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Brian Flores - HC

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    Just worried he doesn’t have commitments just my worry maybe he already does but he doesn’t have the job yet so coordinators don’t want to wait for something that may not happen!
     
  2. KeyFin

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    2-4 in the playoffs means that he made it to the playoffs AT LEAST 4 times. We've had 1 playoff appearance in the past 10 years.

    One more reminder of this little fact I bring up every season- only 1 team out of 32 wins the Super Bowl each year. That doesn't mean 31 other team suck....the overall odds of winning it all are less than 3.2%. The goal today, right now, is to make it to the playoffs in 2019 or 2020. That's it. Anything more is a bonus.

    Look at the LA Rams- 13-3 team with a convincing 1st round win. Should we say they suck because they lost in round two? Because that's the same argument you're making by saying a coach is 2-4 in the playoffs.
     
  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Not to be a jerk, just kidding, to be a jerk, 6 times.
     
  4. KeyFin

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    Well, he won twice....which means he was still in the playoffs until he lost. So maybe they won two games in a row and made it to the conference game, or maybe they won one and exited two different seasons. Either way, four losses means they were in the playoffs exactly four years no matter how hard you try to shake up the math.
     
  5. resnor

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    I've reassigned my like, based on Key's response. Hahaha
     
  6. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    LMAO!
     
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  7. hitman8

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    No, I like Rizzi because he is better qualified, is a better leader, has history with us, is the one most wanted and respected by the players and does have more relevant experience than Flores.

    Rizzi has been coaching since 1993, he has lead entire NFL unit (our special teams) since 2010, and he has been our assistant head coach the last two years. He also has HC experience outside the NFL.

    Flores on the other hand started out as a scout in 2004 and didn't didn't even actually start coaching until 2009, and he has never lead an entire unit. He is calling the defensive plays this year but he isn't even officially their def. Coordinator.

    Rizzi is more experienced and a proven leader.
     
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  8. Sceeto

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    I'm psyched about this move. I think there is going to be a good attitude change around the team and organization. It's going to be new and fresh. No reason to crap on it at this point. Go with it, get psyched. If it turns out to be s--t, then wow, big deal. We're used to it. Ha! The coaching tree thing is just stupid and irrelevant. Figure out why on your own.
     
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  9. danmarino

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    Better qualified and a proven leader? lol....Please do tell us about all the time you've spent with both guys. Does Rizzi like whiskey or vodka? Does Flores like his steaks rare or medium rare? Please inform us all about what real leadership entails. Tell us some of your war stories or football playing history being led by "proven leaders". lol

    No one knows if Rizzi could be a good HC. No one knows if Flores will be a good head coach. However, we do know that Rizzi has had exactly 1 interview to fill that position, wasn't offered the job, and that interview was most likely a courtesy. And we know that Flores is most likely the Dolphins new HC. But you just "know" things. Things that 32 other NFL teams don't. Hell, Rizzi should just get you to be his agent. haha

    However, the difference is choosing to be objective about the things that are knowable. Rather than being very subjective.

    I love Rizzi. And I think that he actually may one day be a good HC. That doesn't mean that Flores will be a bad HC. That's another not to do. Relating things that don't really have anything to do with each other.

    Flores has 15 years of NFL experience and he's 37. Prior to that he played for a Div I school, Boston College, for 5 years. He was hired by the Pats in 2004. By 2008 he was coaching. In 10 years he made it to DC all the while holding numerous other coaching positions in all three phases of the game. ST, offense, and defense. Now, I see that you think he's not the Pat's DC, well, he reality is. He calls all the defensive plays and holds all the responsibilities of a DC. Parcells did the same thing to BB. (Held out the "title") And BB does the same thing. Some say it's to keep them motivated, others say it's to try and keep them under the radar so as not to be poached. In reality it's probably a little of both. And in reality he most definitely is in charge of an entire unit.

    OTOH, Rizzi has 8 years experience in the NFL and he's 48. Rizzi played football for a Div I school, Rhode Island, for 4 years. Then from 1993-1997 he was DC for New Haven and a ST coach for Northeastern. In 1998 he became the HC for New Haven where he compiled a 15-14 record over 3 seasons. Then he was fired. Then he went to Rutgers as their special teams coach from 2002-2007. Then he was offered the HC job at Rhode Island, his alma mater, in 2008. They went 3-9 and he was fired. In 2009 he was out of football. In 2010 he was hired as the ST's coach for the Dolphins and that's where he's stayed.

    But, Rizzi is a "proven leader" and has more experience.
     
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  10. Surfs Up 99

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    IMO, one isn't mutually exclusive than the other. They both can be good coaches. Flores just might just be the better fit right now. No shame in that, right? It's the same stuff we all go through in our lives and at our workplace. It's all about the fit.
     
  11. hitman8

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    Have you spent time with either of them? How do you know one is a better leader than the other? I base my position on what numerous players have said both current and former and what I have seen from Rizzi in interviews, along with his track record of succesfully leading an entire unit for the last eight years with us. ST has been the only bright spot on this team for the last eight years and Rizzi is the one responsible for that. I agree Flores is the defacto DC in new England right now even though he hasn't been given that title, but he has only been DC for a year. Meaning he only has one year of experience leading an entire unit. Rizzi has 8 years of experience with us leading an entire unit. He also has two years of experience as assistant head coach and 5 years of HC experience in college. Flores has never been a head coach at any level and has only one year under his belt as DC. Rizzi has been coaching since 1993, Flores has only been coaching since 2008. Tell me again who has more relevant experience to be our head coach? Rizzi already knows all of our players and has the unwavering support of both young and old and current and former players.

    I haven't seen any players endorsing Flores like I have seen with Rizzi.

    We have been arguing over numerous subjects over the last two or three years Dan and you have been proven wrong in over 90% of those arguments. So no matter how smart you think you are, you're not.
     
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  12. resnor

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    I'd like to see the stats backing up that 90% claim. Seems pretty made up to me. These sorts of statements are very problematic, as they lead to straight up arguments, with no bearing on the actual topic.

    That being said, I don't see how Rizzi being a total failure as a head coach at college programs is a feather in his cap when you're taking about his experience.
     
  13. hitman8

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    The record of our arguments is there, just have to look up our prior posts.

    Rizzi has a winning record as a college head coach, and experience is experience. Unless he had an absolutely awful HC record I would say him having a winning record as a college head coach is better experience than having no head coaching experience at all which is the case with Flores.

    Rizzi also has 8 years of NFL experience leading an entire ST unit and consistently ranking among the best STs in the league. Flores has a grand total of only one year leading an entire unit in new england which owes much of it's success to the fact new England has a great offense and forces opposing offenses to play from behind most of the time making the defense's job easier.
     
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  14. danmarino

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    Have I spent time with them? lol You do realize that you're the one making these claims, right?

    If you haven't seen anything players have said about Flores it's because you haven't looked. Everything that has been said about Rizzi from his players has been said about Flores from his players.

    “I’m excited for where he’s at right now,” said safety Duron Harmon. “He’s worked to put himself in this position.”

    “Obviously, the football knowledge is 100 percent there,” Jordan Richard said. “But he has so many other qualities that you have to respect.”

    “Each guy he’s dealt with knows him personally,” said McCourty. “I know his wife, I know his kids, his parents, his brother. I’ve been able to have an awesome relationship with him and that ability to be able to relate to players - he’s kinda still fairly young - that gets the best out of us.”

    “He kinda comes to you and basically says we’re on even terms,” added Harmon. “We’re all trying to get there, we’re all trying to improve each day. It’s been awesome for me to see.”

    “I don’t know if it was because he played at BC, was a good player, was out there playing,” said McCourty. “I think that helps him because he knows when you play what you wanted to hear. We hear so much, there’s so much the coaches can tell you, and Bill says it all the time, about how many different things they give to us. But when you can break it down to two things or three things, that helps players to be able to play fast. And that’s always the goal.”

    “There’s a lot that we’re doing and in order to be a good coach it’s how do you present it in a way that allows your players to play fast,” said Richards, “Having him as my safeties coach and now seeing him as linebacker coach this past two years, he definitely exemplifies that.”

    https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/pa...ork-hasnt-gone-unnoticed-just-ask-his-players

    “It’s a little different,” Dont’a Hightower said. “Coach is definitely different. I think guys are learning a lot better, a lot easier. A lot of young guys are stepping up and able to pick up for some of the older guys. It definitely works in our favor.”

    Hightower noted new players and rookies have picked things up a little quicker than in year's past.

    “Maybe it’s just the way that he teaches it,” Hightower said. “The way that the guys kind of absorb it a little bit different. We meet a little different, talk about things a little different. It’s just small quirky things that you can’t necessarily put a finger on, but it’s obvious whenever you can kind of have first-year guys come in or even guys who maybe got signed that can pick things up. You can definitely tell there’s a difference somewhere along the line. It helps everybody else on the field when everybody knows what they’re doing. You can play faster and do different things. Whatever he’s doing is working.”

    https://weei.radio.com/blogs/ryan-h...yers-brian-flores-style-better-matt-patricias


    Rizzi failed in college. He's been a coach for 9 years in the NFL. However, Flores has been a coach in the NFL, with a team that's been to 6 Super Bowls and 10 playoff appearances, for 11 years.

    90% wrong....lol....You're delusional.
     
  15. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    18-23 is a winning record? Wow...you're so smart! haha

    The rest of your post is just as wrong, BTW. ;)
     
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  16. danmarino

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    According to FO's these are Miami's ST's rankings since 2010--(Since Rizzi took over as the coach)



    2010- 27th
    2011- 5th
    2012- 17th
    2013- 26th
    2014- 29th
    2015- 28th
    2016- 15th
    2017- 10th
    2018- 30th

    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst
     
  17. resnor

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    So can you just admit you made up the 90% stat, and be done with that ridiculousness? I mean, seriously, it's not hard.

    And really, I'm not sure being a ST coach is really that big of a deal.
     
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  18. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What's funny is that if Rizzi got the job I wouldn't be running around like Chicken Little. I'd give him a chance and concentrate on the positives. Same with draft picks...unless it's something dreadful I typically wait and see how the player actually performs before I make a decision. Regardless of whether or not I like the guy or preferred another player.

    Some people just aren't smart enough, or maybe it's just a lack of self confidence, to be objective.
     
  19. hitman8

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    I was just looking at his record at New Haven which is a winning record. Didn't see he had a losing season at Rhode island which dropped him below .500

    Even so, he still has way more actual coaching experience than Flores. Both as a Head Coach and overall.

    You always like to concentrate on technicalities, but as usual you will turn out to be wrong.

    We already had this argument about Vance Joseph a couple years before. You arguing about how he was a great coach and we were lucky to have him and how I was wrong to be happy to see him go.

    I said Denver was crazy to hire him as HC after just one bad season ad DC for us.

    How did that one turn out? How about our arguments over the Charles Harris pick? How you said it was a great pick and I didn't know what I was talking about saying he was the most overrated de in that draft? How did that one work out?

    We'v also argued about the wide 9, gase , and numerous other issues and time has proven me right on the grand majority of the issues we have argued about. I don't have time to go through all the old threads right now but the record is there.
     
  20. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Unless they won a Superbowl. Which obviously they didn't and couldn't have with two wins. Just saying.
     
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  21. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Gase has more HC experience than Rizzi. In the NFL to boot.

    Running a POS (No offense to the academic sides of the schools) football program poorly translates how to the NFL?

    Not saying he can't be a good coach, but what are his shining qualities exactly other than players like him? Which honestly I don't care about and can be a negative if you can't properly manage the relationship.

    As long as he isn't a hated monster...who cares really?
     
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  22. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm surprised that you didn't look at the full history of a guy you "love" and instead jumped right in...lol

    Also, Vance is a hell of a DC. He was hamstrung here with what he likes to do mainly due to Suh's contract. BB failed his first go around as a HC, too.

    The rest of your post is just dumb. If you don't understand the debate you really shouldn't get involved. I have never been wrong about Harris or Gase or the Wide-9. I've been objective and patient. That's what smart adults do. ;)

    Things I've said about Harris:

     
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  23. Pauly

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    Just to clarify. You need a minimum of 3 post season wins to win the SB, so with 2 post season wins it means 0 Super Bowls. Logically that means 4 trips to the post season. No more, no less.
     
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  24. Pauly

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    To paraphrase Machiavelli:
    It is best to be loved and feared, but if you cant’t be both it is better to be feared. However you must never be hated.
     
  25. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    When I became a SNCO in the Marines I had a plaque reading this same thing made and hung it up at my unit. lol
     
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    2025 is gonna be our year!!!!
     
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    Dan, face it man. You have been wrong about pretty much everything we have argued about over the last three years.

    You were pro Vance Joseph, said he was a great DC and Denver was lucky to get him. I said he was a bad DC and had never shown anything other than being a decent secondary coach, and Denver was crazy to make him their HC. A year and a half later I have been proven right. Vance was terrible in Denver and got fired.

    You were supportive of our promoting Burke to DC. I said as soon as they named him DC that it was a bad decision since his linebacking unit had been one of the worst performing units on the team and he had no DC experience. I wanted a proven and experienced DC. One year later I was right about that as well.

    You were happy that we signed Lawrence timmons said it was a great signing. I said it was a bad signing since he was expensive, was over the hill and would only give us one good year at most. We all know now I was right about that as well.

    You said the wide 9 was a good system and supported our using it. I said all along it is a flawed system which requires having multiple stud linebackers Wich we've never had in order to work. Three years later and the wide nine has been a complete disaster. I was right your we're wrong again.

    When we drafted Charles Harris I was livid. Said he was the most overrated de un the draft and would be nothing more than a journeyman DE in the NFL at best. You said it was a great pick and I was crazy. Two years later and I have been proven right.

    We have argued numerous times over gase, you saying he is a good coach and knows what he is doing, and me saying he is a bad coach who doesn't know how to handle players and is terrible at calling plays. Three years later I was right you were wrong.

    There is not one argument that we have had where time has proven me wrong and you right. There were numerous other issues as well. Being "objective" does not mean acting like every decision is okay and not criticizing it until it's too late which is what you do.

    I don't have time to dig up all your old posts right now but it's all there for anyone who wants to look. Maybe during the weekend I will dig them up.
     
  29. danmarino

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    Wrong...

    Hell, even your first sentence is wrong. 3 years? You've been here just over 2 years. lol...

    Delusional...

    Although, I think the problem is that you don't understand objectivity and you think "Hey, I like the player. Let's see how he pans out." means a person is saying that player is awesome or whatever else you think in that deluded skull of yours.

    Yes, I thought Timmons was a good pick up for this team. No one knew he was going to lose his mind.

    However, this was one of my first posts about Timmons: "Timmons is an upgrade. Jones is a huge cog in stopping the run. If Timmons can play as well as he did last season this defense, as it stands right now, is better overall."

    And he was an upgrade over what they had the season prior. At least until the defense started suffering injuries and he was played out of position. Plus, he lost his mind.

    Again, you don't understand the post. You take that as me saying he's "a great signing". That or you're lying.


    This was my very first post about Harris:

    "He's definitely a work in progress when it comes to the run. However, he will be a starter on day one on 2nd-3rd and long situations.

    Wake and Harris meet Brady in the middle....Oh please...oh please...oh please...haha"

    Yeah, that's me saying I "loved" the pick.

    More on Harris from me:

    "I agree 100%. The kid has the skill and ability to be good against the run. However, it seems the Dolphins fell in love with his love for the game and his preparation and determination. You can't teach those two things. And considering that Harris is relatively young (21 years old but turns 22 at some point this year. I couldn't find his birth month) he's really mature in that respect.

    I would have rather had Peppers, but Harris fills a big hole"

    Another:

    "I never suggested that it showed "good" anything. However, the tape shows a guy who is fantastic at rushing the QB and at times, very good against the run, and at times not very good against the run."

    Another:

    "For all the negative, I saw some really good run play too."

    Another:

    "As I've been saying, he defeintly needs work in that department, but this tape shows that he's able to play the run very well and needs a little coaching up. It's not that he CAN'T it's that so far he hasn't. Big difference..."
    .


    Although...here's something I found through my searching. You wrote this: "Yeah Godchaux is terrible to watch does absolutely nothing particularly well."


    hahaha...Grow up, son.
     
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  30. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'll let Disgustipates reply to you speak for itself in regards to the Wide-9:

    hitman8 said:
    "Correct, and it is stupid. It leaves your c gap too wide open and vulnerable which forces undersized linebackers and safeties to compensate. It is a stupid defense to run consistently. It's exactly why he have been getting killed by runs off guard into the c gap pretty much all season."



    Disgustipate said:

    "I don't think you get to call it stupid when you clearly don't understand it.

    Again, as for your basic premise- it's very clearly had success. It's not a difficult thing to look up

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/SchwJi0.htm

    And again, it doesn't really address that lining up wider alignments on base downs isn't a new or novel thing- it was pretty common during the Tampa-2 boom of the 2000's. What'd you think the Colts did with Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis?"


    hahahahahhaha
     
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  31. hitman8

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    Godchaux is the only instance where I have been proven wrong, and I already admitted to that before. I only watched one college game tape which is what was available of him when he got drafted and it wasn't very impressive.
     
  32. RGF

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    To rebuild ??
     
  33. Dorfdad

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    What if he pulls a nahhh I’m staying another year in New England type of Josh McDaniel kind of thing wouldn’t that be so “Dolphins”. I mean we’re clearly all speculating because he can’t sign which is a crock of **** than don’t let any teams sign coaches till the seasons over. You can hire and interim coach if you fire yours mid season but make everyone start at the same time. Some new teams already have a month head start
     
  34. Pauly

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    I’m not that worried.
    Firstly there are still 7 other co-ordinators out there in the playoffs, at least one of whom would make a good HC.
    Next, starting early means poaching from the coaching staffs of teams that missed the playoffs - me I’d rather raid the coaching staffs of the teams that did make it deep into the playoffs, especially teams that make the playoffs regularly.
    Also, I’d rather fill coaching vacancies by cattle call rather than going to the Facebook friends of the current HC.
    Finally, a good HC can coach up his coaches, not just the players. In fact I’d prefer a HC who feels confident in his ability to bring new coaches into his vision and way of doing things than one who feels the need to rely on pre-proven products.
     
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  35. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I mean, do you think the Colts are crying about it after going to the playoffs?
     
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    I love my missus and I also fear her. Sometimes, I think I fear her more than I love her. I don't hate her though.

    That must be why the old battleaxe is the boss in our household.... :couch: :laughy:
     
  37. Surfs Up 99

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    LOL! Dude, are you from Ireland? If so, where?
     
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    No mate. The badlands of Yorkshire.
     
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