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Anyone concerned with lack of touches for Ronnie Brown?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by BuckeyeKing, Sep 28, 2010.

  1. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I can't be the only one to see Ronnie get the shaft in the base offense. It seems like Ronnie got most of his touches in the WC while Ricky got his in the base. I'm not basing this solely on the Jets game because it was apparent against the Bills and Vikes. I think we are misusing Brown big time and I'm not sure how we can waste a weapon like that.

    Say what you want about Cam Cameron as the HC but he knew the value in Ronnie and made him into a pro bowl all-purpose back before he got injured. Its just troubling to see the 2nd biggest threat outside Marshall get so few touches.
     
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  2. The Aqua Crush

    The Aqua Crush New Member

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    I agree, and it brings up the question are split back scenario's better when one back gets multiple touches in a row, and it is better than rotating them in and out constantly.

    I heard a back on Sirius (can't remember who) who said he is much more effective when he gets several carries in a row to get on a roll. He said getting one carry then sideline then one carry a few plays later it's tough to "get goin". When they use him exclusively for multiple plays he is much more effective.

    I wonder if it's a combination of things, all speculation of course.

    1. Contract year, limiting his carries so he isn't a huge contract renewal.
    2. Henning strategy to attack a D. I agree three weeks in a row, limited use of Ronnie.
    3. Health concerns. Perhaps they want to limit him so he can last a full season, or be effective in the second half.
    4. No particular reason. Want to utilize both backs. Make the next team we play gameplan for both styles of runners.

    If it is going to be a fairly even split touches, i would prefer they try to give full drives to one or the other. Let each back get in a grove and on a roll without heading to the sidelines after each play or each couple of plays. Or more sets where they are both in at the same time (similar to how NO used Bush and Thomas flanked beside Brees at the same time and both went to the flats to spread the D out)

    I would also like to see how many traditional rushes we run in the middle, right and left side of the line. I'm under the impression the left side has seen the fewest rushes. Which woudl be really baffling. Longs a road grader, a large majority of our runs should be behind him.

    One thing is for certain, our running game needs to be more explosive. It's been severly underperforming so far and we need them to contribute to stay competative in this league. I think the team will figure it out but a couple more games with a poor running attack and it could really raise some questions.
     
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  3. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Don't worry, you're not the only 1. Ricky getting more/equal the carries of Ronnie, is yet another blunder on Henning or Sparano, or whoever. Ricky Williams is showing his age with a pathetic 3.4 YPC while Ronnie is breaking off long runs and is averaging 5.4 YPC. Did I mention that Ricky is still the fumbler he always was?
     
  4. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    As long as we have Ronnie in weeks 8-16, im ok with limiting his carries. For now.
     
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  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    i think the bold part is why we're using him sparingly. we know that if we make the playoffs we need a healthy ronnie. ricky in the playoffs is just not the same threat. i think we can continue to use him sparingly the first half of the season and see where we are. when we need him to run we will feed him the ball but for now i'm cool with him getting as few carries as possible. we're winning without him and until that changes i say save him for the second half or until we really need him
     
  6. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Will the FO still show the confidence in Ricky even though he keeps putting the ball on the turf? I'm not so sure, I think Ronnie is going to get at least 20 carries against New England. I always thought Ricky would be better late game because the defense would be gassed.
     
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  7. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    It's number 3 on aqua's list. Number 3 on Aqua's list is also the reason
    why they have not had a contract discussion.
     
  8. krypto

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    Ummmm, I only know of 1 long run that Ronnie "broke" and that was the Vikings and without that long run, Ronnie YPC drops to a 4.0 so take it easy....
     
  9. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    That's the point though. Ronnie is breaking loose while Ricky really isn't
     
  10. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I understand wanting to save him for later in the season to keep him from getting injured...but if we are under 500 later in the season because we didn't play him, it really won't matter if he's healthy.
     
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  11. gamblerx

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    Drop the Wildcat-Offense. It's becoming ineffective. Let Brown run the ball.
     
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  12. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    You have to figure this is as much about 'saving' him for later in the season (although I personally don't think Sparano buys into that aspect of his utilizing of RB) as it is about bringing him back from his injury in a more steady run. A Lis Franc injury can take as much as 18 months to come back from completely....It's still less than a year for RB...

    That said, I certainly hope that is what he's doing with RB, as holding him back just doesn't make sense for any other reason....
     
  13. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    LMAO. Cam Cameron did no such thing. He had Ronnie returning KO's in the preseason and coming off of the bench in favor of Jesse the Body Chapman. When the season started, Ronnie had his job back but Trent Green was throwing 50 times a game while Ronnie barely got a dozen touches. It wasn't until we were about 0-3 that Cam started getting Ronnie the ball. I agree with your overall point though. Ronnie needs to touch it 20-25 times via runs and receptions. I can only guess at why it's not happening but once Ricky fumbles a couple more times, that'll force the coaches to play #23.
     
  14. funkdat

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    Ricky has been getting more touched in the base offense for over two years now, then you add in that Ronnie is not near 100% yet, makes sense to me that Ricky would be getting the ball more right now.

    Ronnie will look alot better 8 weeks from now then he does now just because he's coming back from an injury.

    He is pro bowl all-purpose back when he's 100% healthy but right now he looks no where near that.
     
  15. steveincolorado

    steveincolorado Spook, Storme & Pebbles

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    I agree that we should have ran the ball more. Baltimore ran it 30+ times against the Jets. I think the Jets D would have been dead in the 4th if we would have just pounded the ball at them more.
     
  16. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    they'll do that in the next game. next game will be a low scoring affair for both teams
     
  17. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Hard to pound the ball when you're down 14 and your backs keep fumbling. Also, I don't think I could take another week of "Were too conservative" threads.
     
  18. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I think there is a certain point in the season where we must go with Ronnie, we haven't reached it yet as it's too early (keeping him "fresh" and limiting his carries is understandable given the injuries)... although if Ricky keeps putting the ball on the ground, we'll be there quicker than the coaches would have preferred. We as fans want Ronnie out there all the time, makes sense... but coaches see this as a marathon rather than a sprint.
     
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  19. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    So when you get back in the game run the ball and wear them down with a long drive and by all means stop marching Ronnie out in the WC only. Let him run the football out of base.

    Is it really a happier world losing a football game by opening it up or winning an ugly game and having the fans calling us too conservative?
    I know my answer to that question.
     
  20. firedan

    firedan Well-Known Member

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    Anyone concerned with the Carries Ronnie Brown is getting?
    I'll bet Ronnie Brown is!
     
  21. rafael

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    That is my biggest complaint with the offense. RB should be getting more touches in the base offense and he should be our third down back. RWs has always been fumble prone. In fact, he's even more turnover prone than our passing is on a per attempt basis. He is clearly a lesser back than RB is now. IMO the use of RW in our base offense contributed to the ineffectiveness of our running game and our over reliance on the pass against the Jets. It wasn't the only factor, but it was a factor. I would prefer to see a 2/3 RB - 1/3 RW split going forward. I think the goal should be to get RB 15 - 17 carries in the run game and another 3 - 5 receptions. RW should get about 10 carries and really should only be an outlet safety valve as a receiver.
     
  22. SICK

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    ronnie brown has always been great reciveing the ball. very good hands. Id like to see more swing routes for him, and more out routes, digs out of the backfield. even the wheel routes we sometimes run are most of the time successful.

    Getting him more involved is important.
     

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