Basically agree with all of that. Marshall has always had some drops so that shouldn't be a surprise. The disappointment was the lack of big plays, but I concur that the patterns and play calling were a big factor in that. IMO they were by far the biggest factor, above Henne's accuracy or anything Marshall did. And I also agree that he was worth the two 2s.

 

it's because defenses keyed on taking him away .... there was rarely a clear lane to throw to him, there was almost always an underneath, a cover, and a over the top -- they just bracketed him all year. Not a bad defense philosophy, since we were so uncreative, made throwing to him a challenge, and seriously limited any ability at YAC.

 

I sure hope that those people who agree he has a downside are not the same ones who say we need speed at Wr...

 

Marshall needs to play better. The difference between him and most of our team, however, is that i know he WILL play better. This guy cares more about these numbers than we do, he'll do whatever it takes to elevate his game.

 

There is a reason we have not signed a FA who has come to Miami and played BETTER than he did before, this is NOT a WR friendly system nor has it been in about 14 years.

Accumulating big #'s at WR takes more than just the WR himself, does BM need to improve in some areas? Yes. But lets be honest 2 1,000 WR's in how many years? No accident.

 

Wouldnt you want to review the INTs before you say the number is too high?

There was one vs NE where Marshall stopped on a crossing route while Henne expected him to continue. Pick. Earlier in the game, Henne forced a dig route off a play action, not seeing Ninkovich buzzing underneath. The one in Green Bay Marshall slips coming out of his out cut and the ball is thrown too far inside. Tramon Williams picks it. The one in Baltimore, Henne forces a quick slant, Marshall makes a token attempt to catch it, deflecting it right to Ed Reed. One vs Tennessee, Marshall was open on the deep post, but Henne threw the ball up the field instead of across the field, Finnegan snagged it. Another one vs NE where Marshall created a window to the inside, Henne threw outside, pick.

Cant remember the 7th one off the top of my head, but out of the 6 I listed, most were at least partially, if not totally, Henne's fault.

 

T.O. is notoriously bad in terms of preventing INTs, if you throw it to him while he's covered he just kinda sits there usually. I'd have to see the individual plays, but I'm guessing T.O. didn't help much.

On the Chung pick, that's exactly what I saw as well. Ninko's second pick in the Pats game was on a check down to either Polite or Cobbs.

CK made a good point the other day. He said that opposing teams were constantly crowding our WRs and TE's and that any time a mistake was made, a bad throw, late throw etc, they were always in position to take advantage. IIRC 20 of a possible 27 INTs were converted against us last year, an astoundingly high number.

 

I can't believe this is being talked about now. I was *****ing about Marshall and his lack of TD production all season. Piss poor YAC avg too. A lonely 2.8 yds. I could turn around and fall down and do that.
Marshall is supposed to be a top 5 WR in this league yet he didn't make a big play worth talking about. I didn't expect him to be the savior nor did I expect him to be exposed for the fraud that he is. The guy didn't give the effort that we deserved considering the comp. Now I see all the blame being put on Henne. LOL. Henne can only go as far as putting the ball in his hands he can't catch it for him. Some here have a crystal ball to see him breaking out in the future. BM needs to get over himself and stop playing with a me attitude. The guy plays mad at the world and gets into his own head. I would expect him to keep his focus and make some plays. That is what top notch WR's should do instead of being cute and tossing the ball out of bounds to be funny. I still don't understand why Marshall gets a pass for all the drops. Who cares if he did that in the past. Grow up and catch the fuggin' ball. :up:
I'll stick to my guns on the guy. The hype and the player are a god damn lie until proven otherwise.

 

If that's the case then he should have lived up to your expectations entirely, cause thats the exact season he had. Wasn't our savior, but wasn't our downfall either.

This was probably Marshalls worst season and he still put out the best performance this franchise has had at WR since 2005. Knowing that, things can and probably will only get better for us and Marshall as far as production. Whether that makes us a better team has yet to be seen, but really, we know this guy can score tds. This will change.

 

Well they sure as **** weren't afraid of our running game.

 

I agree he was mediocre. Trust me we wouldn't be talking about this if he lived up to the expectations.
To me it is all about catching the football, breaking tackles and making plays. That is what BM is built to do. It didn't happen. Sure the rec numbers and the yard totals were important but not nearly as important as the TD production. Marshall can catch balls all over the field we know and he sure can kill a drive with a big drop on 3rd down.
I'm not settling on this player because of his name.
He has to focus, step up and prove it.

 

I really saw two downsides to Brandon Mashall this year. First was he dropped a number of passes. Second was Henning's offense.

 

IMO the second one was much more damaging.

 

He had over 1,000 yards while missing time, and caught around 65% of his passes. That's not in any sense bad, or mediocre. Talking about touchdowns as if they are a measure of production is fantasy football ridiculousness. Touchdowns are a function of how a player is used as much as it is anything. When you have a quarterback who has difficulty reading and challenging certain coverages, especially involving the safeties and you're in a shortened field...uhh...well... What exactly do you think is going to happen?

Marshall is the kind of wide receiver you can force the ball to when you really shouldn't, and that's a big part of the drops problem. You can't jam him and throw his timing off, and he's big and physical enough that be can frequently out-muscle or jump or use his body position to come down with it regardless. Henne tried forcing the ball at times to Marshall when he really had no business doing it.

And what system is that?