Bill Cowher only interested in joining a team with a really good QB situation?

oh ok, so let's never ever draft talent because they might bust!!!!!!!! it's never worth the risk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously.

 

Dungy's heart hasnt been in it since his son died.
He wont come back.

 

Thanks Tony.

 

what?

 

You stated "he won't come back". Meaning, its a fact, so I figured....for you to know such information, you'd have to be Tony, or God, or his wife.

 

What's enticing about Gruden is that the fire still burns. You know he wants it. And he's likely going to be bringing a spread offense with him.

The downside is that he alienated a lot of people in Tampa. Players talk, and the Bucs developed a bad reputation around the league as a result. Not a lot of players wanted to go there in the final years. He lost a lot of respect with the way he handled Chris Simms. That one got ugly and the NFL actually got involved.

Former quarterbacks also refute this notion of him being a QB guru. Maybe he is, but he's never developed a young QB. From Rich Gannon to Brad Johnson to Brian Griese to Jeff Garcia to Jake Plummer (whom they traded for -- after Plummer had retired -- and then took him to court to try and shake signing bonus money out of him Ricky Williams style, despite Plummer having never played or been paid by the Bucs). Guys like Shaun King say the Camp Gruden stuff is completely opposite of how he was in the meeting room. That Gruden "doesn't know anything about quarterbacks.".

Gruden alienated some coaches as well and also kept a policy of not allowing assistants to interview for promotions that weren't head coaching jobs.

As to his offense, he was just what they needed after Dungy. But it didn't always stay that way. I remember in 2009, you had guys like Jeff Garcia actually criticizing Gruden and his offense publicly during a playoff push. That they weren't aggressive, didn't push the ball downfield. You also had guys accusing him of playing favorites, choosing to feature certain guys at the expense of the team.

People can change. And there are indications that Gruden will do just that his second time around. But he left the Bucs with a lot of baggage. I know Phil Simms will be skipping the head coach production meetings if we ever get a #1 game on CBS again.

 

Gruden had some issues late in his Bucs tenure, but people too often overlook the nearly masterful job he did in Oakland.

HE didn't develop any young QB's on his own teams but he was part of the development team of Favre (a little before his time), Brunnell and Hasselbeck. He also did a good job as Philly's OC.

 

LMAO..... touche!
All debating aside, that was just funny.

 

I have this vision of the South Park episode about little league baseball with both teams intentionally trying to lose.

Probably one of the funniest Randy Marsh storylines ever.

 

Gruden is on Monday night football and to listen to him, he believes in every QB in the NFL right now. That is his job right now, to talk positive about the players on the field. I have no doubt that if Gruden signs with the Dolphins, his first decision will be to let Henne go in free agency and to go after a QB he really believes in.

 

All Cowher has to do is sign a contract with the team who has the first pick in the 2012 draft. They may have been the team with the worst record this season but with Luck as the QB, it will only be a couple of years before a team with Luck at QB will be contending regularly for a playoff spot every season. Luck will be the next great QB to enter the NFL and he will do for the team which drafts him, the same thing Manning did for the Colts.

 

Again, with Cowher, it all depends upon what you want. If you want another defense first, run the ball, play things close to vest, win the kicking game, and win close games type philosophy, then Cowher is your man.

However, if you want something that is more modern, up tempo, wide open, and aggressive, then Bill Cowher isn't the guy you want. I just don't see Cowher changing with the times. He's going to continue his philosophy, much like everything we've seen in Miami from Jimmy to Tony, and he hasn't shown that he is willing to adapt with the game.

So, if you are happy with playing for field goals late in the game and putting the onus on your defense, then Cowher is your man.

Personally, I want to see something that fits Miami. I want to see Miami be aggressive, up tempo, wide open, and I want to see them utilize the weather to their advantage. Who wants to play in 100+ degree weather in Miami against a team that is going to push the tempo and and run circles around you.

 

Muck and KB, great points!
I'm not a fan of Gruden to begin with, I really don't want to carry 4 QB's on the 53. KB talks about Cowher and I agree 100%. Cowher tried to change with the K. Stewart experiment, but later he came out and said it was wrong and the way to win in this league is to run first.
I like Cowher, but after a few years of living the good life, I don't see him putting the full amount of time into again. Not sold on whether he has the fire to go thru it again.

 

Eh, retread fmr SB winning coach coming to Miami?

Where have we heard this one before?

How did it work out?

I'm possibly one of the few Sparanofans left, but if he is moved out, Cowher is just more of the same that has been tried time after time in Miami.

When Shula left the Colts for the Dolphins, he was still quite a young man if folks recall.

 

I still like TS, I don't believe you go from co-coach of the year to sucking in a few short years. It just doesn't happen. If we do make a change, I don't want a college guy either, its got to be someone who's been in the league and understands the NFL game, not the NCAA game......see Nick Saban on that one.

 

I heard he only wants to go to a team that has Peyton Manning as the QB with Drew Brees backing him up. I heard it from a guy I know who shines the shoes of a guy who works the concession stand at the Carolina Panthers stadium.

 

I don't think Bill Cowher's heart would actually be in to coaching as it once was. One fact that you have to look at is his wife died last year. When you've been married as long as he has (and I've been married coming up on 24 years) and you lose your life partner, I'm sure the fire doesn't burn as bright nor as hot as it once did.

Just a fact to consider before everyone jumps onboard the Cowher wagon.

 

Here's the thing with your thoughts though. I agree that it would be good to get someone that understands the NFL game, but I don't want someone who is going to think that there is only one way to do things in the NFL and is not willing to accept new, good ideas that come out of the college game. To me, that's what is attractive about Jon Gruden. He's pretty much a life long NFL guy, and he has embraced various ideas from the college game during his time off. What many people don't know about Jon Gruden is that early on, he only adopted the Bill Walsh offense because he felt that was the best way to advance his NFL career. He had actually considered being a run and shoot guy initially because that's what he was a part of when he coached with Walt Harris at Pacific. So, Jon Gruden has already shown that he is adaptable in that sense. I really believe this his studying of the college spread offenses shows that he is once again adapting what he believes. I really think that Jon Gruden will bring the spread offense with him when he gets his next job. I was thinking that he would be the first NFL head coach to adopt a spread offense philosophy as his base offense, but as alen1 pointed out to me a few days ago, Chan Gailey is already doing that. It would have been nice if we had hired Chan Gailey back in 2007 like I wanted.

 

I think Cowher is a smart enough guy to understand that the NFL dynamic has changed slightly since he's been out of the game. It's not as if he's J.D Salinger. He HAS been on the set of CBS' pregame show for the past few years. He's seen Tom Brady and Drew Brees put up ungodly numbers the past few years and be successful.

If this report is even semi-accurate, and I have no reason to believe it wouldn't be, then he already gets it. I think the QB situation would be the first thing he addresses.

 

KB, I agree with needing someone to adapt to the changing game of the NFL. I just don't want some hot shot college coach coming in and thinking his crap doesn't stink. Overall, I think we both agree on the type of coach we want. I'd take C Gailey back in a heartbeat.

CK, what's wrong with Phil Simms opinions?