Brandon Marshall's scouting report from 06:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2006/draft/players/2846.html
Patrick Turner's scouting report:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2009/draft/players/40932.html
Both are 6'4 and 220 pds +, with long arms and allegedly lack blazing speed, with 40's in the mid 4.5 range.
After watching Marshall play a bit, his style is different from Turner's at USC, mainly do to the way Marshall essentially jams the Cb perhaps Turner can learn from Brandon Marshall.
I'm thinking of TO in Dallas on Hard Knocks, he was schooling a young Wr on how to escape jams at the line and how to run proper unrounded off routes.
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I posted this thread and perused the scouting reports after C&Ping them from the CNN.Si website, and I had to double check that I'd not posted the same scouting report twice.
Marshall:
Turner:
The general description is the same, including the two years as a starter.
To me, the difference between the two, at least just looking at them, is Marshall is a gym rat, Turner came to the NFL under developed physically. -
Maybe Turner will watch Marshall and try to emulate him. If we see the comparisons Turner has to see them and the coaching staff has to see them. Maybe they can light a fire under Turner and he can also be a red zone threat.
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Well, a optimistic approach would say that we had given up 2 #2's for Marshall, but if he can rehab Pat Turner into a effective player we got a #3 pick back and producing.PhinsRock, ssmiami, Onehondo and 1 other person like this.
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I'm hoping to hear reports this TC that Turner has been hitting the gym hard this past year and has showed up bigger and stronger than last season. Until he takes care of that part, there's only so much for Marshall to work with when trying to help him.
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Right on, it sure wouldn't hurt.
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I sometimes have the thought that USC Defensive players were held to a higher physical standard than USC Offensive Skill players were as the USC to NFL defenders came into the NFL ready to play, the list of offensive players who underachieved is long and sad on the whole.
There are a few exceptions, but on the whole there are more USC skills players who have underperformed than defensive ones.jetssuck likes this. -
One can only hope he will.
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One and all...
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too late now but I would have loved to have seen Turner grab some game experience at WR last season to at least start the development process. That would have put him farther along at this point imo
the fact he didnt get on the field once in the offense was rather unsettling and shocking to me. dont have the numbers in front of me but I would think it is fairly rare for a rookie WR drafted in the 3rd round not to see the field at all except on a few special teams plays
anyways i hope Marshall can help him out because the coaches seemed to not be in ant hurry to jump start his career. I dont buy into the Turner is a bust talk ive heard and the similarities with Patrick and Brandon are there.
I think Turner still has chance to be something here and Marshall is a good act to follow.
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It certainly would help KillahP, especially if Brandon Marshall tweaks a hamstring, which can happen with cats that big.
P Turner would be the logical fillin, if of course he can show enough to make it unto the field. -
He could definitely take some pointers from Marshall about getting out of a jam. Marshall literally throws cornerbacks out of his way.
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Turner should have seen the field already imo. I am a firm believer that young WR's need to play to develop. Especially when they are taken that high.
Sparano touched on this very issue and said he messed up.
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Maybe, could be stroking a young player's ego, the timeline for the Marshall trade began at the owners meetings right around the same time Sparano was pumping Turner.
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It's a nice thought, but I'm guessing that Marshall probably has little interest in coaching other WRs.
I would also bet that same similar scouting report gets written about dozens of WRs every season.
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Did you happen to catch Hard Knocks in Dallas when TO was there?
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With Turner making some plays in the hitless portion of training camp, this should be a fun thread to bump.
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Let's see if anything changes since this was posted back in April.
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Its good to hear about Pat turner, Ive continued to back him during all the bad offseason stuff based on film, and the times ive seen him play live....I think a big problem for some of our guys is that there just wasn't a lot of mentoring going on here, especially during such a huge rebuilding effort....he had noone really to look up to...maybe that will change, now that Brandon is here.
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good post. i just think to many people are ready to write off rookies if they dont contribute right away. Ive been watching this game too long to do that. The last guy we had that was a top three round pick that I wanted to dump right away was John Beck and thats only because I didnt think he had any potential to be a starter. I even thought it was 50/50 for him to be a backup. The main thing to me is does the guy have potential his rookie year. Does he flash even if its only infrequently. Pat Turner had a few moments last preseason where he did flash. Then he disappeared as the season started. Year two for a player he needs to show improvement. For Turner that means separation. He must show the ability to beat the jam and get separation. If he does that he has a shot at getting into the mix. Personally, I dont really see a role for him since we got Marshall but maybe we'll have a running package where we could line up two receivers (Marshall, Turner) to help block in our running game, occasionally throwing out of it. He would have to show the ability to block if that were the case. He could also be used in the red zone obviously.
Right now I see Marshall and Hartline as stone locks to be on the roster. Bess is 95% certain, Camarillo is probably 75% certain. If we're only going to carry five receivers, I have to think the 5th receiver would have to have return skills which Turner simply hasn't got. I would like to see Turner improve but at the end of the day I think someone like RGM has a better chance of sticking with our team -
Well, Turner's problem at USC, or so I've read, is he had his bell rung and lost some fearlessness over the middle, the only way to see if he is over that is to see what he does in the preseason.
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I sure hope Sparano learned his lesson and gets Turner on the field this season. We really need Turner to give us that Marshall-like red zone target so opposing defenses won't know how to defend the two in the red zone. And I want that 3rd round pick to become what you expect from that high a pick.
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I'm just not sure there's room for him unless the lights really come on and he looks great in preseason.... his best shot might be if Cory Sheets takes the returner job and we don't need Turner's roster spot for a WR with return skills.
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Pat who? Seriously. Id forgotten about him. Hartline showed more promise last season and i know a few ppl wasnt too happy with his pick. Hartline has turned out alot better than Turner and he showed he can play. Turner is still on the cut list this pre-season as far as im concerned.
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As Sparano has said, he wants one of the Returner types to force him to make a tough decision and find room for them on the 53 man roster.
I like RGM, but would not cry if Sheets, Davis, whomever makes it as long as Sparano views Returns as an extension of the offense that has 150 plays a yr to make things happen.
As for Turner, many many phinfans have written him off, however if he pleasantly surprises, who can complain?
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bulk him up & play him @ TE
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Patrick Turner can learn from Marshall
however
Patrick Turner has to help Patrick Turner
muscle him up & play him @TE
we need a receiving TE on the team
don't see him winning a position
@ WR w/the Dolphins in 2010
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I'd doubt it 23, Turner is not physical enough, and Marshall lines up in the slot where a passcatching Wr/Te typically lines up, Turner is going to have to make it as a boundary Wr.
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its a conundrum of second round proportions
Friend padre31:
you're probably right
just looking for a creative way of cutting loses