Why? will watching his performance cause it to crash? Oh, never mind. I see what you meant. lol.

 

Wow, a laptop joke. Didn't see that coming.

All sarcasm aside, I'm looking forward to see what he does in this workout.

 

If he dropped to 15, then that would be even more reason to NOT take him. I'd love it if he were there at 15 though....... so we could trade out of it easily.

 

Passing on QBs is working well for us so far. If Newton drops into our laps we should certainly continue!

Newton dropping to 15 is something I can't see happening though, just to much talent.

 

Hide you kids, hide your wives, hide your kids, hide your wives, and hide your husbands.......

 

Trade up to get him!!!

 

Then why take anyone. If anyone is there at 15, why bother

 

There's a difference and you know it, but you're just baiting me so I'll play along. lol. :tongue2:

Half the league would like a franchise QB. If a highly regarded QB falls, then there's more to it than teams ahead of us "not needing one", where as an OLB, RB, etc could fall a few spots simply b/c teams ahead of us have another position prioritized.

Newton has All-World talent that's worthy of a #1 overall pick <if talent were the only factor>. If he's there at 15, that means that every QB in the league passed on him or is scared by him----- the teams in front of us would've passed on him, and the teams behind us who didn't pull the trigger on trading up would also be considered "passing on him". If he fell to #15 and we took him, we'd become the Bengals, a team who drafts on upside alone hoping they find an elite player. Boom-bust...... leaning towards bust, and I personally don't think drafting boom-bust type prospects at QB is the wisest idea considering their lofty fail rate.

 

Man is Marcel Dareus a beast..I just saw him and Newton on a play go toe to toe, naked bootleg, Marcel read it perfectly, just the two in the flat with about 5 yards of space between them, Newton put an ankle breaker on him, Marcel mimicked, Newton put another move on him, than another, Marcell mimicked perfectly, newton tried to bail to the edge, and got pounced...

 

Like when Ben Rothlesburger fell, totally a huge bust.

 

And that pot smoker in the 83 draft :wink2:

 

It is a good thing Shula passed on Marino. :)

 

There were other QBs available who were taken higher than Ben, same for Marino, so its a different situation this year. Newton and Gabbert are the consensus top QBs, if either one takes a tumble to 15, past the half dozen QB needy teams, it wont be b/c teams are taking Mallett or Locker instead. It'll be b/c they are taking a DL, WR, OLB, CB etc and IMO its a sign that there may be a problem with Newton or Gabbert.

Either way, both of them are better off going to teams who can afford to wait 2-3 years before putting them on the field, and I seriously doubt that would happen in Miami.

 

lol at that. Are you trying to make yourself look bad? :tongue2: I hope you're not comparing Roethlisberger from lil ole Miami of Ohio drafted at #11 to Cam Newton falling to #15. lol.

Is this the same Roethlisberger that the Bills tried to trade up into the top 10 to get?...... the same Ben from a 2004 draft class who had Eli Manning and Rivers drafted in the top 3?---- sure, that's not a legit reason to push him further down the board, huh? lol. What am I thinking to not expect Miami of Ohio Roethlisberger be drafted ahead of those star bigger school guys?! What am I thinking to not expect the other 8 teams in the top 10 to not take him when poor prospects like Larry Fitzgerald, Sean Taylor, Kellen Winslow, DeAngelo Hall, and Roy Williams are on the board.

Why don't we look at the top 10 while we're at it <just for fun>.

1. NY- Eli Manning (Ben's a potential bust for not being taken here)
2. Oak- Robert Gallery. (They passed on Rivers, so I guess Rivers should've been a huge bust, too)
3. SD- Rivers. (Ben should've been a bust for Rivers going before him). <sarcasm>
4. Zona- Larry Fitz (hard to pass on an elite BPA for small school prospect at #4)
5. Wash- Sean Taylor (rare elite Safety prospect, and they just signed Mark Brunell)
6. Clev- Winslow Jr (rare elite TE prospect whom they TRADED UP FOR. Browns had just signed Jeff Garcia)
7. Det- Roy Williams (Quick, someone tell the Lions they're foolish for not taking 2 QBs in the top 7 over a 3 year period. lol.)
8. Atl- DeAngelo Hall (Falcons must be nuts for passing on Ben with young Vick at QB)
9. Jax- Reggie Williams (How silly of me to think Jags don't take Ben after using a #7 pick on Leftwich the year before)
10. Hou- Dunta Williams (Ben is definitely a buster when Texans pass on him despite taking Carr #1 two seasons prior)

I just cant see why Ben wasn't drafted in the top 10 when 2 elite QBs were taken before him, with 4 other teams recently using a top 7 pick on a QB, and 2 other teams picking up their QB in FA <sarcasm again>. Gheesh..... thanks for correcting me. What would I do without you? lol. :shifty:

The only spots Ben could've gone are at #2 & #4, and that' a stretch based on his level of competition. If Cam falls, it's not b/c teams don't need him, haven't spent a recent 1st rounder on QB, or haven't picked one up in FA. It would be because the dont want him.

 

That is silly. The only reason Miami shouldn't take either QB is because of their own research. They shouldn't worry to much about what other teams think.

Unless you are willing to make the same statement if Julius Jones isn't drafted by the Rams, then the Dolphins shouldn't draft him because that is a red flag.

 

LMAO!

Bad example, bro. Go and look at the teams who picked before the Steelers. There were only 2 other QBs taken before Ben. Rivers, who is better, and Eli, who is only considered to be good because of his name but at the time people thought he was going to be Peyton 2.0.

The rest of the teams who picked before the Steelers, except for maybe the Lions (who could mess up a wet dream), didn't really think they needed a QB. Ben went 11th overall too.

 

Just showing in simplicity the folly of your statement.

 

Damn! You beat me to it and explained it better than I did too. lol

 

if Cam Newton is there at #15 and miami thinks he is worth the spot, Miami should jump on picking him. Having him fall to 15 shouldn't factor AT ALL in their decision.

 

LOL! Yes it should.

 

LOL! No it shouldn't.

You should not run a football team based on making decisions like how a 12 year old girl decides how to buy their jeans

 

Not the same thing. Julio is a WR. WR isn't the most important position on the field. The Rams could simply see another positional need more important. Plus there are ZERO character risk concerns swirling about Julio...... and he doesn't play a position that requires the strongest mental capability, nor would he be faced with being the face of a franchise. Cmon now.

 

Sorry. I could delete the post if you like, and you can give it a shot instead. I'm cool with that. lol.

 

so it is only quarterbacks that fall into your interesting argument of the Dolphins needing to abandon all their research and only go with what the other teams in front of them do.

 

Each draft is unique. There was very little need for a QB in the top 10 of the 2004 draft. (There was also a lot of talent atop the 04 draft.)

2011 is completely different. There are at least 7 teams in the top 10 who could desperately use a QB (not including Cleveland), with FA not helping.

 

If half the league passes on him b/c they feel he's too much of a bust potential, then I'd rather go with those odds instead of the lone team who thinks he isn't one. Anyone who thinks Cam isn't a boom-bust type player should be allowed no where near a draft room.

 

Each draft is unique, results of each draft is unique as well.

Just because a player falls does not mean that he is going to be a bust. Just because a player rises doesn't mean he is going to be a slam dunk hit.

 

If half the league passes on him because they feel he's too much bust potential then I am very happy you are not making the decisions for the Miami Dolphins. The Dolphins should base their draft picks on their findings and not just jump on bandwagons.

Cam Newton does have a pretty decent chance of being OK. Even though OK is generally seen as a bust when it comes to first round quarterbacks. Pretty all quarterbacks have boom-bust potential due to the nature of the position.

 

LOL! You don't understand one thing going on here.

Where is this 12yr old girl? Who's buying jeans?

The point, of which you can't grasp, is that if....IF....14 teams, 10-12 of which need a QB badly, pass on Cam "The Icon" Newton, then there is probably a very good reason. If 10-12 teams pass him up, the Dolphins better use those 10-12 teams decisions as a HUGE clue and do all they can to see why he was passed over.

 

Yeah, that's gonna really make a difference. Our poor coaching staff has not seen him play in every game since he was born, and need this workout to see if he is any good. PALEEESE!!! C'mon Man.

 

Everything about Newton epitomizes potential bust---- from his history to his decision making...... with the offense he played in along with his questionable intelligence.

If you look up "potential bust" in a football dictionary------ besides a flat-chested cheerleader, you'll see a picture of Brian Bosworth........ holding a picture of JaMarcus Russell....... holding a picture of Cam Newton.

 

You do realize that Brian Bosworth was actually a really good player whose career was cut short due to injurY?

 

I bet Cam Newton has a picture of Ryan Leaf in his pocket.

 

No you do not understand what is going on here.

I understand the point. I just think it is really stupid. The only reason Miami should pass on him is because of their own research and looking at the tape. If they do not believe he is worth the 15th selection in the draft, they should not take him. If they believe he is worth the 15th pick in the draft and he falls to the 15the pick in the draft, then they should.

It is that simple.

 

I do not care what anyone else thinks of Cam Newton. I sincerely believe that, if we take him in the first round, he will be a MUCH better pick than Pat White to run the Wild Cat. I think Ronnie is gone, and Cam is a perfect fit to replace him.

Past that, as a franchise QB, no way, no how, never happen. JMO.

 

LOL! You do realize that when a player is the highest paid rookie ever (up to that point) but only play's 3 years because of injuries he's a bust, right?

 

I'm sure a lot of teams are really glad they passed on Aaron Rodgers in 2005. Wait, what?