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Armando's Article, which I agree with.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KB21, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Which is basically saying that because he is Peyton Manning, he is going to defy age and medical odds, come back, and play for the next 10 years at a high level. Just because he is Peyton Manning.
     
  2. PhinsPhan23

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    Wow, sounds very similar to this situation. I recall Brees having a really good last 2 years for the Chargers. Not Peyton Manning good, but definitely Franchise QB good. BUT, they took Rivers, the younger high upside guy and moved on from Brees. To the OP, this is almost an identical situation to what's going on in Indy.
     
  3. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Well if you're going to throw in all sorts of extra crap I never said, I guess it makes my point look pretty foolish.

    I'm basically saying that the doctors will examine the specific person, Peyton Manning, and see where his health is at. If it's as bad as you speculate, then he won't be signed.
     
  4. KB21

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    If you are putting your trust into doctors that are hired by the NFL, then you are putting your trust into the people that pull their strings. Fact is, these doctors use the NFL gigs as a marketing tool. When they are dealing with the NFL players, they are very open to having their arms twisted and possibly clearing players that shouldn't be cleared. So, in this case, you have an owner that as expressed his desire to sign Peyton Manning. Do not think for a minute that he will not go to the team doctors, let his desires be known about Peyton Manning, and basically twist the doctors arms to get on board and declare him fit and ready to go.
     
  5. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Stephen Ross is a business man. He's not going to invest millions of dollars into an asset that won't produce. And like any product or person he's ever invested in, he'll conduct his due diligence. He's not a petulant fan who is going to let his emotions about a player force him into a bad decision.

    The very notion that you think he would tell a doctor to give him bad advice about a player's medical status is ludicrous.
     
  6. KB21

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    You haven't talked with very many team docs have you.
     
  7. rafael

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    At this point in time we (as a species) do not know how to repair nerves. This applies even to the NFL doctors. Their job is to clear away whatever they believe is causing the damage and then wait and hope the nerve repairs itself. I fully trust them to do that. You don't need to see Manning's x-rays or MRI to know that. Progress is expected, but we (as a species) cannot say how much of the nerve will regenerate. This applies even to NFL doctors. Manning could progress to the point where he can throw those slow passes on a video and never get any better. No doctor can say that his progress will continue whether he has access to Manning's specifics or not. And you're right, one is educated speculation and the other blind hope. All I've said from the beginning is that Manning is a bad bet. It is a fact that the vast majority of people never get back to 100% after an injury severe enough that the nerve doesn't start to regenerate immediately. It's rare enough that of the dozens of patients I've spoken to and the medical professionals who had seen several hundreds of these cases between them (I don't have an exact number for them) had not seen one reach 100% nerve regeneration. Many had regained enough to be functional (and are considered successes), but were not 100%. Further those recoveries tend to take around a year. From the beginning I have said that the timing is wrong for us. Manning had the last surgery in September. The team has to make a a FA decision in March, a draft decision in April and start the preseason in August. The latest "report" is that Manning may be ready in May. That date has been ever moving b/c nobody can predict the nerve regeneration, not even NFL doctors. This applies to all humans, it even applies to Manning. So if Manning does recover enough functionality to play as an NFL QB it will be way after the team will have had to have made it's FA and draft decisions. If the team decides to wait and hope and cross his fingers, there's no doctor, even someone examining Manning at the time who can tell you how much of a recovery that will be.
     
  8. Larryfinfan

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    I gotcha, Monst. I'm going to say this sarcastically, but are you referring to the same NFL type doctors that suggested we choose CPep over Brees.... Sorry, I had to say that...it's just me being my more conservative self, but I think we're fighting a battle with Manning that we're much more likely to lose than to win...I hope, if they do go after Manning that I'm proven wrong..
     
  9. MonstBlitz

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    Well, in that case you have the other scenario. Brees was obviously healthy enough to play at a high level, but the word of the team doctors caused the Dolphins to not offer a contract. So, in that regard, I think we can trust that team doctors aren't going to give a green light if they don't think the player is healthy enough to play.
     
  10. Larryfinfan

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    Actually, you've got that first part wrong...He is not going to knowingly invest millions of dollars into an asset that won't produce. The point that KB and Raf have been making, more than anything else is that we won't know come later today, when it's announced that he's been cut, just how far along Manning is in his rehab and throwing ability. We also can assume that he won't be 'ready' now even if we signed him at 4:01pm today...and more importantly we won't know when or if he will be 'ready' as the Manning of 2010 when he played last. We've seen dates of March, April, May, July, September and ever bantered about...Which is correct we won't know.

    Does Ross/Ireland wait until he's 'ready' before they sign him ?? How will that affect Philbin's ability to conduct and get the offseason installed and the 'new' offense installed ?? Do they sign him with the hope that he'll be ready at some point in the future ??

    If we, as fans, are having this much doubt about whether to take a risk with Manning, imagine what the football folks are feeling right about now...It's a huge, huge loss on several different fronts for us if you miss on this call...
     
  11. dsteve

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    taking manning gives us two to three years to keep looking for a qb. taking flynn means the same thing if he doesn't pan out. 2-3 years of a bad flynn of 2-3 years of a slightly less effective peyton manning are the two doomsday situations. which is worse?
     
  12. KB21

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    The chances that Peyton Manning will be a shell of his former self and will be unable to give the team 2-3 years of strong play is significantly more than the chances that Matt Flynn will tank and not be productive in this offense, IMO.
     

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