I don't know exactly how different Lazor's scheme will be from Hennin... er, um Sherman's. :shifty: I would just like fewer boneheaded calls, such as calling a stretch play on 4th and goal from the 1. Sherman drove me nuts.

 

absolutely. Move him around like the Panthers did with Smitty. Keep him moving, never know where hes coming from

 

In theory its ideal to be able to move players around in formations. The problem is that in practice it usually requires multiple players to be making the correct reads in order to execute, and creates a lot more room for error.

 

It really is not an easy thing to do. A lot of QBs have problems reading defenses on their own. Add in the necessity of 5 skill position players all having to make the correct read, and it becomes much more difficult. If one makes a bad read, it blows everything up.

 

How nice of Wallace to interrupt his nap to answer some questions.

 

Don't be too sure. Remember Chad Johnson? He had issues learning audibles and sight adjustments and when he couldn't get by on talent alone, he was on his way out of the league.

 

And yet other teams were able to do it.

 

Yes. A lot of those teams are doing it with QBs that play at a high-level, and aren't in their second season. Or teams that have more experience than Miami. You're necessitating not only players that are very smart, but it also requires a lot of experience and chemistry among the skill players and the QB. NE is a great example here - they require a very specific type of receiver, and their offense struggles without them.

My point wasn't to say it is impossible. My point was that it isn't as easy as saying "lets move Wallace around". You need to be able to get all the position players and QB to get all the mental stuff down. I seriously doubt Mike Sherman believed that moving Wallace around wouldn't be beneficial, and that Bill Lazor realizes he should do it, so it will happen. The challenge for the OC is getting the players to grasp the mental aspects. Getting young players like Lamar Miller, Rishard Mathews, Dion Sims, etc. to eliminate a lot of their mental mistakes.

 

He is so excited that he aint care about practicing with them.....

 

Would you attribute the same reasoning for taking a Qb who is lethal on the run, from both sides, and restricting him to the pocket?

 

That, too. I'm just so used to being disappointed that I don't want to have too many hopes about the new offense this season. I'm fully expecting to be let down again.

 

I'm not really sure what contributed to Tannehill moving out of the pocket, or not moving out of it. We have coaches saying they wanted him to stay in the pocket, but in reality such a statement could very well mean they coached him not to break it prematurely, as opposed to them being overzealous in making him stay in there.

 

Well we have that issue, them teaching him not to escape, but we also had the issue of not calling enough designed pays that take advantage of the most lethal part of his arsenal.

 

I think Lazor is gonna make a HUGE difference this season..hes not set in his ways like Sherman was...and hes had experience seeing how Chip Kellys offense can be damn near unstoppable. Hell..I could care less if we threw the ball 15 times and ran it 60...if its fast paced..and keeps other teams off balance..thats what I want to see

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You know our head coach will have you believe that nothing is really gonna change..

 

DJ ..if we run Lazors offense the way it should be run...we shouldnt see Tannehill have to run. Im fine with Tannehill being steadfast in not relying on his legs. Im sure he knows he could pull it down and run..but then it always becomes his fallback option. We need to make a good wager. You decide..I say Thill out plays both CKap and Rwilson this season

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yes..but in all honesty..what if he did say it was gonna change..it would be wide open and explosive...youd still be skeptical..and say ya..Ill believe it when I see it. Id rather he just say little and show it on field

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I think Philbin meant that there's not a brand new offense being installed. If Lazor can call plays properly & our line holds up for more than 2.4 seconds, then our offense will be drastically different.

 

He also has to skirt around not dissing Mike Sherman. But hey, that's what we're here for.

 

Yeah it seems he's going above and beyond protecting that some major overhaul is gonna commence..

He thinks football is a simple game, well, it is until it becomes predictable..when the defense knows they have an athletic Qb that barely runs and that the coordinator doesn't move the pocket, it really helps the defense.

 

The playbook doesn't make a team predictable or not, its how the game is called by the coordinators that make a team different (and talent of course.).

 

We didn't move the pocket, we didn't move Wallace around at all, I hope it's more different then he's alluding to..I understand most concepts regardless of what you call the offense are similar in design but id like to think our new coordinator has some new concepts and designs.

 

True..

 

Well, when someone says they wanted him moved it doesn't necessarily mean the players must all make the same reads, does it? If you put him in a pre-snap motion all the players know the play being called, and know where he's going to end up. If I recall, Bruce Arians put him in motion a lot, and lined him up in the slot etc. We're not talking Tom Brady level sophistication here. Just something other then, line up on the right, Go.

 

WADR, how did you "check" that the call to run 3 times in a row was Philbin's?

 

Running the ball was the right call in that spot. Had we lost it would have been on the D for pretending the game was already over.

 

Ok, thank you.

However, his explanation of his strategy was solid and it also worked, so why are you second guessing it?

 

You're talking about broad concepts of safe play or going for it. The thing is Philbin is not afraid to go for it. He's not always safe like Sparano was. He assessed the specific situation he was in, and deemed it was better for him to get the Steelers to burn their TOs. Right or wrong, works or not, its not a consistent with him. He doesn't always play it safe and he doesn't always go for it. If you ask me (and I know you didn't :lol:) that's precisely what you want in a coach.

 

All this. Sherman is consistently the fall guy but he was acting under Philbin's command and direction. And Philbin didn't want to fire him. Play calling was an obvious issue last year and Philbin was at the bottom of it

 

If we had offensive linemen other than Pouncey who were athletic enough to move the pocket and able to pull so as to blow up lateral pursuit, Sherman wouldn't have had to call the kind of predictable plays he was always calling. My guess is that he was calling many of those plays because he knew the guys we had couldn't execute what needed to be called. I'm as disappointed in Sherman as the next guy, but you do have to spot him that his options were limited by lack of talent on the OL.

 

Not obviously, actually. First, even if it was Sherman, if Philbin had an issue he would correct it, he never did. That implies it was Philbin behind those calls.

And this basically confirms it.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...0914_1_joe-philbin-dion-jordan-ryan-tannehill

If Sherman wanted to keep running even when they were getting stuffed, why would he abandon the run when they were getting good yardage on runs? It's Philbin and guess what, he's still here.

 

Isn't pulling supposed to be a strength for Shelly?

 

Not excited enough to show up and work out with Tannehill like all the other receivers. I guess they are even MORE excited than Wallace. Or just not as lazy.