I think Parker's problems are mostly mental. Both have great upside and if both can get healthy, physically and mentally, I think we'll have one of the top three WR corps in the NFL.

 

Not sure i expect much from Carroo. We'll see. But Parker has elite skills, and he seems to be right physically now. I think hes going to do great things this season, and be our most impressive receiving threat.

 

They seem to be really high on him (Carroo). I hope they're right. He's definitely has the physical ability to become a really good WR.

 

Parker. If his foot holds up.
He's potentially a Plaxico Burress type of receiver.

 

From what I've read and heard from others, the Dolphins are in love with Carroo's skillsets and see him as a slightly faster, slightly more athletic Jarvis Landry. He didn't play a lot last year though because he's been slow to master the playbook. They loved everything else they saw though- work ethic, determination, etc.

The team also likes Parker a lot because of his wing span and natural talent, but they were also frustrated because he wasn't eating right, staying in shape and taking care of himself. He definitely has the higher ceiling when it comes to making big plays, but he's also getting close to that "injury prone" tag that ends careers or makes players start bouncing from team to team.

In the end, both of these players have been holding themselves back. There's massive potential there though and this is sort of like a Dion Jordan conversation all over again- how bad do they want it? Learn the damn playbook. Eat less Hot Pockets. It's pretty basic stuff for professional athletes.

Me personally- I would trade Parker for a high draft pick while he still has some stock left. I know he could be awesome, but so could that kid sitting in front of the TV watching the draft and waiting for his name to be called. Then I'd give Carroo another year to see what happens.

 

I dont think there is a market for Parker. I mean, if you draft him in the first and you want to get rid of him 2 years later that's a huge red flag in itself


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Not necessarily, that's around the same time we picked up Stills. And our WR corps are pretty darn stacked to begin with, so it's not uncommon to get some value out of a young player before their prime (or perceived prime) if they're not starting.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm fine with keeping him and watching the guy develop. He's a stud...I'm just not getting a good vibe from what I'm hearing about him.

 

It has to be Parker for the offense to truly take the next step.

 

Bigger step forward ? Has to be Carroo. He was inactive much of 2016.
Finished the season behind Rashuan Scott on the depth chart.

Although IF Parker starts the year healthy, that would be a first......
& would most likely put him on track for a break through year.

IF not, Carroo potentially assumes all of those snaps.

 

Isn't the conventional wisdom that it takes most WRs three years to understand how to play the position at the NFL level? So, Parker should have the kind of year that shows why he was drafted so high in 2017. Injuries have held him back, but this has to be the year he shows why he was drafted so high. If not, you make plans to move on from him (and hope Carroo is ready to start in 2018).

 

Working on the basis that we don't add anymore receivers, or at least no one to legitimately contend for the fourth spot on the depth chart, then Carroo should start the season fourth on the depth chart which should see him get greater opportunities than last year.

The problem for him could be if we add one of the big name TE prospects, at that point they could have a significant effect on Carroo's playing time, and so would two tight end sets including Julius Thomas or any other tight end. We might not even draft a tight end because with Julius Thomas and the other tight ends on the roster we might use our picks elsewhere. Likewise if we draft a back like Dalvin Cook (I don't think we should) who projects to be one of the best all round backs in the draft (he can be the weapon on passing downs that Jay might not be), or utilise one of our existing backs more in the passing game, then that could hurt Carroo's playing time.

So as it stands Carroo should get more playing time than last season, but he could still end up having a part time role if our top trio of receivers stay healthy, Gase utilises the tight ends more, and also gets the backs more involved in the passing game. That said, if Parker struggles to stay healthy or doesn't work hard enough, and Carroo can stay healthy and work hard he could earn that third spot on the depth chart.

Overall I expect Parker to make a greater impact and take a larger stride this season than Carroo purely because Parker should have significantly more usage than Carroo. If that isn't the case then Carroo could take a larger stride in his development, but personally I suspect he'll remain a part time player unless Gase plans to use lots of four receiver sets and limit his usage of the tight ends and backs in the passing game.

 

I follow your logic on this topic, and it's sound, I wouldn't go that route but couldn't argue that it's a bad idea, but the price for me would be a 1st or two 2nds, because I think Parker's ceiling is very high.

Parker has that very rare ability to get into WR "fluidic space", which is that area just above where everyone else can get, the term "catch radius" I think gets a bit overused, but does deserve mention with guys like Parker, because he can get to that other level.

For instance, how many CB's are there in the league that can out high point the ball vs Parker?

He has all the tools, height, length, good quickness, good speed, elite body control, great hands and the kicker, very good leaping ability, we've seen it, that sick TD vs the Ravens, every bit of those tools on display, he just went above the coverage, or that play vs the Pats, on a deep pass that was thrown a little short, he just went over the coverage and tipped the ball to himself.

His elite catch radius was on display in every way at different times last season, he was a dominant WR in the last 2 drives vs the Rams using his amazing catch radius, making a handful of stabs on diving catches, including the game winner.

That one hander vs the Bills?, the full on lay out vs the 49ers, if he gets it together he has the potential to be a big time play maker, so I would want a 1st or two 2nds in return or just roll with Parker, jmo.

 

I would keep Parker and let it play out. If you keep him and he becomes the stud it is a win. If you trade him away and he becomes a stud that is bad.

 

I agree...his trade value should be very high TODAY. But if he shows up to camp out of shape and ends up having 6-8 pretty good games next year (with just as many games on the bench), then that value drops considerably in year 3. If we were going to part ways, now would be the time...that's all I was really saying.

He does have all the tools though to be the next Megatron. No denying that and I hope he develops.

 

I think the answer is Parker and it is a no brainer. At this point and time, Carroo really has not shown much at all. The most receptions that he has had in a game is 2 and the most yards he has had in a game is 15. The conspiracist in me says he was brought in to replace Stills or Landry, but based on the amount of production/playing time he has had, I think it is doubtful.

Parker is a guy on this board that gets more hatred than I think he deserves. He has eclipsed 100 yards twice last season, and I will be the first one to concede that this number should be higher. What's worse is that there were 5 games in which he was held to 20 yards or fewer. Part of his problems have been injury related, and by everything that I have read, it seems like he is not exactly the best at taking care of his body. Gase seems to be on him about this issue, and I do think that this could be a relatively easy way for him to get better - if he buys in. I think that the combination of staying healthy and just general player development, it would not be unreasonable to think that he can go from 56 catches and 744 yards to 70~ catches and 926~ yards.

I think Carroo may struggle to see the field/get meaningful production barring an injury.

This is how I see the ball being dished around next year:

Landry - Will lead the team in receptions. 90 catches 1,100 yards 4 TDS
Stills - His speed/salary will put him on the field a lot. I am guessing his production stays around the same 40-50 catches 650-750 yards. 7 TDS.
Parker - His unique frame will keep him on the field. I would like to see him get more red zone targets. 70 catches 926 yards. 3 TDS.
Thomas - I think that Gase really, really wants a TE that he can feed the rock to. I think that he winds up being used as a 3rd/4th WR and steals time from Carroo. 50 catches 670 yards 6 TDS.
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Carroo - Barely sees the field and when he is on the field, he is at the bottom of the route progression tree. 12 catches 93 yards 0 TDS.

 

Yeah, I know you've received your share of flak for this idea, I was just saying that I do get it, and get that this is the year of most potential trade value if he doesn't pan out, and that next year, depending on what happens this could look like quite the savvy idea.

 

We're already going to be having 2-TE sets with Fasano and Julius Thomas. It should create a lot of deception and uncertainty for the defense.
Send Stills and Parker deep, send Julius Thomas deep down the seam, clear everyone out and then let Kenyan Drake go with miles of green in front of him.

 

If this was 2011, I'd totally agree with you. Fasano is not the same guy we had on our team of yesteryear. Since leaving Miami, the most receptions that he has had in a season was 26 and he hasn't eclipsed 300 yards in a season once. He is currently coming off a 8 catch season where he had 83 yards receiving. In all likelihood, he is a specialist at this point in his career and will make cameos in run situations.