Beckup quarterback? Don’t think so …

There is something to be said for the Hair Cut comparison. Chad looks mad, Josh looks questioning, and John looks happy. Guys I have to tell you; I'll take "Happy" every time. :yes::wink2::up:

While I agree that Beck will probably be our starter this season, unless he is just awful in camp and the preseason it must be said that this article was completely ridiculous. :lol: I've hoped all along that our starter would be Beck or Henne. Nothing against McCown, i just want one of our young drafted QB's to get their shot and work out well for this team.

Wow, wasn't that article insightful. Though I do think if McCown ends up being the starter, Id look to see Henne as soon as we're mathimatically eliminated from the playoffs.

What a ridiculous article. Exhibit A was a joke...

I fully expect Mccowen tio win the J-O-B outright and Henne to leap frog Beck before Thanksgiving, maybe sooner.

Its amazing to me how many people trash Mccown because of the teams he played on. The QB is only one player, the win loss record is based on the ENTIRE team and organization.

He has won more games obviously, and he's thrown many times as many TD's in the pros. The games I've seen him play he didn't embarass himself, Beck embarassed himself when he took the field. I think Beck would be a great PR guy though, but professional football players are judged by what they do between the hash marks on Sundays, not by what they say in interviews or by how well they speak...

I think they are under-estimating the experience factor. IMO McCown is still the most likely guy to start the season. Beck is the most talented of the three but he has very little experience facing NFL speed. The one thing he seems to have struggled with thus far in mini-camp/OTAs is his pocket feel. That's usually the result of either adjusting to the speed or not knowing the offense. With how hard he's reportedly worked I think adjusting to the speed is the more likely cause. I think it's unlikely that Henne is a factor this season unless the other two QBs are injured or just fall apart.

i think McCown wins the battle

"THCMAN wrote:

What a ridiculous article. Exhibit A was a joke...

I fully expect Mccowen tio win the J-O-B outright and Henne to leap frog Beck before Thanksgiving, maybe sooner.

Its amazing to me how many people trash Mccown because of the teams he played on. The QB is only one player, the win loss record is based on the ENTIRE team and organization.

He has won more games obviously, and he's thrown many times as many TD's in the pros. The games I've seen him play he didn't embarass himself, Beck embarassed himself when he took the field. I think Beck would be a great PR guy though, but professional football players are judged by what they do between the hash marks on Sundays, not by what they say in interviews or by how well they speak...

You make that statement, yet go on to bag on Beck, even though he played on a horrible team. Sure, he fumbled, but, let's not forget, he had defenses crashing through his offensive line like it was made out of tissue paper. If you're gonna give McCown a pass, due to his teams, then you have to give Beck the same thing.

"THCMAN wrote:

What a ridiculous article. Exhibit A was a joke...

I fully expect Mccowen tio win the J-O-B outright and Henne to leap frog Beck before Thanksgiving, maybe sooner.

Its amazing to me how many people trash Mccown because of the teams he played on. The QB is only one player, the win loss record is based on the ENTIRE team and organization.

He has won more games obviously, and he's thrown many times as many TD's in the pros. The games I've seen him play he didn't embarass himself, Beck embarassed himself when he took the field. I think Beck would be a great PR guy though, but professional football players are judged by what they do between the hash marks on Sundays, not by what they say in interviews or by how well they speak...

Good old irony.

"resnor wrote:

You make that statement, yet go on to bag on Beck, even though he played on a horrible team. Sure, he fumbled, but, let's not forget, he had defenses crashing through his offensive line like it was made out of tissue paper. If you're gonna give McCown a pass, due to his teams, then you have to give Beck the same thing.

Seems to me you're overlooking the most important thing.

McCown has actually won real games in the NFL & he's done it on horrible teams with different coaches & different systems. He found a way to win.

Beck hasn't won any NFL games yet has he?

May the best man win. It's a competition remember?

Regardless of who wins the job this year, and I seriously doubt that Beck will win it, Henne is the future anyway. Why would you just hand the job to a guy who is probably the least impressive QB on the team?

He gives great interviews though doesn't he? :shifty::pointlol:

Neither did former annual probowler trent green with two more weapons, Brown and Chambers.

"THCMAN wrote:

Seems to me you're overlooking the most important thing.

McCown has actually won real games in the NFL & he's done it on horrible teams with different coaches & different systems. He found a way to win.

Beck hasn't won any NFL games yet has he?

May the best man win. It's a competition remember?

Regardless of who wins the job this year, and I seriously doubt that Beck will win it, Henne is the future anyway. Why would you just hand the job to a guy who is probably the least impressive QB on the team?

He gives great interviews though doesn't he? :shifty::pointlol:

you will eat those words.. and I shall feed them to you...

"THCMAN wrote:

Seems to me you're overlooking the most important thing.

McCown has actually won real games in the NFL & he's done it on horrible teams with different coaches & different systems. He found a way to win.

Beck hasn't won any NFL games yet has he?

May the best man win. It's a competition remember?

Regardless of who wins the job this year, and I seriously doubt that Beck will win it, Henne is the future anyway. Why would you just hand the job to a guy who is probably the least impressive QB on the team?

He gives great interviews though doesn't he? :shifty::pointlol:

your kidding right? LOL least impressive? Perception is a bitch sometimes.

"THCMAN wrote:

Seems to me you're overlooking the most important thing.

McCown has actually won real games in the NFL & he's done it on horrible teams with different coaches & different systems. He found a way to win.

Beck hasn't won any NFL games yet has he?

May the best man win. It's a competition remember?

Regardless of who wins the job this year, and I seriously doubt that Beck will win it, Henne is the future anyway. Why would you just hand the job to a guy who is probably the least impressive QB on the team?

He gives great interviews though doesn't he? :shifty::pointlol:

Would you care to back any of this up with something that has some substance? I think we can all see you don't care much for Beck, but I would be interested in reading how you have come to view him in such light. And please remember to keep it in the context of how the rest of the team preformed around him last year.

"Ducken wrote:

Would you care to back any of this up with something that has some substance? I think we can all see you don't care much for Beck, but I would be interested in reading how you have come to view him in such light. And please remember to keep it in the context of how the rest of the team preformed around him last year.

I see a lot of die hard Beck supporters around here. I can't help but wonder why be so exclusively supportive of one player.

I don't have anything against Beck. Let's put it another way, I liked him much more than Lemon, but I liked Trent green more then either of those guys.

As for making me eat my words? :tongue2:

That sounds an aweful lot like trash-talking doesn't it?

I've seen McCown play in games for two different teams over the years. He didn't win all the games I've seen him play in, but he always looked better than Beck did last year. I know that's not saying much, but my opinions are based on real NFL games that I've watched with my own two eyes. I'm curious how anyone can be so sure that Beck is going to win this QB competition. What exactly are you basing that on?

What Mueller and Cameron said last year?

I saw 3 different rookie QB's play in games last year. They all looked better than Beck did. These are games I watched with my own two eyes. He 'may' get better, but I honestly don't remember ever seeing a QB get that much better in just one year. Try not to be so emotional about it... :shifty:

"THCMAN wrote:

I see a lot of die hard Beck supporters around here. I can't help but wonder why be so exclusively supportive of one player.

I don't have anything against Beck. Let's put it another way, I liked him much more than Lemon, but I liked Trent green more then either of those guys.

As for making me eat my words? :tongue2:

That sounds an aweful lot like trash-talking doesn't it?

I've seen McCown play in games for two different teams over the years. He didn't win all the games I've seen him play in, but he always looked better than Beck did last year. I know that's not saying much, but my opinions are based on real NFL games that I've watched with my own two eyes. I'm curious how anyone can be so sure that Beck is going to win this QB competition. What exactly are you basing that on?

What Mueller and Cameron said last year?

I saw 3 different rookie QB's play in games last year. They all looked better than Beck did. These are games I watched with my own two eyes. He 'may' get better, but I honestly don't remember ever seeing a QB get that much better in just one year. Try not to be so emotional about it... :shifty:

You lost me on that one, I am not trying to make you eat your words or change how you perceive someone I am just curious as to why you posted what you did.

As for why I believe beck will succeed in the NFL if given the proper chance. It has nothing to do with what Cam or anyone else said about him last year. IMO you could see last year the poises in this young man the few chance the OL gave him to stand in the pocket and do his job. You could tell he has a nice strong arm with accuracy. Who knows how he would have done if the OL remembered how to pass pro for him, and we had not traded our best WR and Brown had not gotten injured. This kids study, work habits, and off the field presence are all signs that if his physical skill are there we will have a very good QB on our hands.

His fumbling problem last year is a concern, but with such a small sample size it really is hard to tell if it was just a combination of little to no snaps with the 1st or 2nd team in his 1st few games, poor blocking etc... or just a problem plain and simple. I tried to look up and see how many fumbles he had in college to get a better idea and larger sample size but I was unable to find that stat.

And yes I am a Beck fan but I could not care less who our QB is as long as we are winning. Hell it could be Donald Duck for all I care, but the bottom line is I want the best of the 3 on the field and if the best is not on the field because it is not a BP pick then I will be pissed.

"THCMAN wrote:

I see a lot of die hard Beck supporters around here. I can't help but wonder why be so exclusively supportive of one player.

I don't have anything against Beck. Let's put it another way, I liked him much more than Lemon, but I liked Trent green more then either of those guys.

As for making me eat my words? :tongue2:

That sounds an aweful lot like trash-talking doesn't it?

I've seen McCown play in games for two different teams over the years. He didn't win all the games I've seen him play in, but he always looked better than Beck did last year. I know that's not saying much, but my opinions are based on real NFL games that I've watched with my own two eyes. I'm curious how anyone can be so sure that Beck is going to win this QB competition. What exactly are you basing that on?

What Mueller and Cameron said last year?

I saw 3 different rookie QB's play in games last year. They all looked better than Beck did. These are games I watched with my own two eyes. He 'may' get better, but I honestly don't remember ever seeing a QB get that much better in just one year. Try not to be so emotional about it... :shifty:

The least talented is teh comment that is in question.

WHat has McCown shown over his 7 years that reflects that he is more talented? He had better WR in Ariz at any point in his stay than Beck had in his BRIEF playing time yet failed, he lost a comp to journeyman Kitna in Det and battled and lost out in Oak and was cut vs keeping him over tuiososopo who was resigned. Yeah backup and Russel I get it, but still NOONE has looked at McCown and said FUTURE!

Henne? Great physical specimen and skills, but sorry show me whereoutside the Fla bowl game he showed up big? He was widely inconsistent and never lived up to the hype at Mich and had to very talented receivers in Arrington and Manningham as well as an all american back in Hart yet as a leader didnt lead them anywhere, so how are you so sure he is the future? I would love it if he becomes great, but where is teh evidence that you can bank on it?

Beck? Well ask any of his teammates at BYU they will all tell you he was teh leader and they would follow him anywhere. He did numerous times step up at BYU. He showed a ton of poise in an extremely diff situ last year where most rooks would have folded. When he was pulled in teh Buf game, instead of looking dejected and sad, he was mad and wanted to play. That comp desire. He could have folded in Cinci after teh bad play but fought thru and played well after that. Is there ? marks? Yes, but to point to 2007 as evidence that Beck doesnt have it, is wrong IMO. If he doesnt earn it fine, but he definitely should be afforded every opportunity, Beck is actually the one with the better overall history.

"THCMAN wrote:

I see a lot of die hard Beck supporters around here. I can't help but wonder why be so exclusively supportive of one player.

I support Beck, and yet I have wondered the same thing. The devotion to him is, on some level, quite shocking . . . particularly when I think back to the 2007 draft where boards seemed evenly divided between Edwards, Cobb, etc . . .

The only thing I can come up with as far as an explanation is this: John Beck is the first serious investment in the QB position that this franchise has made since Dan. On a psychological level, I think that might contribute to some of the idolatry.

Beck is my first choice because he has the most time with this franchise and because of his accuracy. Aside from that, I really have no devotion to him. I'm sure lots of Browns fans thought Charlie Frye should have got more of a chance, and I'm sure other Browns fans felt that Quinn should have started the season.

I hate Josh McCown he has not done good any where when he starts so why do we think he is going to good here starting. Maybe what we should do is let our other guys start like John Beck and Chad Henne and then if they do really really bad then we let Josh McCown have the starting job

Henne looks more like a mean, tough linebacker in that picture. Yet this is probably more accurate: Chad Henne falling. Clearly, his haircut is little more than a cover up for this tender, clumsy quarterback

Chad Henne has his hair cut like mine is right now... That's right, my hair use to be pretty long so I don't get any hippy or girly jokes from Stitches and enforcer!

Does that mean I look like a mean, tough linebacker?

"THCMAN wrote:

Seems to me you're overlooking the most important thing.

McCown has actually won real games in the NFL & he's done it on horrible teams with different coaches & different systems. He found a way to win.

Beck hasn't won any NFL games yet has he?

Really? I thought the win loss record was based on the ENTIRE team :rolleyes:

I just don't understand why any Dolphin fan would want to see Mcown start. He is not the future of the Dolphins and it would be better to see what the other two guys have than to hand the team over to some perennial back up QB.

BZ

Josh McCown is there for an insurance, nothing more. The Dolphins have to use one or both of their second round pick investments. They have to see what they have going foward with either Henne or Beck. I think Beck is going to turn out to be the better Quarterback, but Henne will get all the hype and attention from the fans just because he started four years at Michigan.

I don't see any benefit in starting McCown, this team is not playoff caliber and probably won't be for the next 2 years. We are a rebuilding team and we have plenty of time to be patient with our young players and see what they have to offer, no need to rush into a "win now" mode.

"like2god wrote:

I don't see any benefit in starting McCown, this team is not playoff caliber and probably won't be for the next 2 years. We are a rebuilding team and we have plenty of time to be patient with our young players and see what they have to offer, no need to rush into a "win now" mode.

The problem with that thinking is you don't know they are not a playoff caliber team. Sure the likelihood is they will not make the playoffs, but it's a horrible negative attitude to say there is no chance. There have been more shocking things to happen in the NFL.

So for that reason IF Josh McCown ends up being the best QB on the roster, he has to be given the starting job. At least until the team is mathematically eleminated from the playoffs.