Allegedly Sparano Offered and Accepted Job

i am so happy and the people who crapped on the dolphins the last couple of years are going to be sorry

 

ur right good time are coming and i wouldnt be to sure about the playoffs after our 4-12 season in 2004 we went 9-7 and if the Pats wouldnt have won there last game we would have been in the Playoffs anything can happen in the NFL

 

the draft is pretty deep this year, which is a great time for the phins to have the first pick, this could be THE draft that sets us up, last years draft was a good start also

 

Well don't get me wrong, i'd certainly love it if we pull off a successful season capped by a playoff birth. Hell, the Saints did it two years ago right?

 

why should it look bad if the Tuna's top choice for the job is an African-American?, who just happens to be unavailable

 

yea i think the Saints only had like 2 or 3 wins to thats not much more then what we have and we play some pretty easy teams next year

 

You're right. It's not so much an image thing I guess, just don't want to be slapped by the front office. I think they only give a fine, though, not make you forfeit draft picks. Probably one of those secretive variables that go into distributing comp picks. J/K

 

Parcells has clearly helped Crennels position in negotiating an extension with the Browns, even while missing the playoffs.

 

Palmer first worked under Bill Parcells as the New England Patriots wide receivers coach from 1993-95. In 1996, he became the quarterbacks coach, where he worked with Drew Bledsoe as they advanced to Super Bowl XXXI.

Following Super Bowl XXXI, he joined the Jacksonville Jaguars, spending the 1997-98 seasons as offensive coordinator under head coach Tom Coughlin.


Palmer became the head coach of the reborn Cleveland Browns for the 1999-2000 seasons, the first two for the "new" Browns after the original team had moved to Baltimore. With a roster full of inexperienced players and cast-offs from other franchises, Palmer struggled to get the team competitive, especially on offense. Palmer was fired after posting a 5-27 record in two seasons, and was succeeded by former University of Miami coach Butch Davis.

In 2002, he became the offensive coordinator of the Houston Texans under head coach Dom Capers. He remained with Houston until he was fired in Week 2 of the 2005 NFL season as a result of Houston's lackluster offense.

In January 2006, several months after his firing from Houston, Palmer was hired by the Dallas Cowboys to be the quarterbacks coach. He was reunited with head coach Bill Parcells and quarterback Drew Bledsoe whom he had worked with during his days with the New England Patriots

In January 2007, Palmer was hired by the New York Giants as their new Quarterback Coach, reuniting with the team's Head Coach, Tom Coughlin, whom he worked with in Jacksonville.

 

Sparano might have his own idea for his OC

scratch that, just found out that Palmer and Sparano have a history

 

You can bet though tomorrow PFT will have a story about Sparano being offered the job and how the NFL could take action against the Dolphins for violating the Rooney Rules even with the Frazier interview. You just know they will go with this story.

 

Yeah, he strikes me as a guy that rarely misses a meal, especially a free one !

 

the Rooney rule needs scrutiny not the Phins

the Rooney rule is in no way being violated, a minority candidate is being interviewed. it will be a valuable experiance for Frazier if he wants to take it.

if Frazier keeps excelling, he will have more HC interviews and will be better at them because of what he learns from his first one

that is one of the values of the Rooney rule, it is far from perfect but it is as good as it gets

 

So when the Dolphins were all set to hire Cam and the NFL stepped in to say "you need to interview a minority candidate" and the Dolphins brought Art Shell in for a sham interview, that isn't violating the rules?

What exactly did Shell get out of it other than a free lunch because of the color of his skin?

The Rooney rule is condescending and useless because teams ignore it.

 

good point, perhaps the rule could be improved by dictating whom is a viable candidate

for the sake of upward mobility, it could be stipulated that at least one minority interview take place with a currently employed assistant. this would really help a guy like Bowles

 

Saban.

 

I don't think that the NFL can dictate who a team hires, but they need to find a way to make it fair. Maybe if it's obvious that a team brought in a minority candidate just to satisfy the Rooney rule, maybe the NFL needs to fine the team or take away a draft pick.

Really? I could have sworn it was last year.

 

Shell was brought in for an interview as we were about to offer Saban the job. However with the Rooney Rule, the Dolphins were warned and had to set up the meeting. Miami interviewed like 12 people last year and Gailey seemed to be the front runner until the day before they decided when they had a second interview the Cameron.

 

Good god my memory is shot.

Thanks for that bud, appreciate it.

 

I don't think dictating that a minority candidate be an active assistant is anywhere close to dictating who they hire. if they want to interview a Bowles and a former HC like Shell, then they would be free to. if the Rooney rule can help professional development of minorities then why not?

lets say that Bill Cowher was a minority, the tweaked rule would dictate that a team interviewing Cowher would still have to interview another minority who happens to be an assistant. it is a win-win, the team could still have Cowher as a candidate and a guy like Bowles would still get experiance in the interview process. AND the Art Shell shams would be a thing of the past

 

CNNSI is reporting the Phins denial and the have mispelled Sparano's name in TWO different ways

 

There were two minority head coaches in the NFL when the Rooney Rule was enacted in December 2002. That number jumped to seven last season, though two of those coaches -- Dennis Green in Arizona and Art Shell in Oakland -- have since been fired.

Another reason why there are more minority head coaches today is because there are a lot more minority assistant coaches than in the past.

The Rooney Rule has had the desired effect however minority hiring can be better.

The advocates of the rule point out that the biggest thing it has done is that it's given minority coaching candidates something they may not have gotten in the past: a chance.

 

The day we hired Parcells, I called:

HC - Tony Sparano
OC - Chris Palmer
DC - Todd Bowles

It's probably going to be:

HC - Tony Sparano
OC - Chris Palmer
DC - Rex Ryan

But that's even better. Things are finally looking up in South Florida.

 

At the risk of hijacking this thread; I just wanted to say I agree with you. It's a shame that this rule is even necessary. It's even more of a tragedy that in the 21st century within this so-called enlightened society that we need rules and laws to compel people to do the right thing.
And yeah, the rule really is patronizing. Unfortunately, there's really no way to prove a team's sincerity when a minority candidate is interviewed.

 

I have this crazy - no, insane - gut feeling that Sparano is a smokescreen. And that the real all-but-hired HC is Garrett.

I don't know why, it just keeps popping into my head.

 

A gig in Oakland one year later? Yes, the whole thing was a farce, but there's a reason coaches like Shell or Frazier actually take and like these "opportunities": they generate popularity and they give them a valuable dry run for their "real" interview. If Farzier isn't ****y about it (and I don't think he is), he's going to ask Parcells and Ireland what he has to improve on and how he came across after the interview.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like the underlying racism either. But as long as it actually benefits the minority candidates, I don't see that big a problem, although I'd much rather have a world in which these rules weren't necessary, too.

What I can't help but wondering, however, is what actually constitutes a minority candidate. Why isn't Sparano - as an American from Italien decent - considered a minority candidate but Frazier is? How many Italo-Americans have a head coaching job in the NFL? To a European like myself, it seems that minority is a euphemism for black here. Can anyone clarify this?

 

Yea man i really like your point its kinda odd how the rule is basically for african american coaches well and a few others i guess but yea why not change the rule where you have to interview at least 3 people that seems better.

 

If you pulled a rosters of all the teams and their ethnic backgrounds: African-Americans would be the majority and caucasian would be the minority just before Samoans.

I understand giving everyone a fair chance but what if a rule was passed that all teams had to have an equal number of races on it?

 

Only if the team interviewing them is serious about it IMO.

 

I don't know about that, Shell had already been there and done that with the Raiders.

Well, lets not beat around the bush, the NFL owners and FO's are predominantly white, making the "minority" black. I understand where you're coming from, but lets be upfront about it, it's okay to say it.

I agree that it's that sad that it has come down to this, that in this day and age we need a rule to give people an opportunity to get a job. But I question the effectiveness, it seems that once Sparano was mentioned as Parcells guy, we all went on watch for "the black guy", because as soon as one was interviewed we could then sign Sparano.

I wonder what goes through the head of a black candidate as he's sitting there listening to an owner and GM after reading/hearing in the news that they already made up their minds on another guy.

 

Definitely. They are accommodating the rule, the will name him the coach after the next interview of Frazier on Monday.

 

I dont want to be the "bad guy" here BUT if you tell someone your going to hire them BEFORE you complete the interview process, which would include a minority, with other candidates you have violated the Rooney rule...sorry guys but thats a violation.

Now I cant believe that the phins would be so sloopy about this concidering that Parcells is close to Harry Carson who is involved with the Fritz Pollard group so something about this story doesnt jive with me, ofcourse if its true and the NFL does find that its a violation thats a very bad first impression IMO for the Parcells era.

 

I will wait till this all shakes out and see if FRITZ POLLARD or the NFL has anything to say. But right now, The Rooney Rule only requires National Football League teams to interview minority candidates for a head coaching opportunity.

If we fail to INTERVIEW a minority candidate then I see a violation, until then its not a violation of the INTERVIEW process.

 

I agree plus the Dolphins have denied the reports of offering him the job. He flew to Baltimore afterwards anyway, so if he had accepted any offer why go anywhere?

 

BIgDOG I believe you may be correct however to me it seems to defeat the rule if you "tell" or inform someone they will be chosen before you actually have the "minority" interview.

 

I have seen many on this board take this stance. But you would have to convince me (the owners really) that the Rooney Rule is a HIRING rule to have the concept of "DEFEAT or CIRCUMVENT the RULE" coming into play. As it stands, the Rooney Rule is about INTERVIEWING and not about HIRING.

So one INTERVIEW and any offers attached has nothing to do with another INTERVIEW prior to or after the fact. Does it seem stupid, absolutely it does, if and only if, you view the Rooney Rule as a HIRING rule.

The example for past fines or violations is the Detriot Lions and hiring Mariucci, after Marty Mornhinweg was fired, without ever INTERVIEWING a black/minority candidate.

So just INTERVIEW a minority, give them a chance to improve their skills with critique and feedback and say basically you arent a fit now, but we appreciate the interview and will share this information with any other owner that asks, etc.

 

True, but I think the spirit of the rule when it was conceived was to "interview in good faith, not just to skirt the rule" which seems to be the case, especially for Miami.

 

If the RULE is an INTERVIEW rule, and not a HIRING rule, you can only skirt if by not INTERVIEWING.

So many people read into it, or imply what they think it means, without using the language of the rule as your guide. Rooney was no idiot and neither are the OWNERS (Ralph Wilson aside) that vote for it as it is written and use it accordingly. It has led to more minority (Black) hirings, but the rule is about INTERVIEWING only. Nothing to skirt unless to fail you INTERVIEW, there is no such thing as good faith or Spirit during an INTERVIEW at all.