Barry Jackson: Miami Dolphins’ offensive line still seeking consistency

"LBsFinest wrote:

lol, don't held your breath on that one. if we bring in a new GM i wouldn't be surprised to see him replace Martin ASAP or bring in a new tackle that outplays him and takes his job.

If there's a word more extreme than "ignorant", that's what'd be used to describe this post.
This is beyond stupidity, yet you somehow cease to shock me. lol
Do you have a wife or daughter, any woman in your family, anyone with no football knowledge, who can take over your posting from here on out? :p

LB, if you ran this team we'd be constantly drafting #1 b/c you'd be replacing every rookie after their rookie season for not performing at a Pro Bowl level, but then again, if you were doing the drafting that would probably be appropriate. :lol:

"jdang307 wrote:

49ers - Playoffs
Packers - Playoffs.Rodgers
Steelers - Playoffs/Ben R
Ravens - Playoffs/Flacco, drafted Wr's highly
Bears - Playoffs/Culter
Falcons - Playoffs/Ryan
Broncos - Playoffs/Really? Tebow?
Seahawks - Playoffs/nope, missed them last yr, they also drafted skill players highly and signed Rice
Colts - Playoffs (maybe)/Uhm what? They were using Satele
Patriots - Playoffs/Brady
Dolphins - Losing seasons.

Not surprisingly most of those teams are at the top of their division.

oddly, you skipped the Browns and skipped the reality that most of those teams had the skill players in place.

"GridIronKing34 wrote:

Hardly. It had to do with the fact that we limited our turnovers and played solid defense. Limiting our turnovers was ALL Chad Pennington.

That was part of it too.
But the Wildcat, and the fact nobody knew how to defend for about half the season is a huge part of the success of that season.

1. Wildcat
2. Easy schedule
3. Chad Pennington (and his ability to limit turnovers)
4. Good defensive play

"PSG wrote:

That was part of it too.
But the Wildcat, and the fact nobody knew how to defend for about half the season is a huge part of the success of that season.

1. Wildcat
2. Easy schedule
3. Chad Pennington (and his ability to limit turnovers)
4. Good defensive play

I think you are wildly, wildly overrating how important the Wildcat was. The biggest effect by far was the Patriots game, and it wouldn't have been close without it, either.

Without the Wildcat we never make it to the playoffs in '08.

"phinsational wrote:

Without the Wildcat we never make it to the playoffs in '08.

What games was it the difference in?

"shouright wrote:

I suspect a lot of the "push" is determined by how many guys you're pushing against and how hard they're coming at you, which is in turn determined by how much they have to respect your passing game.

and why don't they respect the passing game ? Because Ireland has basically ignored it this off season.

Don't tell me Nanu Nanu and Ochoidota were supposed to be the answers.

"PSG wrote:

I like Chad and what he did for this team, but that 11-5 record had as much - or more - to do with the Wildcat than anything else.

and the easiest schedule maybe in the last 20 years

"shula_guy wrote:

Its not that we invested in the line thats the complaint it is the lack of results they have gotten from it.

Exactly its the not "hitting home runs" that kills you when you invest that much on one area to the complete ignoring of other problems areas, like wide receiver.

"Disgustipate wrote:

What games was it the difference in?

Patriots game for one.
We rant up a 28-6 halftime lead with 3 TDs from the WC...... and after NE countered to make it 28-13 late in the 3rd, the WC struck back with a 62 yard TD run.

We needed the WC that game to beat a Bradyless Patriots, and without it we're out of the playoffs and the Patriots are in..... and that's not taking into affect the wildcat's impact on other wins.

"phinsational wrote:

Patriots game for one.
We rant up a 28-6 halftime lead with 3 TDs from the WC...... and after NE countered to make it 28-13 late in the 3rd, the WC struck back with a 62 yard TD run.

We needed the WC that game to beat a Bradyless Patriots, and without it we're out of the playoffs and the Patriots are in..... and that's not taking into affect the wildcat's impact on other wins.

Pretty much every use of it besides the 62-yard run came in the red zone.

If you take every one of those scores and turn it into a field goal, and then take away the 62-yard TD, they still win. That's pretending that they wouldn't have scored any touchdowns conventionally on 2nd and goal on the 2, and 1st and goal on the 5.

You're also ignoring the fact that they really made an effort not to run up the score in the 4th, Chad Pennington had 3 incomplete passes the entire game, that the Patriots offense didn't break 200 total yards, the offensive line pretty badly dominated the Patriots front-7 in any formation, etc. and so on.

It would have almost certainly still been a blowout.

"Disgustipate wrote:

Pretty much every use of it besides the 62-yard run came in the red zone.

If you take every one of those scores and turn it into a field goal, and then take away the 62-yard TD, they still win. That's pretending that they wouldn't have scored any touchdowns conventionally on 2nd and goal on the 2, and 1st and goal on the 5.

You're also ignoring the fact that they really made an effort not to run up the score in the 4th, Chad Pennington had 3 incomplete passes the entire game, that the Patriots offense didn't break 200 total yards, the offensive line pretty badly dominated the Patriots front-7 in any formation, etc. and so on.

It would have almost certainly still been a blowout.

.... but you're ignoring the fact of how those points affected NE's offensive game plan in just the 1st quarter. Those WC TD's forced a backup QB into come from behind mode rather than letting NE adhere to their normal game plan. The WC completely altered that game.

If we didn't need the WC to beat the Pats in '08 we wouldn't have run the WC so much.

"phinsational wrote:

.... but you're ignoring the fact of how those points affected NE's offensive game plan in just the 1st quarter. Those WC TD's forced a backup QB into come from behind mode rather than letting NE adhere to their normal game plan. The WC completely altered that game.

They almost certainly would have scored nearly the same amount of points regardless. The wildcat was basically almost exclusively used in the red zone for most of the game.

"oakelmpine wrote:

and why don't they respect the passing game ? Because Ireland has basically ignored it this off season.

Don't tell me Nanu Nanu and Ochoidota were supposed to be the answers.

I'm not sure how well you're expecting the team to do with a rookie QB, but you may want to check.

Barry Jackson: Miami Dolphins’ offensive line still seeking consistency

"shouright wrote:

I'm not sure how well you're expecting the team to do with a rookie QB, but you may want to check.

Could you expand on this thought please?

Well, the below average online play is somewhat expected. Stacking the box hampers the running game and creates blocking indecision( pressure on online) why Lamar Miller hasn't played much is he hasn't excelled in picking up the blitz, WR's that cannot stretch the field, and a new offensive system and different blocking scheme.... and a rookie QB with too much on his shoulders. Yes, it's on Ireland that we have a lack of talent... But there are reasons for the offensive woes. My biggest keys are new offensive system for oline and poor WR talent.

"Laces Out wrote:

Could you expand on this thought please?

This is plenty of "expansion" IMO:

http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?73384-The-Talent-Surrounding-Ryan-Tannehill

"GRT8 wrote:

Well, the below average online play is somewhat expected. Stacking the box hampers the running game and creates blocking indecision( pressure on online) why Lamar Miller hasn't played much is he hasn't excelled in picking up the blitz, WR's that cannot stretch the field, and a new offensive system and different blocking scheme.... and a rookie QB with too much on his shoulders. Yes, it's on Ireland that we have a lack of talent... But there are reasons for the offensive woes. My biggest keys are new offensive system for oline and poor WR talent.

when we start the gameplanning were starting with an inherent disadvantage, lack of space, and inability to make the defense play the entire field..wind up playing against unfair fronts in the run game.

Barry Jackson: Miami Dolphins’ offensive line still seeking consistency

"shouright wrote:

This is plenty of "expansion" IMO:

http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?73384-The-Talent-Surrounding-Ryan-Tannehill

So...it's the talent around Tannehill?

"GRT8 wrote:

Well, the below average online play is somewhat expected. Stacking the box hampers the running game and creates blocking indecision( pressure on online) why Lamar Miller hasn't played much is he hasn't excelled in picking up the blitz, WR's that cannot stretch the field, and a new offensive system and different blocking scheme.... and a rookie QB with too much on his shoulders. Yes, it's on Ireland that we have a lack of talent... But there are reasons for the offensive woes. My biggest keys are new offensive system for oline and poor WR talent.

There was no problem with the offensive line in 2008 when its talent wasn't significantly better, Chad Pennington had a 97 QB rating, and the only deep threat was Ted Ginn, who caught only 5 passes on the season that were thrown at least 21 yards in the air.

Brian Hartline by contrast already has 7 such catches of passes that were thrown at least 21 yards in the air, and we're through only 10 games, yet the team is thought to lack someone who can "stretch the field."

The problem is the limitations imposed upon an offense by a rookie QB IMO, and that's supported by all of the available objective data. Put the 2008 version of Chad Pennington on the field and the result would be entirely different IMO. Stack the box on him and he'll move you methodically down the field with his accuracy and decision-making, two things Ryan Tannehill doesn't have anywhere near as much of at this point in his career.

"Laces Out wrote:

So...it's the talent around Tannehill?

Like I said, when that thread's done, I'll know exactly whom to have on my ignore list. :)

"shouright wrote:

Like I said, when that thread's done, I'll know exactly whom to have on my ignore list. :)

So, whoever doesn't agree with your opinions gets put on ignore?

"PSG wrote:

So, whoever doesn't agree with your opinions gets put on ignore?

That sounds like something only you are saying, not me, but thanks for phrasing it in the form of a question rather than simply stating it outright. :)