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Barry Jackson: Tannehill fiasco not only uncomfortable coach/player issue

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Sep 28, 2014.

  1. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Joe Philbin’s refusal to publicly name Ryan Tannehill his starting quarterback, which upset Tannehill and puzzled numerous players, wasn’t the only uncomfortable issue between the coaching staff and Dolphins players last week.
    According to multiple sources, an emotional defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle let his players know, loud and clear, that he was upset that The Miami Herald reported Monday, quoting sources, that players were furious about aspects of Coyle’s strategy against Kansas City, including havingCameron Wake or Jason Trusnik cover speedy running back Joe McKnight on two passing plays that both resulted in touchdowns.
    Several players thought that approach was ridiculous. But Coyle angrily told his players that he doesn’t want the media to know about any more of their complaints.
    Meanwhile, some Dolphins players thought the coaches worked them too hard this past week and that the team should have departed for London earlier than Thursday evening so that players could get acclimated to the five-hour time difference.
    What’s more, receiver Brian Hartline believed it was “silly” that Philbin characterized Hartline’s excessive celebration penalty against Kansas City as a poor reflection on Philbin. But Philbin was so peeved about the penalty that he brought it up in a team meeting on Tuesday, saying that can never happen again.
    Players appreciate that Philbin told the team that he would have handled the Tannehill fiasco differently if he had to do it over again. But several privately blamed Philbin for making this a “distraction,” as Tannehill phrased it.
    And finally, one Dolphins player complained that coaches have told him two completely conflicting things regarding technique, leaving him unsure what to do.
    Let’s be clear: There are some very good coaches on this staff. But the past seven days weren’t good for Philbin, offensive coordinator Bill Lazor(who didn’t run the ball enough against Kansas City) or Coyle (who advocated the McKnight coverage debacle). And Philbin’s long-term future will look even more precarious if Miami loses Sunday.

    Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...-fins-heat-marlins-chatter.html#storylink=cpy
     
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  2. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Lol...why does this **** always have to happen to our Phins.
     
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  3. Alex13

    Alex13 Welcome to the NEW Miami Club Member

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    i agree leaving on thursday for london was a stupid thing to do, its different if you are on vacation or getting ready to play a football game, thats why i also have reservations about a football team in london, that travel time is a disaster
     
  4. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Does that make anyone feel good going into tommorows game?

    If Coyle was pissed their complaining got out..you think hes gonna be even more pissed that it got out that he yelled at the players to keep it in house?

    Man..someone wants Philbin gone badly if that stuff keeps getting leaked. Who else would have know Croyles reaction but a player..or coach..and leaked it?
     
  5. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    What bothered me was when..Philbin said..we will feed them a big meal on the plane on hopefully they will sleep all night..its a plane flight..you cant hopw they will sleep.
    They said on Friday they got no sleep

    I got a baddd feeling bout tom
     
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  6. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    It also sounds like Lazors system is one people are gonna have to be patient with...
     
  7. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    Hey media....... **** you. I don't care.
     
  8. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Someone mentioned earlier that when the Pats played in Limey Town last time that they left late in week, as Miami did, and the Pats won handily.
     
  9. JDelenne

    JDelenne Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't really feel the "Jet Lag" will have an effect. It's only a 5 hour difference from here and there so playing a 1pm Game its only 6pm there which they could play later than that on any given week with TNF/SNF/MNF. I dont feel 5 hours could throw off a sleeping/eating/practice schedule that much. Though i've never experienced it first hand.
     
  10. LBsFinest

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    SMFH...lovely. Looks like this team is ready to implode.
     
  11. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    The situation between Coyle and his players is reaching critical, IMO.

    It's to the point where even if Joe Philbin does survive, I think Coyle may end up replaced. Even if the D ultimately plays and ranks well.
     
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  12. scotty_irnbru

    scotty_irnbru Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It happens to every team. Stop being so dramatic.
     
  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Wonder if they will remember the credo they sported all preseason, or was that all of bunch of bs.

    We'll see 2maro if they hate their coach enough to look like cowards.
     
  14. Pauly

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    I am starting get the bad part of Nick Saban vibes about this team now. Treating the players like they are icons in a Madden game does not work with NFL veterans.

    We have had Philbin clear out players who talked back to him. Jim Turner fining players who spoke up in OL meetings even if the player was right. Coyle not understanding the Striesand effect. It is all adding up to en environment where players are expected to sit down, shut up and be good little robots.

    Accountability is like respect, it has to go both ways to work. For the players to be that angry after last weeks loss they must have told him before the game that his game plan would not work. Blowing up at the players is a way of Coyle avoiding his accountability to his players. A much better message would have been to say that he knew he had scewed up and that he would listen to the playes more next time.

    As for the Hartline thing, Hartline said on the Sunday he knew he had done the wrong thing and was not going to do that again. There were much bigger foul ups last Sunday, so to harp on about Hatline seems both petty and missing the point. If I was a player in that locker room my confidence levels in my coaches would be significantly lower today than it was last week.
     
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  15. cdz12250

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    Whom was Coyle supposed to use to cover McKnight? The whole idea of sending a back out of the backfield, especially on a delay, is that the cover guys are otherwise engaged with the wideouts, so it leaves a quick back isolated in space against slow linebackers who play mostly run support and can't cover him. Where was the strong safety?

    There is a real morale problem on this team. Only part of it is due to questionable coaching. A significant part of it is players who can't get the job done trying to shift the blame, and the media loves it.
     
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  16. CrunchTime

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    The Jet lag problem is being overblown IMO.The effects flying to London are less than the Jet lag coming back .

    There is more danger from english food but that could affect both teams particularly for the team that stays longer.:pointlol:
     
  17. PhinishLine

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    Another job of the HC (Peace and discipline) that Philbin doesnt do while hes not drafting game plans or not calling plays. I need Dan to put Philbin in a triangle choke.

    Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk
     
  18. Fin-Omenal

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    Just win the game and all this bs goes away
     
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  19. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Moderator Staff Member Club Member

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    At this point, I hope so. I stumbled across an old PowerPoint from the Ravens when Rex Ryan was the D-Coordinator there. I want Miami to play that scheme so badly. So many fronts Miami already *tries* to use are included, so many pressures/blitzes, DJ would get his wish that Dion Jordan would be at OLB, and Miami's already been collecting 3-4 pieces for whatever reason: Deandre Coleman, Bruce Gaston, and the bevy of edge players they already have.

    The defense runs so many shaded fronts I don't think it'd matter that Earl Mitchell is smaller than guys Ryan has had in the past at NT - Siragusa, Ngata, Pouha, Harrison/Ellis, etc. that the scheme basically allows you to play Earl Mitchell as he's already being played in Miami; and he's been tremendous.

    Really I think the only investment you might have to make is at ILB. I think you'd have to cast off Ellerbe and Wheeler for sure, and I think you'd still need a Brandon Spikes type to go along with Misi/Tripp/Jenkins inside. But I don't think that piece is overly tough to find.
     
  20. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    And the Jets keep loosing making one Rex Ryan possibly available...

    Of lordy can you imagine our defense with sexy Rexy as DC?
     
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  21. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Well..actually..if I was being dramatic..I would have done this:

    Ohhh LAawwddd why have you foresaken this team

    that I hold so very close to my heart. I repent..I cast out all the sin in my Liiiiiffeeeee...if you should see it within your DeeeVinneeee heart to chase these wicked ways from our blessed Miami Dolphins..


    See..I inserted a lol at the front which denotes laughing out loud...laughing usually is not very dramatic.

    Feel better..cuz I really do. Mmmkkkk? Thanks.
     
  22. Limbo

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    Again: thank god we play the Raiders this week. A win should quiet all this crap, even if it is over the worst team in the League.
     
  23. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Moderator Staff Member Club Member

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    I'd doubt it, especially with a bye upcoming. And if Miami loses, going into a bye?

    Also, just found out that Mike Tannenbaum, currently a consultant for Miami, is the agent for Seattle DC Dan Quinn. Interesting.
     
  24. Vertical Limit

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    You're that confident that this team will beat the Raiders? :lol: I wouldn't be shocked if we come out flat/uninspired and lose by 6 Janikowski field goals.
     
  25. finwin

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    Missing Starks and McCain could be a problem. We know the Offense has trouble getting into the endzone so the combination of injuries, and weak offense could be another typical Dolphin let down. The team just doesn't like Philbin and I think there could be no bigger reflection of that fact than the goose eggs they laid when the playoffs were on the line last year.
     
  26. Dolphans Unite!

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    On the other hand, it also poses the risk that a loss would equal a good deal more of an implosion than it would if we lost to a good team.

    In my opinion this is really the sort of game where leaders among the players, primarily the QB, need to step up and play well and get this undercurrent going the other direction. If no one steps up in that way, and the team gets beaten by a team as bad as the Raiders, it could signal the beginning of the end. That sort of statement of "apathy" among the players wouldn't be easy to surmount going forward.
     
  27. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I agree..Tannehill needs to take this ***** by the balls and squeeze.
     
  28. Dolphans Unite!

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    Right, and hopefully Tannehill isn't feeling like his balls have been "squeezed" so much already that he plays tight and looks like garbage.
     
  29. btfu149

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    I would happily take Rex as our HC let alone DC
     
  30. RickyBobby

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    Considering they are playing better than the offense, I think this is a silly assumption.
     
  31. RickyBobby

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    Ahh yes, they didn't play well to show the coach they didn't like him...riiiiiiiiight
     
  32. Dolphans Unite!

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    Those losses were driven by Tannehill's play first and foremost, and there was little the rest of the team could do to surmount how poorly he played in those games. So I'm not sure how that can be characterized as some sort of "team mutiny" against Philbin.
     
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  33. Alex44

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    I agree that it wasn't some team mutiny. Every player wants to make the playoffs. Every player wants to win a Superbowl. No-one is going to give up on a season when they sit at 8-6 because they don't like a coach who has put them in position to make the playoffs.

    I don't agree the losses were all about Tannehill.
     
  34. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Are they though? Week one was a wash. Week two they did. Week three both were terrible when it counted. It's really close.
     
  35. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Why are they holding on to Hartline? That guy should've been cut with Ireland. He's terrible player, now we know he is knucklehead too, and now he is loud as well.

    Also,
    By the good graces of the HC, RT and BH are starting and they are now arrogant as well. Cut their arse today, in London!
     
  36. djphinfan

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    Did you see Julius peppers last week covering Chris Johnson on a wheel route like a blanket, goes up and almost with the pick, then rushes from a standup position on another, whatever that is I want..

    All this stuff is going on, but there has been nothing worse then the handling of the #3rd overall pick..
     
  37. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I think thats been alot of his problem..he is playing like his nuts are in a vice.
     
  38. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Lol..Dez..PUT DOWN THE BOTTLE
     
  39. ckparrothead

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    I'm telling you right now, Jim Harbaugh and Rex Ryan together in Miami is not an impossibility. The moment a Jim Harbaugh signs with Miami, there will be high profile people that want to be part of the team. Rex will want to get back to being a head coach as soon as possible and he knows Miami has talent on the defensive front (which is a MUST for Ryan), and he knows that a Jim Harbaugh team will bring it every week. He coached under Jim's brother John Harbaugh and he loves John.

    How much respect does Rex Ryan have for Jim Harbaugh's 49ers?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...-jets-defense-to-perform-more-like-49ers-unit

    And it doesn't even have to be Rex Ryan. That's just an example. You pull in a guy that has REAL respect around the league, not fake respect like some offensive coordinator who didn't call plays and basically just made sure powerpoint presentations were free of spelling and grammatical errors, and suddenly other REAL coaches and players want to be a part of that.
     
  40. ckparrothead

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    Dolphins consultant Mike Tannenbaum, then General Manager of the New York Jets, was the one who hired Rex Ryan in New York. Dawn Aponte may have been there, I don't know for sure.

    You know who else Mike Tannenbaum interviewed for the Head Coach job that year?

    Jim Harbaugh. Secret three-hour meeting while Harbaugh was on a recruiting trip. They liked Harbaugh, but he only had two years as coach of Stanford and three years as coach of San Diego U on his resume. Just wasn't enough.
     

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