwork can be corrected and he can be trained to be a pass first run second QB in my opinion.
Come to my Church. Just don't stand too close. How does Cody stand? On two legs one assumes. Seriously? I don't think he hurt his stock 1 iota. How could he? He played within the system of what Kevin Steele tried to achieve. They weren't going to win by Cody having a big game, They were going to win by Cody freeing up McClain and Hightower to make enough plays and they did till Dante caught Demps' facemask.
I think that Jackson has proven that he wasn't worth a 2nd rd pick. I think that was the same year that they overdrafted some Center from Arizona or whatever. Jackson is a bust- I would take Tebow over Jackson in a second, and that's not hindsite.
He does produce, in college. I have a hard time believing that you can change a guy's mindset from run first to pass first. His footwork can be improved on but his long wind up will be difficult to. I think he has a lot to work on. I'm not saying he is going to fail as an NFL Quarterback but I do think that he has a lot to work on and when the pressure is applied by opposing defense, he breaks down. That worries me more than anything, especially considering he is also coming out of a spread offense.
Every college player drafted is NFL ready?? NO! Thats why it usually takes at least a season to develop for most collegiates drafted. To think that Tebow wont go high in the draft because he only throws deep passes is assinine.
Tommie Frazier Steve Taylor Charlie Ward The Nebraska QB that went to the NFL as a safety whose name escapes me. All they did was produce. Footwork CAN be corrected. Missing open WR's, collapsing mechanics under pressure. All very, very different. It's not just as simple as saying he CAN do it.
Most college players are more ready than him. And please, don't insult my intelligence about Tebow's ability. I've been doing this draft thing for a very long time and I know what I'm talking about. Where exactly did I say about him only throwing "deep passes". Read the thread, watch what it takes to be an NFL QB and see how far he has to go. He's a project and you don't take 3 year projects in R1 at QB when you have to deconstruct their entire games.
Scott Frost- I think that Parcells drafted him. Regardless, I still think that Tebow can adapt his game to suit the NFL- it's just my opinion, nothing more. p.s. Troy Drayton was just on local TV- I'll put his weight over/under at 325. He looks like Tim Bowens size these days. Charlie Ward- who knows, he opted for basketball. Scott Frost had no chance to play QB at the pro level. Tommy Frazier- yeah, he produced at Nebraska, but could he run a NFL offense? I guess not. I don't know who Steve Taylor is. I think that you're underestimating Tebow's abilities- we'll find out what the NFL teams think in a few months and we'll see what Tebow can do in the next 2-3 years.
I realize that. But,in the history of the NFL drafts there have been countless first round busts and countless latter round diamonds in the rough. Sure,scouting plays a big part of it but theres no such thing as a "cant miss" and no such thing as a " pre-draft bust". Draft and hope,thats all they can do.
What do you think about Tebow changing positions? Obviously WR wouldn't be realistic but I think he has the size to play fullback or tight end.
Tebow will be drafted as a QB and will get his shot there. It's going to be interesting to see where he is drafted and how he does as a pro QB.
Right but I'm saying I think he has the physical tools to try a different position if QB doesn't work out. I think he could be something of an emergency QB, 2nd/3rd TE, short yardage ball carrier, and possible special teamer at the same time.
Have to say that although I really LOVE all my brotheren and sisteren in here, I have never really been a Gators fan....unless they are playing either the Semenholes of course.....but I am REALLY happy they spanked Little Nickie Satan and the stooopid "Roll Tide" like they did. I might even go out and buy a Gator Jersey.... nah, that aint gonna happen, but once again, Congrats Gators and good job.
SPread schmed. Who cares about the spread, unless you are a gambler of course. I would say being beaten by 11 is a enough of a spanking. Where I did screw up is posting this in a DRAFT forum
I think he has the size/speed (assuming he does indeed run the 4.58 forty scouts think he can) to be a tight end. The questions I have are obvious. What are his hands like? Can he run routes? Can he pass block? How about run block? Many questions would have to be answered if he was to change positions. I know he played TE for one year and then went to QB full-time so I don't know how he does those with those questions above. He has a great work ethic though. I hope he succeeds at the next level though, he's a great person. I just have questions at QB and if he changes positions.
Looking at this again, he's going to have to put on weight if he is 235-238 lbs. He still has to run the forty and manage to answer all those questions above to make the change to a TE. That's going to be difficult. Then at FB, he has to answer some of the same questions. I'm not sure if he has any other choice but to play Quarterback and he has the questions to answer that were previously mentioned.
I wasn't aware of McAfee handling punts. Seems like he is the Chris Gardocki of the 2009 draft. He could possibly save a roster space for some team come April.
IMO Tebow's biggest adjustment will be with the timing of playing QB under center after playing in the spread. That is a difficult hurdle so I believe he will be a project but also that his potential is very high. I don't believe that switching a QB's mindset from run-first to pass-first is that of big a hurdle. I remember Steve Young talking about how he had a run-first mentality in the NFL (his words) and that Bill Walsh was the one who taught him to have a pass-first mentality. I think Tebow's NFL success will depend upon whether or not he lands in the right situation. I think he has the talent to adapt to most NFL systems but that adaptation may require a coach who can afford to be patient with him.
Man I really need to get TiVo ( I take it that's how you guys record all these games). I find myself in awe as to how much you guys know about all these college players. I spend so much time trying to catch up on all these players and I'm still behind lol. Any sites that are more informative about college players (scouting reports or something)? I guess I just gotta try harder :P
That's why I always make a point to say BPA within reason- I would pass on a QB or Moreno. I would look at OLB/ILB/NT/WR/FS/SS and to a slightly lesser extent OL and CB. I'm still troubled by the C and S positions- I've just about had it with Satele and I have yet to see what AL Johnson can do. My basic theory is that Centers and Safeties aren't considered "prime" or "core" positions, a la the Ireland/Parcells philosophy. But if you can plug a hole and get an Olin Kreutz/Nick Mangold type talent at a need position- do it, and be set for a decade. Same thing for S- where did Ed Reed go? Only one guy out there worth a 1st at that position- William Moore. Mack still seems like a fit to me- a 6-4 315 butt kicker who would start from day 1 over Satele- why waste time. I would be really happy to get him but-I've found my first draft/man crush of the year- Antoinne Caldwell. I'd like to see him put on 10 lbs, but geez that guy is good.
DVD recorder works too. I use it and love it. I can get just about 3 games onto 1 DVD, which works for me.
With all this talk about Tebow, I'm about ready to off myself. There were 43 other guys on the field, for cryin' out loud... Speaking of which, what do those in the know think of the FL pass-catchers? Other than Hernandez, I'm not sure any are worth more than a 3rd Rd. pick, and I'd have to study Hernandez's blocking more. Jones for Ala is top-5 in the SEC as far as I'm concerned, and he can only get better. I think that Hayden and Jenkins, the CBs for FL will bear watching next year also. A little suspect in fundamentals and consistency, but both are decent tacklers and have a knack for coming up w/ big plays. Wright I'm not so high on. He takes bad pursuit angles and is terrible at finding the ball when it's in the air. Playing at FS, he should be better with that. Did anyone else notice they went to Moody when the needed to run it down AL throats?? I understand that he may not be as fast as Demps or Rainey, but his ability to break tackles more than ankles has me intrigued. If he can stop putting the ball on the turf and get out of Urban's dog house, I'd like to see him on the field more. He might end up being a better pro prospect than either one of those other two(at HB anyway).
Louis Murphy should go pretty high. Give Tebow his due, he deserves it. Put up 31 pts on Alabama with Harvin and one of their top RB's gone.
