Brian Daboll hired as OC, per Mort/ESPN

"GMJohnson wrote:

The number of whining bittchez on this forum has increased dramatically.

That is because the Dolphins fan base is full of uneducated crybabies who bash every single thing they do. Except of course they will support Brandon Marshall and his three TD's to the death. I hate player fans.

"Killerphins wrote:

That is because the Dolphins fan base is full of uneducated crybabies who bash every single thing they do. Except of course they will support Brandon Marshall and his three TD's to the death. I hate player fans.

Very uneducated. I'll bet dimes to dollars 90% of these people complaining haven't watched or studied Daboll in action, EVER. But it's a bad hire, b/c they say so. I swear, Dolphin fans have to be the WORST in the league.

This offseason is shaping up perfectly for us to be in position to draft Andrew Luck in 2012.

"GMJohnson wrote:

The number of whining bittchez on this forum has increased dramatically.

Exactly, do not mind intelligent negativity, the ad infitium is a bit much.

Wait what's this:

Davie-

The Miami Dolphins have announced the hiring of a new water boy, Larry Bouchette, nephew of College Legend Bobby, has been named as the new "H2O Coordinator".

Fan reaction was quick:

"THIS REGIME CANNOT DO ANYTHING RIGHT!!!"

"padre31 wrote:

Exactly, do not mind intelligent negativity, the ad infitium is a bit much.

Wait what's this:

Davie-

The Miami Dolphins have announced the hiring of a new water boy, Larry Bouchette, nephew of College Legend Bobby, has been named as the new "H2O Coordinator".

Fan reaction was quick:

"THIS REGIME CANNOT DO ANYTHING RIGHT!!!"

No fuggin' way. I'll never root for this team again. I'll have to go be a Jets fan. :lol:

There is nothing I see in his time as the OC with the Browns which leads me to believe Daboll is a good hire for the Dolphins. I think this hire says more about the lack of interest in the job by most of the top assistants in the NFL. It is very likely that most offensive coaches don't see Sparano and Ireland being here after next season so they had no interest in the job for just one year. Daboll could take the job because he was out of work with the Browns since Mangini was fired and he has nothing to lose. Perhaps Sparano had no choice but to hire Doball because no one else really wanted the job. Everything the Dolphins have done since the end of their season has only increased the chances that many season ticket holders will have no desire to purchase tickets next year. The Jets and Patriots are far ahead of the Dolphins in personnel. The Patriots have six picks in the first three rounds in the coming draft. The Dolphins have only two picks. So it appears that instead of getting closer to the talent of the Patriots. The Dolphins will probably fall farther behind the Patriots after the draft this year. The Dolphins are still several years and at least one coaching change from even being competetive with teams like the Patriots and Jets.

you have got to be ****ing kidding me

"padre31 wrote:

Exactly, do not mind intelligent negativity, the ad infitium is a bit much.

Wait what's this:

Davie-

The Miami Dolphins have announced the hiring of a new water boy, Larry Bouchette, nephew of College Legend Bobby, has been named as the new "H2O Coordinator".

Fan reaction was quick:

"THIS REGIME CANNOT DO ANYTHING RIGHT!!!"

Fair enough. But I don't see the positive in this hire. Daboll really is a Henning clone.

I mean, come on, let's be honest though. No matter who got hired to be OC this was going to be the general reaction from the overall masses of the board.

"PSG wrote:

Fair enough. But I don't see the positive in this hire. Daboll really is a Henning clone.

Could be, since he is from the Belicheck Tree with experience during the pats' 07 Monster Season, he knows how to get it done with a 3 Wr set, for all of the complaining about the Browns, their offense was pretty much Hillis and Watson with a Rook Qb, a washed up Vet Qb, or a career #2 Qb and Cribbs being banged up.

Every OC's performance is ultimately capped by the players he has to work with could be that is what he ran into in Cleveland, add in Holmgren basically ordered him to add WCO elements to his offense during the season and what happened is really no surprise.

"Trowa wrote:

I mean, come on, let's be honest though. No matter who got hired to be OC this was going to be the general reaction from the overall masses of the board.

I disagree. Had this team actually hired somebody more qualified than Brian Daboll the reaction wouldn't be as nearly as bad as it is. Then again, this is what happens when you have a lame duck coach in Captain Fistpump. Nobody worth a damn wants to work for him.

"Trowa wrote:

I mean, come on, let's be honest though. No matter who got hired to be OC this was going to be the general reaction from the overall masses of the board.

Pretty much, especially since Sparano avoided the Gallows, everything since then has been relentless negative.

In true Miami Dolfan fashion, inside some Dolphins fans I think there is a small Jets Fan Troll dying to post.

"schmolioot wrote:

We don't have a ton of talent either. He certainly didn't seem to elevate the Browns to play above their talent level.

This upcoming season just stinks of impending doom. Maybe a lockout is the best we can hope for

Except for the fact we need to be able to draft Luck. If there is no season, my guess is we would once again draft 15th, and Carolina would get the # 1 pick two years in a row.

"Trowa wrote:

This guy took Peyton Hillis, a 7th round pick who was the the 3rd best RB in his backfield in college and a wash out with the Broncos, and turned him into a super star behind a less talented offensive line than we currently have. Colt McCoy also looked like a competent QB running his offensive system. Give him a chance before you jump off a bridge.

Wait a minute, Josh McDaniels, The Boy Genius (who got fired less than 2 seasons into his gig) was who traded Hillis away. Hillis wasn't used properly in Denver (a lot like Brown not used here).

"GMJohnson wrote:

Very uneducated. I'll bet dimes to dollars 90% of these people complaining haven't watched or studied Daboll in action, EVER. But it's a bad hire, b/c they say so. I swear, Dolphin fans have to be the WORST in the league.

I actually dvr every BROWNS game as part of a football trash talk war with my uncle that is year round. So I can 100% this is a bad hire!

"flynryan151 wrote:

I actually dvr every BROWNS game as part of a football trash talk war with my uncle that for a in year round. So I can 100% this is a bad hire!

I agree. Horrible hire.

"padre31 wrote:

Could be, since he is from the Belicheck Tree with experience during the pats' 07 Monster Season, he knows how to get it done with a 3 Wr set, for all of the complaining about the Browns, their offense was pretty much Hillis and Watson with a Rook Qb, a washed up Vet Qb, or a career #2 Qb and Cribbs being banged up.

Every OC's performance is ultimately capped by the players he has to work with could be that is what he ran into in Cleveland, add in Holmgren basically ordered him to add WCO elements to his offense during the season and what happened is really no surprise.

You make a valid point. Of course he is coming to a Dolphin team that has a terrible offensive line and no running backs with any speed or explosion. If he is stuck with Henne as his QB. He will soon learn
why Henning retired. So while he may have ideas how to make the offense more productive. He will have no Brady, Moss, or Welker, to implement the type of offense the Patriots ran in 07. Until the Dolphins
give up on the Henne experiment and finally find and develop a real QB for the NFL. It won't matter who the next OC of the Dolphins is. If Henne ends up as the QB of the Dolphins again next year, they will be fortunate to finish ahead of the Buffalo Bills in the AFC East.

"flynryan151 wrote:

I actually dvr every BROWNS game as part of a football trash talk war with my uncle that for a in year round. So I can 100% this is a bad hire!

Ok, we're listening. Why is it a bad hire?

"GMJohnson wrote:

Very uneducated. I'll bet dimes to dollars 90% of these people complaining haven't watched or studied Daboll in action, EVER. But it's a bad hire, b/c they say so. I swear, Dolphin fans have to be the WORST in the league.

That's why i just gave in and paid for the Club Level. At least in there most of the people are smart enough to talk football.

"GMJohnson wrote:

Ok, we're listening. Why is it a bad hire?

Unless he was handcuffed by Mangina his offense is very similar to Hennings. Vanilla packages mostly ground and pound, mixed with a short to intermediate passing game. Oh they adopted the wildcat too. I can without a doubt say if all the players wore the same uniforms and Henning and Daboll were calling the plays you would struggle to guess which was which. Sadly this hire leads me to believe Sparano is not going to get outside his comfort zone and open things up.

"jw3102 wrote:

You make a valid point. Of course he is coming to a Dolphin team that has a terrible offensive line and no running backs with any speed or explosion. If he is stuck with Henne as his QB. He will soon learn
why Henning retired. So while he may have ideas how to make the offense more productive. He will have no Brady, Moss, or Welker, to implement the type of offense the Patriots ran in 07. Until the Dolphins
give up on the Henne experiment and finally find and develop a real QB for the NFL. It won't matter who the next OC of the Dolphins is. If Henne ends up as the QB of the Dolphins again next year, they will be fortunate to finish ahead of the Buffalo Bills in the AFC East.

Now here is the thing, the Offensive Roster..is going to change..new players will be brought into Miami as well.

For me, the hair on fire stuff is funny as people think the entire 2010 offensive unit is going to be kept together for 2011.

When Nolan arrived they used the entire draft on Defense (minus #3 pick JJ) they spent 20 million on Karlos Dansby and jettisoned veterans fans loved like Jason Taylor, there were huge changes, why wouldn't the same thing happen on the offensive side of the ball?

I haven't read all of the posts and if I repeat what's already been said, my apologies in advance, but...I'm scratching my head...not over the hire, but over the ire.

Now what I know of this guy is what I've read and from what I've read he was with the New England Patroits at the height of their reign as one of the elite teams in the NFL. He has one or two seasons as the OC for the Cleveland Browns, a team lacking in talent, a team lacking in leadership in Mangini and a team in shambles from the front office down. Daboll was doomed by virtue of circumstance. He had absolutely nothing to work with in Cleveland.

Now he'll come to Miami. A team with a QB tht needs mentorship and hopefully he can provide that mentorship. A team with an all star WR in Brandon Marshall. A team with an up and coming WR in Davone Bess...a team with TWO all star running backs in Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown. a team that does have a talented offensive line that was plagued by injuries last season, but should be healthy at the beginning fo the season.

Now I'm not saying he's going to come in and do great things, but what I am saying is based on his professional experience, the base is set for him to do just that. I hope he does...I really do. He wasn't first choice. I wanted John Ramsdell from San Diego, but this is what we have now.

Instead of already conceding next season, we should be looking at what he brings to the table and what we have that could make him, our offense and the Miami Dolphins a success in 2011.

"flynryan151 wrote:

Unless he was handcuffed by Mangina his offense is very similar to Hennings. Vanilla packages mostly ground and pound, mixed with a short to intermediate passing game. Oh they adopted the wildcat too. I can without a doubt say if all the players wore the same uniforms and Henning and Daboll were calling the plays you would struggle to guess which was which. Sadly this hire leads me to believe Sparano is not going to get outside his comfort zone and open things up.

I only saw Cleveland's game vs Miami, Carolina, NE, NY, and parts of a few others. IMO they're personnel was awful, especially at WR and QB, which can make it hard to be a vertical passing team. Like you pointed out, an OC has to work within the confines of his talent as well as the guidelines set for him by the OC. So IMO its not fair to say that Daboll is this or that solely based on what he did for Mangini. Gotta see the games before I know much of anything though. I'm dreading the thought of having to watch Cleveland's games, but it beats watching baseball so whatever.

"flynryan151 wrote:

Unless he was handcuffed by Mangina his offense is very similar to Hennings. Vanilla packages mostly ground and pound, mixed with a short to intermediate passing game. Oh they adopted the wildcat too. I can without a doubt say if all the players wore the same uniforms and Henning and Daboll were calling the plays you would struggle to guess which was which. Sadly this hire leads me to believe Sparano is not going to get outside his comfort zone and open things up.

You realize that the Patriots are built like that, right? Short passes, some tough running and a few trick plays here and there.

"MarinePhinFan wrote:

You realize that the Patriots are built like that, right? Short passes, some tough running and a few trick plays here and there.

If we implemented the Patriots offense I would be all for it, but that is going to require shotgun and spread. If memory serves me correct our only QB under contract doesn't like the shotgun.