Classic case of not all that talented if you ask me. Just my opinion.

 

yeah i really like the kid man, he knows how to play the game.

 

Maybe so, but you could say the same thing about most of our receivers. Maybe them not being that talented, maybe their still more talented than the young guys we have been carrying that haven't made an impact?

 

let them compete

 

He may not be the fastest guy around but he seems swift on his feet.

 

don't curb your enthusiaism.

 

We shall see how some of our new leadership evaluates WR's. I am in stand-by with some quiet confidence. I bet these WR's are the coaches choices. I think they know what they want.

 

Matthews was suffering from an injury at the time he ran 40. He is faster. I like Fuller, Matthews, Moye, and Cunningham. These four guys have the potential to do what is needed in the west coast offense. I want to see how Moore, Wallace, Hartline, Bess, and Gates respond to this new offense. But I like the size make up of these four rookies.

 

Thing is, Wr with measurables are a dime o dozen, that imo is the difference between Cunningham and Matthews, BJC may not have the measurables of Matthews but his Wr skills imo are far better.

Cunningham's problem really is small hands, I know that sounds a bit off however in my experience that is a difficult hurdle for a player to overcome.

 

Just keep throwin WR's against the wall, and hope like heck one of hem sticks. Honestly the guy I look to step it up this season is Gates. Then we can seriously threaten downfield, which opens up the shorter, crossing routes because the safety has to respect Gates' speed, if he shows he can catch the ball.

 

Not so talented, but very skilled. Reminds me of Jimmy Cefalo.

 

I dont know Cunningham was productive but will he be able to separate from NFL defenders? I am not sure. I think Gates and Wallace are our best bets to have hhope for.

 

I like the young guys (Moye is my favorite), but I see them as future contributors if any of them make it. I think Gates and the Rookie Te Egnew will have the biggest impact in our new system. Just a gut feeling.

 

Which reception did you think he showed flashes on

 

I sincerely hope Cunningham find a way to shut up the critics. I can not remember a more panned pick in recent years, oops, wait, a rb from Kansas st. last year. Let him practice, play in games and see if he makes roster. He is a 6th round draft pick. The reason for the panic is that Ireland didn't draft a wr earlier. Matthews actually has a 3rd to 5th round grade on a lot of scouting services. And Fuller is like a bonus draft pick. This wr thing is really about continued jabbing at Ireland. Critics are actually attacking Ireland after the draft for taking Miller.

 

Gates showed the ability to get open, but our sieve of a line, especially at the beginning of the season, didn't let his getting open result in completions. Any confidence in Gates comes from that and from the projected offense. An offense that uses the deep out as it's bread and butter thrives on speed out there. If Gate's speed makes those DBs turn their hips then the out is unstoppable if the QB is given time. (Obviously, a WR could use route running without as much speed to get the same effect, but the point is that Gate's speed could be very effective there).

 

I don't really think he's been panned all that much. The decision to not draft a WR until later has certainly been criticized, but I don't see most people saying BJ is a horrible pick. The most common criticism seems to be that people are more impressed with the WR (Matthews) we took after him. That could be taken as criticism of BJ or praise for Matthews. I've only seen one post saying that BJ's not talented. Most posts I've seen just seem to point to other WRs that were the poster's favorite. Personally, I see BJ as having good body control and decent hands and size. I question his ability to get separation in any way other than using the push off. I see that as analogous to having just one pass rush move. If that's all you have then you better do it very well or it will get shut down. I saw him as good value where he was drafted and I would say that his odds of being the 5th WR are decent. I'm among those that was more impressed with Matthews. I see him as being able to get separation in more ways (push-off speed, route running). Basically, I would say Matthews is a more talented and more savvy WR. I would say Matthews is worthy of a 3rd - 4th round grade. I agree that the complaining is more about Ireland than it is about BJ.

 

I have read a number of services that have rated Cunningham as an undrafted free agent. I like Matthews. He dropped due to speed concerns when he was hurt at the time he ran the 40. He has speed. And you haven't been reading CK's threads on Cunningham have you?

 

I haven't seen CK's opinion on BJ other than one post where he said that BJ wasn't talented, which is the one I mentioned above. I respect CK's opinion, but I would still count that as one opinion. I haven't seen many saying that BJ was a bad pick or that he wasn't talented. IMO the consensus is that BJ is a big guy that has been productive and has a chance to make the roster. That seems like a reasonable expectation for a late round WR that wasn't rated really highly at any point. I just don't see that as BJ being widely criticized. At most, I would say that some people saw WR as a big need and that BJ is unlikely to be the guy who solved that need. I had WR as a lesser need than most or at least I saw the need differently. IMO our need at WR was not for that #1 type, but rather to have several #2 types who can be productive. BJ wasn't my first choice (I preferred McNutt at that spot), but I think he has a chance to be one of those productive #2 types. I see that chance as decent for a 6th rounder, but not necessarily better than the chances for a guy like Moore being that 5th WR.

 

Dead on, the measurables can generate a lot of unjustified hype. I watched a handful of his college games and he was smooth in college. Looks to be a good route runner who uses his body well to sheild off defensers. I like him as a late round guy