Bret Bielema Says Talks To Coach Phins Broke Down In 2012 Because Of Russell Wilson

I was told (was it you?) that a <12.5psi ball helps the team recover the football better after a fumble. So maybe he is using a less inflated ball.

 

Those rushing yards help my fantasy team too vs passing yards (10 yards for a point!). More rushing and passing TDs next year please!

Funny enough, Russell is my starter, Tanny I picked up on waivers at the end of the year in case he turns it up higher next year. Might scoop up Bridgewater too just in case he becomes a monster (he was pretty good the last 6 games)

EDIT: Shoot I might go pick him up right now lol

 

That doesn't sound egregious. Tanny fumbled 9 times, only lost 2.

 

Did he really fumble 9 times this year? It really seemed like he cleaned that up this year.

 

During the three years of Russell Wilson's career, when he has a QB rating below average in a game, the Seahawks are 8-7. The success they've been accustomed to during Wilson's tenure has been largely dependent on Wilson, as well. He needs to play average or above for them to be the team they are today. It's not like their team can surmount below average performances by Wilson to the tune of being a dominant team in the league nonetheless.

 

The math indicates he was dead on. Would you like to borrow a calculator?

If not here's a cliff notes version. *****ing about what the mod said you after you complained about someone else and didn't get the response you wanted is something no one really gives a damn about. It makes you sound like a baby.

No one forces you to be here. If your experience was bad then move on. If not then stop acting like it was because your a bit red assed about it.

Things happen all the time that I don't like. Guess what no one gives a **** as they are usually too busy worrying about their own problems to care about yours.

Or even more basic take it up with that person, this is not the forum for that stuff.

 

I dont have the numbers in front of me, and if you do, what was the dolphins record when Tanny's qb rating was below average? Just curious. But i would be willing to bet that the win/loss difference in this circumstance woyld be much larger than the seahawks.

 

Tannehill is in no way, shape, or form as good as Wilson. You'd have to be a Fins homer to think otherwise, and I see the usual suspects in here.

 

I think the point many are trying to make is that wilson isnt a significantly better qb than Tanny, and if Tanny played on a team with better talent and coaching (like the seahawks) he would have post season appearances, and potentially wins, on his resume. Thats what i believe, at least.

 

nice disclosing information that is told to you in private buddy..lol

I know I'm on ignore so no'one quote me..lol..

dude needs the ole man river ban....as in lifer..this site has to much class to deal with this...jmo.

 

there is a gif out there showing the illegal helmet to hemet hit on wilson from clay matthews...this was a very violent collision, seriously, I'm not sure how he continued playing.

I think one of the toughest qbs in football is ryan tannehill, there is no question this dude does not let pain or violent contact affect him, I saw a clip the other day where he came to the sideline after a hit and spit his chipped tooth into his hand, went right back out..

 

I just can't wait for free agency, the combine, and the draft.

 

You keep pretending like I've said Wilson isn't a good QB. I have said the exact opposite. Again, he's a terrific talent, one of the best young QBs in the league.

All I've said is that he has weaknesses in his game. Most of which are masked by his coaches and teammates. The NFCCG was an example. If we can dissect RT objectively then we can do the same with any QB, even the best QBs have their flaws. You constantly take offense to any criticism of RW as if he's beyond reproach, the tape says different. I've praised RW all thru this thread and many others, but I'm not blind to his faults and I don't mistake team success with individual greatness.

I hope someday we can have a rational discussion on this.

 

Wilson has played lights out better than Tannehill through 3 years. I don't see how anyone can get around that. He's had a lot more help, which is why the team has had so much success. But individually, he's played better as well. You can't even use Oline as a crutch because Seattle's oline last year was wrecked. Who knows where their careers will be in 10 years but today, Wilson has been great.

 

Not sure thats giving credit where credit is due, wheres the criticism for the evaluators who slept on him?, why aren't you criticizing them for not seeing this great talent as you say?

I guess the main disagreement comes from this idea that wilson would be this different player if playing elsewhere..I just really disagree with that theory especially considering the playmaking aspect to his game.

 

He might not have won a superbowl and got to another without that team, but an individual's performance is an individual's performance. If Adrian Peterson played on this team instead of Minnesota perhaps he has a ring by now. But that doesn't mean AP isn't an all time great. Separate the individual performance vs. the team accomplishment here.

 

Of these I would say the yards per attempt is the most significant...6.9 is pretty middling

 

That could be said about any QB in the league who plays at the average level. The Seahawks have not only postseason appearances, however, but a Super Bowl blowout win, and perhaps a consecutive Super Bowl win later today, and that level of accomplishment has a lot to do with not only the talent surrounding Wilson, but Wilson himself. Teams don't function at that level in this day and age without superior quarterback play.

 

And that's where the conversation ends, because the people you're talking to about this issue have chosen an unfalsifiable and irrefutable position. How Russell Wilson would play elsewhere is a complete unknown and hypothetical. How can anyone say he would or wouldn't play in some way elsewhere, with any certainty? One can certainly have an opinion, and then great, he has an opinion that can be neither confirmed nor refuted. Big deal.

Let me know when you've taken a position that isn't the equivalent of "religion" -- as in based on the irrefutable unknown. When we can talk about real data and information, then we can really talk and perhaps learn something. When we're talking about the unknown, then it stops at the level of personal opinion and "faith."

 

Based on the fact he is the reason that Auburn won a national championship. He deserved to make more at Auburn than he does with the Panthers.

It is absurd that college football players at the big time schools get only a small stipend and a scholarship to play for the university, while the school makes millions of dollars a year off the sport. Especially when the head football coach at the university makes millions of dollars a year off the backs of these players.

I have absolutely no problem with players at these top football factories getting paid large sums of money. Whether it is by the university or by the rich supporters of the university.

The players at these universities need to form a union and demand appropriate compensation for the financial windfall they provide to their university each year by participating in the sport of college football.

In fact the NFL should help fund these payments because college football is no more than a farm system for the NFL.

 

This thread could be epic after the Bowl.

 

Tannehill's YPA ranked 21st of the 25 QBs in the league who had at least 350 pass attempts in 2014.

 

Should we start paying college players to play basketball, baseball, hockey, lacrosse, volleyball, swimming, & track and field as well?

 

Yeah, proportional to the profits they generate.

 

Do the lesser sports really generate enough revenue to pay the players? What about smaller, "poorer" schools?

 

I would pick up Bridgewater. I graded him as a top echelon quarterback.

 

I think they should pay any athletes who play a sport which generates a profit for the university. That would probably be only the football and basketball teams at most universities and perhaps the hockey teams at a few colleges up north.

I really don't follow the other college sports and I don't see why universities give scholarships to individuals who play a sport which generates no positive financial benefit to the school.

If a sport can't pay for itself at the college level, it should not rely on the the revenue producing sports to support it, IMO.

 

I like tannehill a lot.

I am not the biggest wilson fan.

But there is zero debate on if wilson has had a better career thus far. He has, and he also had a better year this year as well.

Tanny is close.....but not yet.

That is my talent evaluation.

You want a statistical evaluation...here it is:

It is a total Russ Wilson beatdown. Tanny is not close.

 

Problem is, you pay athletes of one or two sports, all the other athletes of other sports will want to be paid as well, regardless whether or not their sport generates revenue. Then the universities will cry poor and raise tuition even more for everyone else and cut funding for all the other lesser sports. You pay the lacrosse players, for example, all the money they'll make will go to purchasing their own uniforms and equipment, travel expenses, ect. Paying college football/basketball players sounds like the right thing on principal, but could be disasterous for everyone else. Players will go where the rich universities are. Smaller schools will lose out even more on prospects than they already do. Public universities will lose out on revenue and cut spending everywhere else. Should college players get agents too? There's just a lot to consider.

 

You should get an equally divided % of the revenue your respectful sport generates. So if your universities rowing team loses money?? O'well.

 

Stay tuned!

 

Sh&^, I can't remember, but matt moore looked at him like he was crazy,he was joking around,, also anther shot where he got absolutely blindsided, and I mean a vicious hit, and he popped up and said'' that'll wake you up''

hes sick I think he likes punishment.
the wilson hit was on even another level, it looked like a concussion shot to me, and wouldn't be surprised if it had to do with some poor play.

 

I believe football and basketball players should be paid simply because most of the universities at the bigger schools are more concerned with the revenue these athletes can generate for the university by playing a sport than they are about the quality of the educations these players receive while they are in school.

That is why the football and basketball coaches are the highest paid employees at major universities.

If universities can't afford to support the minor sports based on the revenue these minor sports generate for the university, drop those sports.

Personally I feel that the NFL and the NBA should have farm systems just like MLB does. The better players coming out of high school who have no interest in going to college but want to try and become a professional in one of these sports could prepare for their future career by playing the game at a professional level from day one. Just as MLB players do when they play in the minor leagues.

If the NBA and the NFL are going to use the universities as their farm systems as they do now. These leagues should also be required to assist in paying the players the universities are developing for their league.

As far as whether they should have an agent or not. I believe these major university sports should be represented by a union and as long as the union and the universities can come to an agreement on what should be fair compensation for these players, I don't see the need for agents under that scenario.

If if on the other hand universities don't want to allow unions to represents the players. I see no problem with players hiring agents to represent them in determining fair compensation for the each player in accordance with that players value to the team.

 

No, they don't. So those players shouldn't be paid. This is basic economics.

 

Was it the Jests game where Wake got flagged for leading w/ the crown of his helmet, decleated Geno, never got near his head. I think it was the very series that some Jet defender put the crown of his helmet into Tanny's earhole, his entire head rocked to the side, no ****ing flag.